This Season's NHLers by State w/statistics

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This Season's NHLers by State w/statistics

Post by Mitch Hawker » Thu Mar 13, 2003 4:08 pm

Does anyone else find it odd that we need to look so far down this list to find players from Minnesota (Note: I wouldn't count Hull as a Minnesota product...but I would count Blake, as he moved across the river from ND to MN when he was 12).<br><br>I pulled the following from USA Hockey's website.<br><br>2002-03 Regular Season Statistics <br> <br>U.S. NHL Regular Season Statistics<br>(through Games of March 11, 2003)<br><br>PLAYER TEAM<br> STATE<br> GP G A PTS PIM +/- <br>Mike Modano DAL Mich. 67 27 46 73 30 32 <br>Brett Hull DET Minn. 69 29 33 62 20 8 <br>Doug Weight STL Mich. 57 12 46 58 38 0 <br>Brian Rolston BOS Mich. 69 26 28 54 30 0 <br>Todd Marchant EDM N.Y. 70 17 37 54 46 9 <br>Keith Tkachuk STL Mass. 52 29 22 51 133 3 <br>Bill Guerin DAL Mass. 64 25 25 50 113 5 <br>Kip Miller WSH Mich. 65 12 37 49 16 2 <br>Jason Blake NYI N.D. 69 22 27 49 48 20 <br>David Legwand NSH Mich. 64 17 31 48 34 -2 <br>Craig Conroy CAL N.Y. 66 17 31 48 30 -6 <br>Chris Drury CAL Conn. 68 21 26 47 29 -9 <br>Mike York EDM Mich. 62 21 26 47 8 -6 <br>Jamie Langenbrunner NJ Minn. 64 19 28 47 43 18 <br>Tom Poti NYR Mass. 69 10 35 45 58 -1 <br>Mike Knuble BOS Mich. 63 21 24 45 43 10 <br>Jeremy Roenick PHI Mass. 66 22 22 44 69 10 <br>Mathieu Schneider DET N.J. 65 14 29 43 57 0 <br>Mark Parrish NYI Minn. 68 21 20 41 26 -9 <br><br>TOTAL 2002-2003 NHLers (according to USA Hockey's list)<br>Mass.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 27<br>Minn.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 23<br>N.Y.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 16<br>Mich.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 15<br>Conn.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 5<br>Ill.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 4<br>N.J.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 4<br>Cal.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3<br>Ind.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3<br>Ohio&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3<br>R.I.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3<br>Alaska&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2<br>Mo.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2<br>N.D.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2<br>Va.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2<br>D.C.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>Del.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>Fla.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>Md.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>Mont.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>N.H.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>Utah&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>Vt.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br>Wash.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1<br><br>Minnesota produces quite a few NHLers, but we seem to be lagging MA and especially MI when it comes to NHL superstars.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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123 out of some 800? by SS..

Post by slapshooter » Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:45 pm

Mitch,<br><br>What is that? About 123 Americans out of 800 or so <br><br>positions to fill in the NHL? How long did it take to <br><br>get even that many in the NHL, 30 plus years? Is this <br><br>list based on the colleges that these players attended <br><br>in regards to where these players might be from? What <br><br>country has the highest percentage of NHLers currently <br><br>playing on a team? Definately something to consider <br><br>for all the folks who are spending all that they have <br><br>to get their kid some kind of a shot to play in <br><br>the 'Big League'. Better stay in school as long as you <br><br>can kids. The end of one's career is just a concussion <br><br>or broken bone away. How many from each years <br><br>graduating class of division one players find a home <br><br>in the NHL? This is an interesting topic Mitch and I'm <br><br>not saying that I know the answers to some of these <br><br>questions but I would be interested in hearing from <br><br>those of you who might.<br><br>L<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> E, SL<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> PSH<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> TER.<br><br>(...a legend in his <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> wn mind...) <p></p><i></i>

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parrish

Post by josh petterson » Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:51 pm

didn't parrish play on the 1993 jefferson team considered by many as the best highschool team ever? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: parrish

