elite leaugue rosters

wild77 · Post by **wild77** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:01 am

Elite league rosters are posted <a href="http://hselitehockey.com/vertical/Sites ... 867CD}.PDF" target="top">elite league rosters</a>

WBLBEARS06 · Post by **WBLBEARS06** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:37 pm

is there any reason that Hill has 7 players going to the elite tourny? They have as many as WBL and Cent combined. WBL had 5 and Cent 2. Some of the players that made it from hill are just average players and wouldnt stand out in a crowd... Gabe Guentzel, 4 pts last season. Between WBL and Cent they had 6 players last season with higher numbers then Gabe. Is there a logical explanation for having this many hill players in the elite league? The curse lives on.....

BrokenStick06 · Post by **BrokenStick06** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:57 pm

Keeping my mouth shut on how ya get on an elite team, cause I don't really know. just will say it appears to be a typical offseason league with outside influences <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)">

zorba · Post by **zorba** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:04 am

"keeping my mouth shut on how ya get on an elite team,cause I really don't know. just will say it appears to be typical offseason league influence" wow........<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> of course there is off season (and seasonal)influences that decide which players are picked for these teams. The Coach of the player and the players individual abillities sometimes is not enough to put your choice on these off season teams. Its not a perfect system for choosing which players are worthy of being picked,or for that matter even considered,because of personalities, egos, and parental influences<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> We all have to have to realize that a lot of quality players are passed up for one reason or another Besides, there are lots of things a player can do to improve his (or hers) chances for improvement during the off season without draining the bank account dry. I am not taking anything away from any of these players chosen for off season teams ,obviously these kids are talented players and have worked hard to get where they are,they should be proud of themselves, i know the parents are. So, brokenstick don't loose any sleep over it,<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I"> this is a on going thing that will never change <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... s>zorba</A> at: 7/10/05 9:17 am

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:49 am

WLBBears, The reason Gabe only had 6 (yes 6, I looked) points last year was because he had limited playing time. Hill was working with 7 defenseman for a while and that cut out of lots of his time. Now, I'm not just saying this because I'm a Hill fan.... but Gabe really is a nice player. Last year his size really hurt him. Since then, I've noticed a good difference in his height, which is great. One of the best qualities of him is how smart he is. He's good at seeing the open ice and makes good passes. By the way, could anyone copy and paste the rosters on here? My computer is torturing me and won't let me open them...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... Hillfan</A> at: 7/10/05 11:51 am

zorba · Post by **zorba** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:09 pm

