Thauwald is off to Colorado College

bdabbt75
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Thauwald is off to Colorado College

Post by bdabbt75 » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:39 pm

go fishing for the weekend, and all sorts of stuff happens. My daughter heard this in school today (grosso told some lourdes kids today).<br><br>So, Jamie Hoffman is gone all of 2 days, and BAM, they get a Mr Hockey Candidate signing up for classes... probably today... that's some recruiting machine;-)<br><br>this is off the CC board...<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub182.ezboard.com/fcctigerhocke ... <!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>bud <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... dabbt75</A> at: 8/25/03 6:35 pm<br></i>

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Post by petey1321 » Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:04 pm

Congrats to Scott.<br><br>Owens sure likes his Rochester guys these days, doesn't he? They have to have at least 5 guys down there. You'd think Rochester would win a state tourney game now and then with that type of talent. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Post by bdabbt75 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 7:51 am

6 wins in 4 years, of course, this assumes that Class A is a State Tournament, and not an exhibition series as some on this board like to think.<br><br>How many do kennedy and jefferson have in the same time frame? <br><br>and Lucia started it all, with mike stuart and colgan 5 years ago. <br><br>:-}<br>-bud <p></p><i></i>

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Post by petey1321 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:21 am

Hey, you know where I stand on the matter of Class A hockey. I was referring to 1AA's incredible record of futility over the past 15 state tournaments, but I'd take a win against Elk River over a win against Fergus Falls any day of the week.<br><br>But, back to the point, congratulations to Scott. I'm sure he'll be a fine player for the Tigers. <p></p><i></i>

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Post by Finn70 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:38 am

Section 1 hockey does suck on the whole. But they do develop a few top guys here and there.<br><br>I think Thauwald is rushing it and it sort of seems like a desperation move by CC. He is definitely not ready for WCHA level hockey. I can only wonder when some of these HS kids are going to learn the virtue of patience. Because he is rushing it, I'd be surprised if Thauwald makes much of any impact prior to his junior year in college as he definitely needed a good year of junior hockey. <br><br>But I think this shows the difference between a CC and a title winning program like the Gophers. The Gophers have three recruits (Howe, Borgen and Gordon) who are better than Thauwald and they won't even be coming into college for another year. That says a lot. <p></p><i></i>

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Congrats to the Kid!

Post by JLS 81 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:04 am

I have to tip my hat to any kids from Minnesota that gets the Division 1 nod. That is getting tougher and tougher to do. It is a long road this day in age from Mites to Division 1 and 1/2 of 1% make it if the percentages are correct. So congratulations and best of luck to young Mr. Thauwald and all the young bucks from Minesota that will compete at the D-1 level. <p></p><i></i>

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re: finn70

Post by bdabbt75 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:48 pm

<br>I'm sorry... I disagree with your post on several levels.<br><br>Taking a long (post-hockey career) view... This is good for scott. It's scotts job to optimize his future. a degree paid for by CC is better than the bird in the bush.<br><br>If he waited, what better offer would he have gotten? CC is a better academic school than any other WCHA school, and maybe BC, BU, michigan, notre dame, and ohio state could be the only other scholarship granting schools that would be of academic interest, and they play out east. <br><br>Are you inferring he should be Waiting for the U? Why? By not offering him a scholarship this year, you could gather that they told him that it's 2 years before he comes to ski-u-mah. And how does that improve his lot on life... injuries, changes in their needs, etc...again - bird in the hand.<br><br>It's owen's responsibility to determine who's ready for CC/WCHA, not thawald's. <br><br>even with losing one of your critical recruits the week before school starts, it's hard to characterize this a 'desparate' move. It was likely pressed, as CC only carries 22 skaters (I think), so the loss of one is a major impact, and needs to be replaced. I also think that the NCAA has strict rules about eligibility... I think anyone who came in had to be 'accepted/admitted/enrolled/in-class' by the first day of the school. my guess is that scottie had been vetted already by CC.<br><br><br>while winning 2 ncaa championships is definitely a measure of quality, CC is the team that won the 'regular season' wcha, and had a 2-2-1 record against Minnesota, lost to the U in the WCHA post season finals in a close game, and lost to the hosting team (Michigan) in the NCAA quarterfinals. you infer that CC is an also-ran, and I think that's unfair.<br><br>As for the 3 recruits... it says very little. it's arguable that they are better, and the reasons they aren't playing may be less on whether they are wcha ready, or is it lucia taking the long view on feathering his talent, academic issues with the recruits, or waiting for them to fill out physically. <br><br>Scott, you did us all proud. now, you and brunk and canzy and the stuarts can all beat up on the U and prove that Section 1 hockey, when distilled to it's purest essense, is 'smart' hockey.<br><br>bud <p></p><i></i>

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Academic Schools

Post by hocke101 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 7:49 pm

Colorado is a good school but it is not by far and away the best in the WCHA for academics. Look at nearby Denver which is a step up along with Michigan Tech and you will find two great schools. How good the hockey is in all these schools is easy to debate but the academics in these places are easy to see. All three of the schools I mentioned are great but I would actually rank Colorado third in this elite group as far as academics. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Thauwald is off to Colorado College