Post by petey1321 » Fri Mar 14, 2003 12:33 am

Nope; he sat on the bench. He was on the tournament team but was a JV guy that year. That should tell you something about that team. In fact, that pretty much sums up that team: Mark Parrish was a 4th liner. <p></p><i></i>

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Parrish

Post by scheids316 » Fri Mar 14, 2003 12:42 am

Yeah he played on that team, along with Crowley and Checco. That's an impressive threesome right there, let alone the rest of the stars on that team. <br>And Slaphappy, for crying out loud. Yes the statistics are staggering. Most kids already know that their chances of making it to the NHL are slim to none. But, how about a few words of encouragement for these kids instead of your negative views. Is it so hard to stand up and say, "Hey kid, you've got some real skills, keep working hard and you never know what may happen." Not from you though, you'd rather tell them to stay in school cuz chances are they are going to break a bone and then their career is over. I'm all for staying in school, and being involved in sports while doing so. <br>For someone who claims to know so much, your views are pretty messed up. I guess I expect nothing less from an old man who likes to pick fights on here with people half his age. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Parrish

Post by petey1321 » Fri Mar 14, 2003 12:46 am

Let's not go through this feud again, eh? No, the odds of making the NHL aren't good, and yes, that is a very good advertisement for getting your degree. I think we're all in agreement there, and I don't see much reason to fight about it.<br><br>And like I said, he was technically "on" the team, but Parrish didn't do much but watch as far at the 93 team goes because that team was so ridiculously deep. <p></p><i></i>

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scheids316's 'expectations' ........by SS..

Post by slapshooter » Fri Mar 14, 2003 3:40 am

Hey scheids, <br><br>You shouldn't go around 'expecting' anything from anyone <br><br>and you could still turn out all right! <br><br>Why don't you give Zach P's ( Fighting Sioux) old man over at Shattuck a call and see if he disagrees with my assessment of the prospects of an NHL career that leapfrogs a good education for his own son, or anyone else for that matter. <br><br>I guess reality equals negativity to you, but to me it reveals the true challenge that lies ahead for any 'REAL' future NHL prospect. <br><br>Hey, but what the hell do us "old guys" know anyway? <br><br>You just go right ahead there sheids and try and answer some of my questions thereby possibly giving some 'real help' to some of these players you claim to be so supportive of. <br><br>An educated player is going to have a much better shot at creating a successful NHL career than one who is not. <br><br>Why don't you contact Bobby Orr and see what he has to say about that? <br><br>'Pipe Dreams' are for fools and a player needs all the tools he can get if he's going to make it anywhere in this world, let alone the NHL. <br><br>If a player doesn't have his business head on straight he's gonna get screwed and that's about all there is too it. <br><br>And I don't pick fights. I just win 'em! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Have a nice off season. You've just reminded me of why I've got better things to do, than to hang around explaining the obvious to geniuses like you.<br><br>L<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> E, SL<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> PSH<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> TER.<br><br>(...a legend in his <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> wn mind...) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... shooter</A> at: 3/14/03 12:47:49 pm<br></i>

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Anywho

Post by scheids316 » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:13 am

You make valid points slappy. You really do. Sometimes. I never questioned the need for an athlete to go on to college, and in fact i think its the best route there is. Obviously you feel the same. Did you ever stop to think that its how you go about saying things that make you come off as a person with a bad attitude? I give you credit though, so far you've kept pretty quiet about your Catholic team's early exit at the Tourney this year. I wonder why that is?<br>There are players that go all the way through college onto successful NHL careers. There are players that go to juniors, or other leagues and go onto successful NHL careers (i'll ask Orr about your question. You ask the Great One which school he graduated from.) But I essentially agree that education is most important. <br>You just presented to everyone that their career is most likely going to end with an injury or whatever. To me this negative view is not what an up and coming player needs. <br>As for you not picking fights, you and I both know that is complete Bull****. I seem to remember you making cheap shots towards my girlfriend last year. That's about as low as you can go my friend, and for that you will remain a sad, sad man in my eyes. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: 123 out of some 800? by SS..

