most hated team in state

slapshooter
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1321 lot's of fun by SS

Post by slapshooter » Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:19 pm

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bkone15
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guess i gotta apologize haha

Post by bkone15 » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:42 am

obviously i have gotten alot of complaints about my message. just meant to poke a little fun into the conversation. but people decide to get all pissy and serious about it so i'll take it back. never meant to offend people about the education statement. that was merely another joke. i know a bunch of my friends that have gone on to great colleges after going to public schools. i would like to add, seriously, that teachers are not as lenient at private schools than they are public. this is because they are paid more and so therefore, make a strict environment and some tough courses. that does not mean, however, that smarter students are produced because thats not true.<br><br>back to hockey. i like what coach had to say about my statement. everyone can go on and on about hills loss against roseville in the christmas tournament that year. whatever. i played in that game and it was embarassing. that doesnt mean that we were the same team at the end of the year. we learned considerably after that game and came together,which made for a championship game against a great team. i do believe private schools have a little more class than public but not alot in terms of at games. yes, chanting back and forth and holding fake money and all of that stuff is gonna happen by the fans. of course, its high school. students do it for the tradition of the fight between public and private. obviously they know that they arent better than the old students but chanting "its alright, its okay, youre gonna pump our gas someday", honestly is very funny and its just to get a little tension going.<br><br>so anyways, fight all you want about the recruiting stuff and which type of school is better. no ones ever going to win the fight. its an ongoing fight because like other people have said, PEOPLE DONT LIKE THE TEAMS WHO WIN. thats all that has to be said. everyone recruits, everyone has top players in the state. but some years, teams produce better players than others. its high school and its hockey. players play because they love the game, i know i did because i just wanted to have fun because i dont play anymore now that i'm in college. so continue fighting. wait for a winner. and tell me if you ever find one...you won't.<br><br>oh and by the way, for the guy who tried to comeback agianst my statement talking about my spelling and grammar used...its the internet, i'm not going for perfect grammar. what a dumb statement. <p></p><i></i>

BELOW 0 ZERO
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Can there be any question?????? by someone who knows

Post by BELOW 0 ZERO » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:59 am

E-D-I-N-A<br><br>Sorry folks, dont matter where you go or what story you hear these are the cockiest Minnesota Hockey people in the state. <p>The only good ice is made with 150 degree water... if you want it blessed..we do that here too<br></p><i></i>

joe lulic
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Re one little mistake

Post by joe lulic » Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:52 am

petey, Hill now has a "pretty soft soft section to deal with" Are you sure about that? Centenniel, White Bear lake and Roseville are soft? <p></p><i></i>

Sparlimb
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Petey and the rest...