Team Southwest Roster Pos. Name School Class G Austin Lee Bloomington Jefferson 12 G Keaton Smith Academy of Holy Angels 12 D Mitch Carlson St. Louis Park 12 D Baylor Deiter Bloomington Jefferson 12 D Brett Hesketh Minnetonka 12 D Tom Jorgensen Edina 12 D Alex Lau Eden Prairie 12 D Tyler Pederson St. Louis Park 12 D Chris Student Benilde-St. Margaret’s 10 F Jay Barriball Academy of Holy Angels 12 F Joey Brehm Edina 11 F Brooks DeZellar Academy of Holy Angels 12 F Trevor Doden Red Wing 12 F Matt LaBombard Bloomington Jefferson 12 F Joshua Levine Bloomington Jefferson 11 F Taylor Matson Academy of Holy Angels 11 F Jon Meyers Eden Prairie 12 F Christopher Murray Blake School 12 F Jack Paul Minnetonka 11 F Matthew Reber Edina 11 F Andy Sackrison St. Louis Park 12 F Tyler Thompson Benilde-St. Margaret’s 11 Team North Roster Pos. Name School Class G Reid Ellingson Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 11 G Jason Paul Duluth Marshall 11 D John Clark Lake of the Woods 11 D Matthew Crandell St. Cloud Cathedral 11 D Brian Downing Duluth East 12 D Kyle Olson Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 12 D Ryan Peltoma Brainerd 12 D Carl Sneep Brainerd 12 D Colin Trachsel Duluth East 11 F Michael Baker Brainerd 12 F Jeremy Beller Lake of the Woods 12 F Rob Bordson Duluth Marshall 12 F Nate Breden Silver Bay 12 F Brian Downing Duluth East 12 F Levi Goeden Park Rapids 12 F Jake Johnson Duluth Denfeld 10 F Tyler Johnson Cloquet 11 F Kevin Mahoney Duluth Marshall 12 F Andrew Muir Kittson Central 12 F Bryan Osmondson Princeton 12 F Jascha Pettit Wadena 11 F Luke Taintor Silver Bay 12 F Josh Turnbull Duluth East 11 F Patrick White Grand Rapids 11 Team Great Plains Roster Pos. Name School Class G Beau Christian Moorhead 12 G Sean Deichert Fargo South, ND 11 Alt.G Michael Haggart Detroit Lakes 12 D Jacob DeLisle Grand Forks, ND 12 D Jeff Foss Moorhead 11 D Erick Galt Fargo South, ND 12 D Kris Graalum Fargo South, ND 11 D John Lee Moorhead 11 D Andrew Petersen Grafton – Park River, ND 12 F Jake Bergquist Detroit Lakes 12 F Jordy Christian Moorhead 11 F Pat Deitz Moorhead 11 F Andy Ditus Minot, ND 12 F Joe Harren Warroad 12 F Corey Horien Thief River Falls 11 F Nick Klenow Fargo North, ND 12 F Grant Larson Fargo South, ND 12 F Aaron Marvin Warroad 11 F Brian McMillin Roseau 12 F Marc Mihulka Grand Forks – Red River, ND 12 F J. Ross Monson Bismarck, ND 12 F Joe Schiller Detroit Lakes 11 F Robby Philipp Thief River Falls 12 F Paul Weisgarber Fargo South, ND 12 Team Northeast Roster Pos. Name School Class G Zach Faust White Bear Lake 12 G Cary Wood Tartan 11 D Brian Galloway St. Paul Johnson 12 D Gabe Guentzel Hill Murray 12 D Zach Hansen White Bear Lake 12 D Derek Holmberg North St. Paul 12 D Tom Kleidon White Bear Lake 11 D Derek McCallum Hill Murray 12 D Ryan McDonagh Cretin Durham Hall 11 F Brian Arrigoni Hill Murray 12 F Josh Bergren Centennial 12 F Kolby Dahl Mounds View 12 F Addison DeBoer Spring Lake Park 12 F Michael Dorr Roseville 11 F David Grun White Bear Lake 12 F Mike Hoeffel Hill Murray 11 F Nick Larson Hill Murray 11 F Mike Louwerse Blake School 11 F Tony McDonald Totino-Grace 11 F Bryant Skarda Hill Murray 12 F Jordan VanGuilder Centennial 12 F Dane Walters Como Park 11 Team Northwest Roster Pos. Name School Class G Eric Hartzell White Bear Lake 11 G Kent Patterson Blake School 10 D Spencer Campion Benilde-St. Margaret’s 12 D Brandon Graffunder Totino-Grace 12 D Drake Herd Breck 12 D Tyler Kieffer Stillwater 11 D Brandon Martell Elk River 11 D Chris Slavik Elk River 11 D Jared Smith Grand Rapids 12 F Brandon Brodhag Champlin Park 11 F Jordan Fulton Breck 12 F Garrit Hooker Osseo 12 F Andy Inderieden Breck 12 F Andrew Kappers Lakeville 12 F James (Jak) Knelman Academy of Holy Angels 11 F Lathan Logan Academy of Holy Angels 12 F Joseph Miller Wayzata 12 F Matthew Olson Blaine 12 F Brett Peterson Elk River 12 F Danny Sinn Blaine 12 F Dustin Skinner Andover 12 F Tyler Sura Totino-Grace 12 Team Southeast Roster Pos. Name School Class G Matt Beggs Rosemount 12 G Mark Guggenberger Benilde-St. Margaret’s 11 D Nick Canzanello Rochester Mayo 12 D Matt Erickson Burnsville 12 D David Fischer Apple Valley 12 D Mac Garceau Hill Murray 12 D Nick Jaskowiak Benilde-St. Margaret’s 11 D Mark Johnson Bloomington Kennedy 12 D Kyle Medvec Apple Valley 12 F Brandon Bahnemann Rochester Lourdes 11 F Alex Carlson Farmington 12 F Adam Estoclet Orono 11 F Garrett Grimstad Rochester Century 11 F Chris Hickey Cretin Durham Hall 11 F Ryan Hurley Academy of Holy Angels 12 F Joe Knoepke Rochester Century 11 F Matthew Lipinski Faribault 12 F Craig Mielke Woodbury 12 F Ky Moje Academy of Holy Angels 12 F Nick Oslund Burnsville 12 F Zachary Owen Rochester Lourdes 11 F Jordan Schroeder St. Thomas Academy 9

WBLBEARS06 · Post by **WBLBEARS06** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:47 pm

If Gabes playing time effected him last season why is he in the elite league. No offense to Gabe but shouldnt some one more deserving go then Gabe. Forget the favorites and be realistic. The curse lives on.....

shutout · Post by **shutout** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:50 pm

Who are the coaches this year? With Hartzell and Bell moving on they need at least 2 new coaches. I heard that they hired the former coach of the Tri-City Storm in the USHL, if so the people on that team may want to look into the reasons that he was let go!

mnhshock29 · Post by **mnhshock29** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:14 pm

Jim Hillman, Chris McAlpine and Joe Dziedzic take over for Sarner, Hartzell and Bell.