Post by Mitch Hawker » Fri Mar 14, 2003 3:31 pm

Slappy,<br><br>I believe that the list is by birthplace. The exception to this may be Brett Hull, who I believe USA Hockey stuck on their list because he plays for USA internationally (although he was born in Belleville, ON). <br><br>The most interesting point of the list to me is that Michigan has produced so many more current NHL superstars than Minnesota, even though Minnesota continues to produce twice as many NCAA Division 1 players as Michigan.<br><br>The MN Pyramid:<br><br>Players:<br>MN HS Varsity ~3100<br>NCAA D1 (from MN) ~220<br>NHL (from MN) ~23<br><br>So, it appears that the average is probably about two Minnesotans that make it to the NHL per birth year and maybe only one Minnesotan per birth year that have a lengthy NHL career.<br><br>"These stats brought to you by the college board." <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... wker>Mitch Hawker</A> at: 3/14/03 5:51:48 pm<br></i>

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Thanks Mitch. Kind of stuff I love...bySS..

Post by slapshooter » Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:19 am

Thanks Mitch,<br><br>This is the kind of stuff I love. It would be interesting to find out what the average life span of a modern NHLer from the states is. <br><br>Who's been there the longest?<br><br>Hull was one of the players I was wondering about. Thought maybe he might have been born in Chicago so that is something I enjoyed finding out about.<br><br>The NCAA division1 summary was also encouraging as I saw the gophers tonight beat Michigan Tech and they've really got some young men who know how to play some great hockey.<br><br>3100 kids across this great state playin hockey in high school. You've gotta love that!<br>Some great players on that list though. Like to see a lot more from our region in the future.<br><br>Has there ever been any one of us, who've been fortunate enough to play the game, who didn't dream of playing in the NHL at some point during their playing days? <br><br>I wanted to play for the Bruins of Boston but Bobby Orr was wearing my number and it didn't look like he was about to give it up. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I rejoice every time I hear about any player that made it to the NHL from around these parts.<br><br>And speaking of Jason Blake.<br>He's pretty darn fast and shifty too isn't he?. <br><br>I just love watchin' Blake mix things up out there. <br>He's got a lot of nerve not to mention a great talent. He's seems to be gettin' better all the time.<br><br>Long as he can keep from gettin' his head knocked off he's going to do some great things.<br><br>SS<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Mitch, what would you pose to rctify this matter?

Post by sec7rules » Sun Mar 16, 2003 9:43 pm

I have seen this thread started many times over the life of this board. Mitch what do you feel needs to change to rectify this supposed problem? I can guess what you feel but I am curious. The thread always seems to imply that Minnesota should follow either the Michigan or Massachusetts Hockey model. Private Prep and AAA Midget year round. Am I wrong in this assumption? By the way I would be curious on a province by province breakdown of NHLers to population base from Canada. There are some surprises there to I am sure. I do know that Ontario has an incredibly low representation in the NHL and they are saturated in the minor leagues.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> The next wave of Minnesota players will do just fine. Right now the best D1 college teams are in the West and rely heavily on MN talent. There are not alot of MICH and MASS kids playing for the top five teams in the WCHA right now. That in itself is a good barometer for the talent base in MN. Not conclusive by any means but a window at the very least.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Mitch, what would you pose to rctify this matter?