Post by Sparlimb » Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:28 am

This argument happens every year, and there always seems to be two distinct discussions. First being the smack talking by the younger kids, which I tend to ignore completely. Second is the more serious discussion. My allegiance to Hill is well known and when I went to school there we were quite happy to be the team everyone hated. Petey mentioned that Jefferson had the 4 sections for it and everyone else against it and let me tell you that happened a lot to Hill. In the early 90's when both WBL and H-M were rated in the top 5 year in and year out, we'd go to the section finals, which were sold out at the Coliseum and it was 2/3's WBL fans and 1/3 Hill fans. Which was fine because it was so much sweeter winning those games. <br><br>The obvious answer to the question that was asked in this thread is: The most hated teams are the ones who are on top right now. So as far as that goes, AHA is probably more hated then Hill right now as they have had more recent success and plus their coach came from a public system and took a lot of kids with him. Hill has still been getting the same number of kids from all over as they used to. Duluth East is high on that list now, but no one had really heard of them back in 1991 when they made the finals beating a good Richfield team with Darby Hendrickson in the quarters. Back when a little man named Dave Spehar was lighting the lamp, they were the darlings of the tournament. Just like a lot of northern teams hate Warroad and Roseau, yet they were always the darlings of the tourney come March. Who wasn't cheering for Larry Olimb against Edina in the 1988 semi-finals. Personally, I respect all of these teams. When I got to Hill the teams to hate were WBL and Edina as they were the other top dogs. Things have changed a lot. Although this year Jefferson, Edina, and Hill may be experiencing a renaissance. <br><br>The whole private vs public thing is a waste of time. I happened to be extremely happy with my private high school education. I went to public school all the way until high school, but wasn't real happy with NSP in 8th grade. Some of my friends hated Hill and the rules there. It's a personal choice. Any school can be the best spot for the right person. There isn't any point in arguing that. We know private schools are here, and we know they take kids who would play in public schools if there was no other choice. But so what, that's the world we live in. And now that I've been taking my 7 year old to the tourney every year, I don't care who we see (although I still have my allegiance to Hill). I just want good hockey. <br><br>I also hate to argue about strength of sections, but here is some commentary anyway. Hill has played in a two horse section for the past 20 years, no way to argue that. NSP had some really good teams back in the early 80's as did WBL Mariner. But since then it's been only Hill and WBL. Despite their incredible first round record at state. can anyone argue they didn't have some awesome teams in the 90's? Brian Bonin was about as good as you could get in High School and College, yet his lack of success at state will haunt his memory. We've had the same argument about messing with the sections to make it more even, and I've concluded you can't ever make it fair because you can't ever predict who is going to be good in 2 years. So if you want completely fair, you take the top 64 teams, seed them and play it that way. Which also will never happen because of logistics and driving. So we have the system we have, which has produced some incredible memories for every single person on this board, so why are we so convinced it needs to change?<br><br>As I grow older I find that I respect all the teams out there. Since I've been posting here for 3 or 4 years now, and so has Petey, I've found a respect for Jefferson I didn't have before. It's different when you know someone that likes that team and actually can have an intelligent conversation with you. I've met some of you at games, which justs adds to the fun of talking here. I like new blood as much as anyone else, but I'm starting to wonder whether picking St. Cloud Cathedral to finally beat Moorhead every single year is all that wise. I am not sure I even hate WBL anymore. They are a rival and I like to see them lose to Hill and lose their first round game at state. Other then that, they can win every other game. Anyway, that's probably enough writing for Christmas Eve. <p></p><i></i>

KRJD
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Re: Re one little mistake

Post by KRJD » Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:43 am

What did you do, start new year's drinking early?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> The toughest section in the state!! And a close second 6AA. C'mon petey!!! <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub33.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUser ... jd>KRJD</A> at: 12/24/03 10:46 am<br></i>

Sparlimb
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Re: Re one little mistake

Post by Sparlimb » Wed Dec 24, 2003 11:04 am

If you guys read closely, Petey is referring to AHA as having a soft section, not H-M. <p></p><i></i>

digity
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LOL

Post by digity » Wed Dec 24, 2003 11:28 am

"Petey is referring to AHA as having a soft section"<br><br>The all mighty Jaguars leave the section and it is soft. I think that section was the toughest in the state of minnesota for awhile (98-01) and some teams defected(namely Jefferson) but, it is still a tough section. Unless Apple Valley, Eastview and AHA are really not that good and just happen to some how win quite a few games year in and year out. <p></p><i></i>

centennialfan
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Hilltopper9's comments

Post by centennialfan » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:11 pm

I highly doubt any students would transfer to Centennial after a few sucessful seasons, these kids grew/grow up together and for once in our existence have a decent team which gives the community alot of pride, after all it's the guys like you who call us trailer park trash.<br><br>As for us whining about Totino transfers-well anyone with knowledge on that comment knows damn well that in the last decade our top developmental players transferred to Totino after a "Preist or or Advisor" explains what a great catholic education they can recieve and sometimes offer a nice "discount" on that fine catholic education. Tell us that isn't a recruitment offer! <p></p><i></i>

petey1321
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Sections

Post by petey1321 » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:35 pm

Ha, yes, I meant that section 5 is a soft section this year, certainly not 3. My reasoning for this is that AV is awful this year except in the nets and Eastview isn't too hot either. Thus, of the "big 3" that they've had the past couple years, AHA is the overwhelming favorite. Even if Jefferson were back in 5, it would still be a soft section compared to a few others where at least 3 or 4 teams are legitimate contenders to win it all. Not that this means much for the future...AV and Eastview will undoubtedly rebound and Kennedy is coming on strong, but for right now, AHA can look forward to a pretty good chance of returning to state.<br><br>If I were to rank the sections, this year I'd go with 3, 6, 4, 7, 5, 8, 1, 2. The reason 8 is so low is the same reason that 5 is so low: only one team has a real shot at winning the state tourney. Sure, upsets can happen in sections, and maybe somebody will knock off AHA or Moorhead, but whoever does that probably won't be looking ahead at a state tourney title. <p></p><i></i>

centerman
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Hate a strong word!