Post by Finn70 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:54 pm

No doubt Thauwald is making use of this academic opportunity. If that is his main focus, I don't fault him for taking the opportunity. However, if his decision was more about hockey, he made a big mistake in my book. The weak and thin teams that litter section 1 hockey are not going to adequately prepare a HS player for the big jump to the WCHA. He clearly needed juniors. Now I doubt he'll contribute a lot until he has wasted half his eligibility (plus, he always seemed soft to me and needed to add some toughness and maturity).<br><br>I wasn't inferring he should have waited for the U. I am not sure he would get much playing time at the U with the top players they bring in so he was wise not to wait for them. <br><br>P.S.- CC isn't a bad program but they aren't at the elite level like the Gophers, Michigan, and teams of that ilk. They may make a run on the occasional year under Owens but it won't be consistent.<br> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Academic Schools

Post by bdabbt75 » Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:41 pm

DU is arguable, MTU moreso.<br><br>DU ranks (well) below Wisconsin and Minnesota, and MTU is below DU according to the 2004 USNWR rankings. granted YMMV by program and what not. MTU is 3rd in it's own state.<br><br>CC is ranked approx at Macalester's (29 & 25) level in the same report... again apples and oranges (CC is a nat'l lib arts, vs a national university). but... comparing macalester to the U and then dropping some 30 notches to get to DU... and some 10 more to MTU - if you accept USNWR as a 'fair' measure (and granted it may not be), the local comparisons and national rankings tend to lead to another opinion. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... dabbt75</A> at: 8/26/03 10:44 pm<br></i>

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Choosing a college is a complex thing

Post by timmyo » Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:30 am

Man, some of you guys are demanding ... pedantic, even. An 18 year old kid is making a major life decision. He's choosing a college. You guys rant and rave about Section 1 v. other HS programs; you scream and holler about whether he's "ready" for this or that program or league; you pontificate about college "rankings" and quality of programs. Then you opine whether his choice is good or bad, right or wrong.<br><br>My kid is almost 17. He gets great grades. He loves to play hockey. If I tossed out his name, no doubt seven or eight of you would say: we've seen him play, and he's not ready for the WCHA, but he is ready for ECHL ... or he needs two years of juniors or more size ... That's OK; in this kind of a forum, it's interesting to discuss or predict how a kid will play and how a team will fare in the upcoming season.<br><br>But then, some of you guys go bonkers. You claim a specific kid is making a "mistake" by choosing a specific college. My kid and I have done some college visits. Notre Dame, BU and BC, Colgate, Cornell, etc. All you "geniuses" (to borrow Sid's term) can probably tell me which ones are "better" hockey wise and academically. But to suppose that you can in any way, shape or form prioritize specific schools for specific kids is beyond presumptious, it's ludicrous.<br><br>What is young Scott hoping to do with his life after hockey? Does he want to be an engineer or a vet or a philsopher or a lawyer? How strong is CC's philosophy dept.? How does young Scott fit in with CC's current engineering dept. student profiles? How did his lunch with the chair of the academic department he's interested in go? Y'all have absolutely no clue.<br><br>Even more ... what were Scott's subjective impressions of the campus, the city, the dorms, the people, etc. Again, y'all have no clue.<br><br>People are complex organisms. Colleges are multi-faceted places. What's "right" or "best" in this decision is not simply objective, it's not just deductive. It's personal, it's multi-layered, and in many respects its subjective. But one thing is for sure - it's important, and for Scott it involves a lot more than one or two elements; for him it's a life choice.<br><br>Debate his hockey - is he faster than Gordon? Debate the teams - is the U deeper than CC? All that's fine in this forum. But don't you dare say Scott's choice is good or bad or right or wrong. It's his choice, its an exciting choice, and congratulations to him for earning the right to make it. Good luck to a kid I've never met, and don't know at all. <br><br>Geez - now I'm ranting. I feel like Bob Dylan in "Chimes of Freedom" ... "fearing not I'll become my enemy in the instant that I preach." I'll go chill out now. <p></p><i></i>

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choosing college....

Post by hubbaa » Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:31 am

timmyo,<br><br>i couldn't agree more with your post. someone accepts a scholarship and people can't seem to appreciate where or what the young man wants to do in the future or any factors that went into the decision process.<br><br>weather he is ready or not for d-1 is not his fault, let cc worry and adjust to that. will he be a better player than gordon etc.. will come out in a couple years. one thing for sure is he will get to play d-1 hockey and better yet he will get a college education at a severe discount. had he waited he may not have gotten this opportunity. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: choosing college....

Post by hounddog » Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:39 pm

You can get a great education or a poor one anywhere.<br>Hockey for many, many players is "being in the right place at the right time." How do you know what's the right place or the right time? You don't, you're only in charge of the footwork. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: choosing college....

