elite leaugue rosters

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:40 pm

A kid could just end up being like Niskanin from over on 'da range' by Virginia and say nope...it is football season and or nope...it is baseball season. All the way to a tender in Hockey at a D-1 school. Meaning if you are good enough the kids get noticed, just do not let Not making a team be your disappointment. In the big scheme of things it is a small challenge you can use to make yourself better, and most of you kids can look at it as the turning point in becoming better at what you want, be it hockey or trigonometry. No program is perfect and we all can do our pert to improve are various programs and associations, so lets get busy making the best programs possible.

ROYALELK · Post by **ROYALELK** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:44 pm

I think alot of people might be happy if they just changed the name , lose the "ELITE" ,call it what it is ,MN HighSchool Fall Hockey.

NPGandyDancer · Post by **NPGandyDancer** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:56 pm

elliot...thanks for your (accurate) spin. i understand the two leagues are independent of one another, in fact, i would wager elite II will bite the bullet before elite I. with all the fall leagues in operation elite II may not be the best option for many skaters, particularly, as you indicate, if it is not a direct conduit to elite I the following year. politics and behind the scenes glad-handing aside, elite I remains an excellent venue for those skaters who desire to advance to post high school play...junior b,a, d3, d1...whatever. lastly, i scanned the rosters today and was surprised to see aha field so many players...all offense! where are their two top d players? awol?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:13 pm

ROYALELK makes a good point, even if I have to hold the shift key down to type his name. The name is a sore point for a lot of people. Always has been.

stateofhockey20 · Post by **stateofhockey20** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:17 pm

hey iprefergolf, i was at the tyrout too in bemidji and i want to say where you watching the right game, guentzel had 3 points and 1 goal. thats one more than he had all year, so getting points obviously wasnt an issue at the tryout, and if his dad was so important in him being a part of the league why wasnt he at the tryout, i didnt see him there, and from what ive heard from some people is that his dad had nothing to do with getting him in the league, i overheard scotty bell at the tryout talking to someone about gabe saying that he deserves a tryout because the way he played at souix falls tryouts, so i wouldnt be saying that his dad did anything to get him in the league when a former coach of the league is saying he deserves to be in the league. i saw gabe play during the season and i have to say he has greatly improved since the last time i saw him and i think he deserves to play in the league.

Ibleedgreen · Post by **Ibleedgreen** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:30 pm

sounds good anyway mike

Trojan06 · Post by **Trojan06** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:16 pm

This league is definately a joke... IF you want to get your kid into the elite league send them to Blake,Breck, Benilde or Holy Angels you'll be sure to get in, we all know Rousso has a fetish with these schools. They say elite league but how can it be elite without the top players. How can you pass up a to be Senior who posted 60pts last year for a sophomore who had 10? I think its a joke. the sophomore has a couple more years, give a kid a shot at making it somewhere.... isnt that what the league is supposed to be doing, since it obviously isnt keeping the top players around anymore?? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... rojan06</A> at: 7/11/05 4:22 pm

juniorhockey · Post by **juniorhockey** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:25 pm

Instead of talking down on the players that made it. Why don't you name some people who you feel should have made the squad like 'Sioux' did? Sioux Fan, If your run independantly, why not just switch the rules of your league to accomadate the many Seniors who were missed? Last year was only your first year as a league and changing the rules would not be harmfull to your reputation.

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:57 pm

Correct me if I am wrong but, Don't some of the high school boys still play football? I have always heard that football coaches and the elite league doesn't mix well together. Maybe that is why you see some kids and not others.