Post by centerman » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:43 pm

First of all I think section 3 and 6 are both loaded with each having a number of teams that could represent well at the tourney in March.<br><br>The word "Hate" in the original post is a bit harsh. To me schools that welcome kids with open arms from anywhere and then claim they are a dominant programs are only kidding themselves. There are a few in A and AA that are famous for this. My question is, "Where were they before open enrollment and the two class system?" For me these are the only teams I have a gripe with. Win at all costs has no place in high school sports!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

digity
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!

Post by digity » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:56 pm

In 2002, Holy Angels won the state tournament(as we all know) and they were the #3 seed in that section. Eastview and Apple Valley may be down this season but I don't know if I(in my opinion) would call the section "soft". <br><br>I think there is a lot of misunderstanding in this thread and that has caused confusing among all of us. Do you look at how many teams in a section are ranked to determine the strength of the section(keep in mind all of the debate about the ranking system and how accurate it acctually is)? How the winner of the section performs at the state tournament? How many players the section sends to collegiate and junior hockey? The strength of a certain section is subject to change from year to year( I can't come up with any explanation to explain 1AA). You can play the "if this team were in this section would they make it to state" all day, but that is the way it is. It's not always fair but, that is the same with life. Fergus Falls has made something like 8 consectutive trips to the tourny in A and if they were in section 5a they probably won't of made one trip. That's just the way it goes I guess. <p></p><i></i>

Gordie
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Lourdes

Post by Gordie » Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:25 pm

Rochester Lourdes is by far the most hated team in all of southern MN. If you don't believe me check out one of the New Ulm Eagles and Rochester Lourdes Eagles games. They have made some really good games over the past years Ex: (Section 2 Championship game in 2002 Lourdes won 2-1 in 2OT) with New Ulm playing without there top player Jamie Hoffmann who was drafted by the Carolina Hurricanes and recruited by Colorado College but opted to play baseball when he was signed by the Los Angeles Dodgers. The students at New Ulm circle this as the most important games of the year. This year New Ulm is struggling but they will give it there best when they play there two games against Lourdes during the regular season to bad Lourdes had to move from section 2 to section 1. Hopefully we can keep this southern MN hated rivalry going.<br> <p></p><i></i>

oldschool
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hate

Post by oldschool » Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:12 pm

In northern MN and probably a large part of the state when they win like they did last year because of how they get good and how they get good players...................... <p></p><i></i>

digity
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?

Post by digity » Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:34 pm

How did they get there good players? Gave them free tutition? Spent a lot of time and energy recruiting them and promised them the world? <br><br>The players and there families made there OWN decision to go there and they pay the full tutition to be a student. <p></p><i></i>

bkone15
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save it sparlimb

Post by bkone15 » Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:03 pm

yea i'm glad youre a fan of hill cuz i am too but honestly save the "i ignore all the younger guys who post on here". i forgot, unless you're 10-20 years out of high school and have a kid, you cant post on here. yea right. sure you've been around longer and seen high school hockey more years than i have but i think i know enough being through high school already. you dont have all the answers because youre older so quit acting like you and that petey character are the gods of this forum thing. <p></p><i></i>

bdabbt75
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Re: save it sparlimb

Post by bdabbt75 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:19 am

<br>"...I think I know enough being through high school already." <br><br>How many mothers, employers, fathers (fathers-in-law!), teachers, coaches, cringe when they hear that;-)<br><br>Bud<br>"Knowledge talks... wisdom listens" <p></p><i></i>

petey1321
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Titles

Post by petey1321 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:28 am

"petey character"...I like it. Anyway, what Sparlimb is saying is that there are generally two types of posts on here: 1. Posts that are rational and have an argument ("Jefferson is overrated and here's why..." "Edina will win it all and here's why...", etc.) and 2. Posts that are either irrational or just asinine ("Jefferson sux!", "Edina rules and ur team will loose 2nite"). Most of the stuff you get from the older people is usually in the former category and unfortunately a lot of the stuff you get from the high school guys is in the latter. As Sparlimb said, it's just not worth reading the ones in the 2nd group because they don't have any argument in them. This is not to say that all the posts from high schoolers are worthless, just to say that a good amount of the worthless posts comes from the younger crowd (which is, of course, to be expected). <p></p><i></i>

bdabbt75
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D*mn... I gotta print this and frame it!