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:39 pm

for those interested in the way the elite league went this year, it was something like this......... out of the 120+/- Minnesota kids eligible kids playing in this league this year, 90 kids got outright invitations to play............another 110 or or so kid got invitations to compete for the other 20-30 spots.......there were two places for tryouts for those 110 kids, Bemidji and New Hope.......in the elite leagues's wisdom, numerous kid from the twin cities area were sent invitations indicating that if they wanted to try-out they needed to go to Bemidji......heaven forbid if more than one try-out would have been held in the twincities since that is where so many of the players are from but that's a whole different story.................my point is this.....there are some real valid questions being raised about who playing in this league and who's missing..........and for anyone to come back with a condescending response basically saying oh well, didn't make it? life is tough' so live with it, is spewing nothing but a bunch bunch of crap........I can go on, but no real need ......it's becoming pretty clear to many on how this program is being run

inthefairway · Post by **inthefairway** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:54 pm

Just curious, where are the big missing links here? Who got screwed? Who got a gift? The list looks pretty accurate to me? With the new coaches in the league, i thought the invitation and tryout process was done by some pretty good hockey guys. Granted, i was surprised by Guentzel and Student, but what else is the problem here?

puckhead89 · Post by **puckhead89** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:04 pm

I am not "in to" bashing who made it, but there are some missing links. I don't know how that can be totally avoided. But I think what everyone is generally dismayed with is the ever present saga of the power of politics in this system. It bites...period. If you are one of the lucky ones who plays for the right program, or has someone in the "system" your odds are better that you will make it further in these kinds of scenerios with less effort. Not to say that these kids who are listed aren't putting forth good effort, nor am I saying they aren't skilled and don't belong. But what I do feel very strongly about goes back to the million dollar question for those kids who happen to not be playing in the big name programs....they are required to be 150% better than any other player on the ice....and then if those judging feel it's a tie, the player from the big name program will always get the nod over the kid who comes from a no-name program. Add that to an already political basis, then you have something to complain about. Bottom line: Is there really a solution to getting a more fair selection process, or will then the next batch of people complain?

Iprefergolf · Post by **Iprefergolf** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:55 am

Hillfan.....do you know anything about hockey? I know that the reason Guentzal got to the elite league is because of his father. No other reason! There are so many other good defenseman out there that should have been there. This league is just another sham! It was suppose to be for mostly seniors and that isnt true anymore either. There is so much politicing going on it isnt funny. The leauge isnt credible anymore.....just a joke. Just like Hartzel trying to keep players in the league for all these years and now hes pulling them away. Come on, see it for what it is, a joke.

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:58 am

Like I said, sure Gabe is a nice player, but maybe he didn't deserve to get in, and yes you're probably right (I'm not the biggest fan of his father, but I'm sure he helps him out). Sometimes the coaches really don't do the best of jobs for picking players either.... I remember back in 2003 before the 2004 season, H-M goalie James Fangel was picked as an alternate on the team. Cameron Voss was in front of him and he just got lit up in the league, posting a GAA of about 4. James got a few games in, but obviously didn't get to be a full time player. He had a great senior year, and he nearly took Hill over the powerhouse Centennial in the section final. I personally thought he was deserving of a spot, but he never got it. I'm just saying that because sometimes coaches could have their favorites or more well known guys to pick.....<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... Hillfan</A> at: 7/11/05 8:01 am

NPGandyDancer · Post by **NPGandyDancer** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:19 am

gabe will shake off the bad karma and do fine. couple of observations. did playing in the elite II last year guarantee you a spot on elite I this year? if so, did you have to tryout to make a team or just get your walking papers from russo to a team lockerroom? surprised to see will mclain, duluth east, absent...what gives? anyway, it should be some excellent pre-season action to take in.

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:38 am

I know of a player that was in the Elite II as a sophmore and I do not see him on an Elite team roster for this year. I will talk to him tonight and see if he got an invite to a tryout or not. He is one of those kids that doesn't play for a big time program that needs to be 150% better than the well know program players. I think this kid as a junior would be at least second line on ANY team in the state and first line on a large majority of teams.

puckhead89 · Post by **puckhead89** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:59 am

Proof is in the pudding, right there. I bet you find out he wasn't even invited....and if he was, he didn't make it because the team was already picked. It's tough stuff to go through....but if any of you are players out there reading this, become better inspite of the politics, don't give up because of it.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:33 am

Elite 2 players were not given extra consideration. There is no relationship between the two leagues at this time. Some very good players turn down the opportunity to be in or to try out for the Elite League. For those complaining about Guentzel, I am curious if you were at either of the two tryouts. If not, is it not politics on your part to say he was selected because of (or inspite of) his father.