Post by goldy313 » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:04 pm

I may be off here, (bdabbt help me if I'm wrong) but that makes 8 Rochester kids at CC in 5? years. All of them went there directly after High School, no year either progressing in Hockey or regressing in Acedemics spent in the Juniors. (I'd like to see the numbers of kids who acedemically wash out of college after 2 years of Junior hockey compared to the number who washout straight out of high school) Believe it or not, some kids really do use hockey to further their education whether Thauwald is ready for D1 hockey isn't the point, the fact is CC wanted him and he accepted right out of Mayo H.S. The fact that that is fast becoming the exception not the rule is reason enough to celebrate a MN kid getting a ride. Good Luck Scott.<br><br>For the who's better, it's great for debate, but no will ever be able to give a difinitive answer, and sure the Gophers have had a tremendous last 2 years, but they had been borderline run of the mill for what the past 10? 15? while CC has been a top teir team for a while now. <p></p><i></i>

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Math

Post by JLS 81 » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:03 pm

I say focus on math. Have fun playing hockey. Good post timmyo. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... =jls81>JLS 81</A> at: 8/27/03 3:08 pm<br></i>

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ok... you're slightly wrong

Post by bdabbt75 » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:29 pm

<br>methinks 7 rochester kids in 5 years... I don't think anyone went there before colgan and mike stuart in recent history.<br><br>officially only 3 right out of a rochester high school with no junior experience:<br>colgan - mayo<br>canzanello - mayo<br>brunkhorst - lourdes<br><br>scott thauwald played the end of last season with souix falls, but was a 4 year mayo player<br><br>mike stuart played with the mustangs for 2 years in HS<br>colin stuart played his senior HS year with lincoln<br>mark stuart played NTDP his junior/senior year in High school<br><br>but all came to CC as 18 year old freshman.<br><br><br>- bud<br><br>math is the queen and the handmaiden of all sciences... physics is the king. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... dabbt75</A> at: 8/27/03 3:47 pm<br></i>

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Post by Finn70 » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:41 pm

goldy, <br><br>For somebody with the Gopher mascot's nickname, you are awfully uninformed about the last 15 years of the Gopher program. I'd say you need a refresher course on how it has been.<br><br>As for the rest, good luck to the kid. I still think I'll be proven right that he made a bad choice as far as hockey goes. Educationally, I agree he will do well but I see a guy who is going to find out the hard way that he isn't ready for the rigors of WCHA hockey. <p></p><i></i>

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Thawault

Post by digity » Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:47 pm

I have seen Scott play quite a few times and I follow college hockey quite regularly and here is my .02 cents. Scott has exceptional skill and with the current loss of Jamie Hoffman it opens a door for him. It was very honorable for him to finish his senior year at Mayo but, I think it effected his development and that is why everyone wanted him to play a year in the USHL. <br><br>His story is pretty identical to the University of Minnesota's defensemen Judd Stevens. Judd finished his senior year at Wayazata and then played the last half of the year for the Green Bay Gamblers. It sounded like he was all set to play a full year in Green Bay and then Ben Tharp decided to leave the U and it opened the door for Stevens. <br><br>Back to Thawault, I think that if Jamie Hoffman would of decided to go the baseball route a year earlier and never played a year for Des Monies CC signs someone other then Thawault in November and Thawault plays a year in the USHL. For CC to lose a recruit this late in summer(in 98 they lost Scott Gomez when he had some SAT problems and then decided to go the major junior route) I think they are getting a pretty good hockey player but, it will take him awhile to adjust. He'll see action on the 4th line and skating on the Olympic ice will be to his advantage. <br><br>If Matt Hendricks signs with Nashville late in the summer you would maybe see Dey or Gerrity come into SCSU a year early. <p></p><i></i>

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canzanello

Post by digity » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:34 pm

"officially only 3 right out of a rochester high school with no junior experience:<br>colgan - mayo<br>canzanello - mayo<br>brunkhorst - lourdes<br><br>scott thauwald played the end of last season with souix falls, but was a 4 year mayo player"<br><br>For the record, Canzanello played a split season with the Green Bay Gamblers his senior year so he would be in the same group with Thauwald. <br> <p></p><i></i>

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Colgan

Post by digity » Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:35 pm

Once again for the record, Mike Colgan played a split season with the Rochester Mustangs his junior year of high school but not his senior year. <p></p><i></i>

nuts4hockey
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Re: thauwald goes to CC

Post by nuts4hockey » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:18 pm

Can someone clarify this-<br>Bud stated that Bronkhorst is going to CC directly <br>from HS. Did he get a scholarship?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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re: brunkhorst

Post by bdabbt75 » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:24 pm

not an athletic scholarship. his father said JP is a 'non-scholarship recruit.' CC doesn't allow walk-ons. He probably got academic scholarships/financial aid (last I heard, they applied, but hadn't gotten the numbers back).<br><br>-bud <p></p><i></i>

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CC players

Post by hasbeen » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:19 am

CC had a poor player graduation rate for several years and has made a effort the last 4 years to improve that. One way has been to seek players that are more likely to be successful academically. <p></p><i></i>

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