Post by Mitch Hawker » Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:49 pm

S7,<br><br>You are VERY wrong in your assumption. <br><br>I wouldn't want Minnesota high school hockey to move toward what it is like in either of those states (which is the big reason why the whole open enrollment/private trend scares me a bit...but let's not beat that dead horse again here).<br><br>I simply noticed the info on USA Hockey's site and passed it along, make of it what you wish.<br><br>If I were to pick a measuring stick, it would be D1 NCAA players (and Minnesota is already #1 by that measure). So few ever make it to the NHL ... players should get their education AND try to become the best hockey player that they are able.<br><br>My few mostly unoriginal ideas:<br><br>I would like to see Minnesota Hockey change the cutoff dates so that Minnesota teams can attend nationals. <br><br>I would like to see the Elite League follow the age limits (overagers could all be put on one team in league play) and have the champion compete with Shattuck in the spring for a trip to nationals.<br><br>Where I think that high school players may tend to fall behind in general as compared to their peers in Midget AAA and prep who play more games against stiffer competition is in their skating ability (speed, control, and strength on their skates). Maybe we should encourage high school teams to practice once a week without pucks with recommended agility and speed drills.<br><br>On the bright side, I think that high school players are, in general, better with the puck than the aforementioned peers as the high school stars get to spend more time with it before they need to move it.<br><br>In Summary: It isn't really broken, but let's make sure it doesn't get that way.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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Mitch

Post by sec7rules » Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:37 pm

nice post mitch. Did you read the letter from BSM's coach in the LPh tourney week edition? What did you think of his comments? I think he is right on the money. I was really impressed with the tourney teams this year and actually felt that skating was pretty strong across the board with the AA teams. I thought the tourney lacked alot of the great skill players. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Mitch

Post by Mitch Hawker » Tue Mar 25, 2003 4:25 pm

I did not see that edition.<br><br>Pauly? or Blatherwick? What was the gist of it?<br><br>FYI:<br><br>You should take another look at the national rankings (I think you were the one that had a major problem with them(?)) as they should be more to your liking now that the full season's worth of games for most states are included.<br><br>Minnesota has 5 of the top 10 and 48 of the top 100 teams in the current rankings.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... wker>Mitch Hawker</A> at: 3/27/03 11:05:57 am<br></i>

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rankings

Post by sec7rules » Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:29 pm

There ARE more to my liking! Thanks for the memories.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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rankings

Post by josh petterson » Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:14 pm

and where would one find these rankings?? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: rankings

Post by Mitch Hawker » Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:01 am

ushsho.com <p></p><i></i>

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Re: rankings

Post by joe lulic » Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:40 am

We do what we do with developing kids in youth and high school. This results in MN leading the nation in D1 players. Is there something we could do at the age we have "control" over their development (youth and high school)that would make a difference in whether they play in the NHL. All of the MN kids who have made it to the NHL have played in college(2-3 years) except Housley. The ones who make it now will have played some college and at least a year of Juniors. <br>My point or question is: Arent they a little far removed from High School for it to make a difference whether they played in 25 vs 40 games or whether the games were 60 mins vs 45? Whaddya think? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: rankings

Post by Mitch Hawker » Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:50 pm

That is a good question Joe. I don't know the answer. I have another question: How much does the level of the games matter?<br><br>I have been to the last 6 Chicago Showcases, Minnesota has won the title at each of them and no doubt has always had the most skilled team.<br>However, I notice that they are often not the best skating team there as I would usually give that distinction to one of the teams that has a lot of Midget AAA players. I am not certain why that is, but it has been one of my general observations in Chicago.<br><br>Also, to complete one of your statements above, Jamie Langenbrunner did not play college hockey either. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: rankings

Post by joe lulic » Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:12 pm

Mitch, Maybe we need to have more skating instruction at the high school level. Maybe they are just better natural skaters. Who knows? It cant be because they play more games. <br> The number of games is always an issue at all levels. It is a game after all so you have to learn how to play it and you do that by playing games. But, if you are 16 yrs old, the more practice, the better. How many games does a D1 college team play that doesnt make the playoffs? 35? I think my sons Pee Wee team played more.<br> What was Lagenbrunners path? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: rankings

Post by Mitch Hawker » Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:38 pm

More skating practice would seem a good idea. Perhaps one of Minnesota's hockey governing bodies should make some recommendations of drill types and frequencies. <br><br>The ideal would be those that improved speed, strength, and balance while not seeming like boot camp for the players...the game is supposed to be fun.<br><br>Langenbrunner played major junior for the Peterborough Petes of the OHL. <p></p><i></i>

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