Ibleedgreen · Post by **Ibleedgreen** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:42 am

year after year the league becomes more of a joke than when it started. the rules are only made to make it appear that there are only deserving kids that get in. when i look at the kids that get in like guentzel, hartzel, and others you can always trace a tie to someone with contacts be it coaches, friends, former teamates, etc. no way is guentzel the caliber of player that belongs in this league........but that can be said for 50% of the rosters. since it's inception this league has portrayed itself to be "elite" when it is just another league for making money and elevating coaches and players whether they are deserving or not. when i look at players that have been passed over for this league for some of these hacks it just makes me laugh<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> .

Iprefergolf · Post by **Iprefergolf** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:09 am

I was at the tryout in Bemidgi and saw Gabe...did not stand out at all....also at model camp...maybe point. Lets get real, put in capable players with talent! I've been told that this league lost a bunch of sponsers and probably wont be around for to long. Its not the same as it was 2-3 years ago. I agree that 50% of the talent is there, but the rest is politics!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:19 am

As a lot of you know, I have been critical of the people who "over sell" this league. But, I think that we also have some posters who might be a tad on the over critical side. Are ther any really "elite" players who got passed over. There are a lot who arent there because they had better things to do but I havent heard of any gross injustice.

hcky0809 · Post by **hcky0809** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:48 am

Can someone who is better informed than myself on how these teams are formed explainthe geographical breakdowns? I see where there are 8 Holy Angels kids spread out amongst four teams. In addition, I noticed that there is a player from Lakeville and Grand Rapids on the Northwest team.

puckhead89 · Post by **puckhead89** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:54 am

We all know there are several elite players out there who are overlooked every year. We all know there are players on this league who are not elite players but are there because of their name or program or whatever. This is not something new. But there are definitely kids on that league who earned their right to be there also. You haven't heard of any gross injustice because the squeaky wheel gets the attention....those that would be hollering the loudest were likely named to the league.

Sioux Fan · Post by **Sioux Fan** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:20 pm

Elite is a funny term. What is an elitist.. I think it means not a realist....????? I think this is not very good method to get the best most competitive kids as there is not a way to see who competes in a tough camp that lasts may 4 or 5 sessions. 90 letters and a one day scrimmage tryout is not very effective way to find the young men who are going to compete and train and strive to get better. The training and toughness really shows on the 4th scrimmage of a weekend. I want to know how the letter getters are found. I have some outstanding young men who are seniors that will only get to participate in a partial season while 4 sophomores are in the elite program. They would be better served to get told what they need to do tomorrow to get to be a competitive player at the junior or College level and not told they are Elite. I think it is a political joke. I was pleased to see Matt Lipinski and the Carlson boy both make it from our area but to not see Tim Kirby, Nate Dunfee, Jay Gorman (who scored two goals in the championship game at the advanced 17 tourney) not make it. That bugs me as they had very good seasons with our Elite II Program. I think it is a shame that we can only play 4 seniors after this political process makes some of our best players feel like they are not good enough or shall we say (less than Elite). I believe that they should take it as a challenge and train harder and strive to have better seasons this fall and winter. I think they should take heart that in our Elite II program we will practice hard and play hard but if I keep 8 seniors they will only get to play half of the games for Elite II. I think the games are fun but the most important work is done in practice. I think good seniors should get consideration before juniors and sophomores due to the restriction in rosters in the Elite II program. I also think that we should work together so they know the kids that are training hard and go to the net and get in the corners and win battles. That may be the most important charecteristics in helping teams have success in juniors and college hockey. It is not about being Elite it is about being Real and figuring out how to keep it simple and play hard and smart. I am pleased that our area got more than 3 kids this year that is a plus. That is my sermon for today. Congratulations to the So MN boys in the Elite program Matt Lipinski Faribault. Brandon Bahnemann, Rochester Lourdes Garrett Grimstad, Rochester Century Joe Knoepke, Rochester Century Zach Owens, Rochester Lourdes Carlson, Farmington Canzanello, Rochester MN 6 is twice as many as usual. Hockey Nut in So. MN

Finn70 · Post by **Finn70** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:31 pm

I don't think it is possible to have a system in place that would make the critics happy with the elite league. No matter how the teams are chosen, somebody would find fault with something. Whether the critics have a legit beef or whether it is just because they just have an ax to grind, I don't know. Whether the elite league organizers pick the players via observations during the previous high school season or whether they have a handful of tryout sessions, there will always be some people out there that cry foul about some kid getting left out. I am glad I don't have to be a part of a selection process like that. It is basically a no win situation. But at least it is another opportunity for MN kids to play. Even if it isn't all of them. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... >Finn70</A> at: 7/11/05 12:33 pm

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