Post by bdabbt75 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:28 am

Petey's saying Section 1AA isn't the weakest in the state! <br><br>Wasn't it last month Petey was arguing for Section 1AA to be traded to the Girls state tournament in lieu of the lawsuit, so the Girl's winner in Ridder could play at the X the next week to give the AA brackets a tougher draw,<br><br><br><br>Must be the holidays....<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

petey1321
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1AA

Post by petey1321 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:31 am

Bud, with the moving of Roseville out of 2, there aren't many teams in section 2 that would even make it out of section 1. This call isn't even close. Merry Christmas, southern MN fans! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

spectator8
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warroad

Post by spectator8 » Sat Jan 03, 2004 3:57 am

warroad is by far one of the most hated teams in the state because of their "recruiting". i guess if you want to call it "recruiting", go ahead. one thing that i dont get is how is it that there are so many "move-ins" in other towns, and every kid from out of town, who happens to have family in warroad, is a recruit. i believe LOW listed a few canadian boys as their "home-grown" talent. the kids, arent from baudette, so i dont know how they are home-grown. from being at the holiday tournament in warroad, i noticed that warroad only has 2 of their "recruits" that actually play. the rest were raised in warroad and came up through the program. every kid that goes to warroad to play, just like any other "move-in" in any other town, has to earn his or her spot on the team. if that individual doesnt perform, then he doesnt play, its simple. <p></p><i></i>

Warroad11
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hated team

Post by Warroad11 » Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:05 am

I agree Warroad is the most hated. Anytime I've gone someplace for hockey you have to listen to the same things. Yes Warroad has had out of town kids in the past but lets face it they were not brought in by the team. Warroad is lucky to have a large company that has alot of jobs, so that does bring in people from out of state and out of town. Fact is I know for a fact Roseau has the same thing happen there and that LOW gets some of there kids from Rainy River. So you tell me why is it ok for some schools to get out of town players and not others???? <p></p><i></i>

WarroadWarrior
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Re: hated team

Post by WarroadWarrior » Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:02 am

There was a pretty good point made there about the "recruiting". You have to work to gain your spot on the team....your not just handed the position on a silver platter. Take Owen Storey for instance. Yes he has relatives in warroad, and Yes he did go to the school at one point when he was in elementary. However about 8-10 years ago his family moved to Fargo to persue a job opportunity. Then at the begenning of last season Owen moved back to warroad (without his parents) to play hockey. Yet it seems he's still stuck on JV.....if you can't cut the cheese....you don't make the team <p></p><i></i>

CKHockey
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Re: bkone and ignorance

Post by CKHockey » Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:54 pm

bkone you are ignorant and it is people like you that give the rest of us private school kids a bad name. You obviously didnt learn much from Hill's hockey program or education. Private schools are often accused of recruiting. I must tell you that this is not the case. I spent part of my high school hockey career at a public school, and the rest a private school which I will not name either. If what was happening at my private school was recruiting than all public schools recruit as well. Myself and players like me leave our public schools and flock to certain, and mind you only certain private schools, for the playing opportunities that they can afford us. I was able to play the best AA teams each year I was there. Something that was not possible at my public school. Either way, I didnt leave because someone asked me too, neither did any of my teammates, many who are now playing in prominent DI programs. Someday I think people will realizze this isnt the case. <p></p><i></i>

hockey08
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hated team

Post by hockey08 » Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:25 am

Elk River is the most hated team in the state, I went there and I played hockey there... If they play some private schools or some of the rich suburban teams and win people hate it cuz Elk River is supposedly just a dirt town and a bunch of hicks... People accuse them of a lot of things like recruiting, fighting and playing cheap hockey... You can ask any hockey player in the state and they will tell you that fighting is a part of the game and sometimes @#%$ happens... As far as the recruiting goes i'm sure it happens and I dont condone it but I know some kids that played there that are from different cities and they werent all recruited, they come to Elk River to play for a winning team, either they are in a small town playing @#%$ hockey or they dont have a chance to play in their own city... Elk river is hated all over the state because of the style of hockey they play, its not always pretty but it gets the job done, they have had a few teams do very well with hardly any talent... You might think sars is an @#%$ but he knows how to coach and gets the job done and thats why he is the winningest coach in the state over the past 12 years... <p></p><i></i>

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