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:24 pm

let's try this again,,,,,,,,,as I said a few days ago, the majority of the kids in this league are preselected....that includes kids that got an invite last year and even the year before........doesn't matter whether or not they have continued to improve and should actually get a return invite ......they just do.....why because they are connected..........and if you don't believe just start with St. Cloud Cathedral and keep researching......................as far as someone challenging who should be there that's not.....I'll go ahead and start with 3AA because that's what I'm most familiar with....where is Dimke & McMahon from Moundview? where is Fogerty from Forest Lake? where is Wieck from Roseville? where is Gunderson from Stillwater?.....all of these kids will be skating first line next year and had an "elite" year for their teams last year,any one of these kids can skate circles around the h-M "elite group...oh yeah, one other thing you might want to go back and check out the model camp rosters and see who's there but not on elite............also check out who was there....no scores, but the team that had all of H-M kids had thier butts handed to them just about every game........how do I know ,,I was there

outdoorrink · Post by **outdoorrink** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:20 pm

If I see the roster correctly, the H-M Model Camp group had young forwards compared to the rest of the teams. Also, how can you look at twelve teams of players in the Model Camp that is open to pretty much whoever sends in an application found in "Lets Play Hockey", to 5 or 6 teams in the Fall League. Do you think there will be Model players not in the Fall League? These posts come out every year when feelings are hurt.

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:20 am

I'll have to agree with outdoorrink. Young is the way to say it.

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:19 pm

definitely knew this was coming.........what's the nonsense about young players........are they not sophs just like so many of the other kids they now have to be compared against???.....or is it that you think it's unfair that Minnesota/USA hockey rules no longer applies and they (89' Januarys, Februrarys) can't continue to be compared against younger 89 kids that are mostly freshman...........get's old guys........can't have it both ways

puckhead63 · Post by **puckhead63** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:13 pm

Just a quick comment on the player selection for the league. 1). Players are nominated by their coaches - each coach is asked to nominate up to 4 players that they have on their team and 4 players that they have played against (from other teams). 2). Players are then reviewed by the 16 coaches and league staff 4 times throughout the season and after the Advanced training camps. 3). Then broken in to tryout players and roster players. Not a perfect art, but alot of effort is put in to it. Also, who ever made the comment that there are a number of elite players not on teams. Please note that many of those elite players not playing are either football or soccer players that are not able to commit to the Elite league at the level of committment that the Elite league wants them to play. Therefore, they are not there. Also, the league does take a hard look at every school, takes a look at the level of competition as well as player production againt various levels of comp. I agree, there is not perfect way of collecting the top 120 players in the state, but it is the best we can do.

BrokenStick06 · Post by **BrokenStick06** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:42 pm

puckhead63 thanks for the great post. I think many have wondered about the process. I'm curious though, it appears kids are evaluated thru their winter seasons so the candidates are made 6-7 months in advance, or did I read that wrong?

MNPuckster27 · Post by **MNPuckster27** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:48 pm

I dont mean this to be a shot at Schroeder, but I dont think he is ready to play in the elite league. He is without a doubt an outstanding hockey player, and has to be the best for his age in the state, but he is not physically ready to play in such a league. Also, even if I am wrong and Jordan shines in the league, it isnt right to have a ninth grader in the league. I wouldnt be suprised to see some older players take a run at him, being that he is the young gun with a lot of hype surrounding him. They probably should have given his spot to an older player and held him out of the league for one more year. I wish him the best of luck though and hope he does well and stays healthy, just have to question his selection.

puckhead63 · Post by **puckhead63** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:57 pm

BrokenStick6: The players are first evaluated mid season, then watched throught the balance of the season. Each meeting players grades are adjusted up or down based on how the faired through the end of the season. Then many of the players with some questions behind them are evaluated during the 16 & 17's. Hope that helps~!

Ibleedgreen · Post by **Ibleedgreen** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:21 am

puckhead: no way am i ever going to believe that there is that much effort put in to an evaluation process for this league. it is purely on coaches' recommendations and other arrangements made behind the scenes. for you to pretend otherwise is an insult to our intelligence or a very, very sad statement on the competency of the evaluators. if you are a favorite of your coach or have a connection (guentzel, hartzell, and there are many others), you are in. everytime you give a spot to a player in this category you potentially pass up a more deserving kid. it is all about opportunity and going back to associations and on up to the high school coaches, the elite league and beyond, those in charge decide who gets the opportunity. do a lot of deserving kids make it through this process? - absolutely but there are so many kids that get passed over because they are not a coach favorite or have a connection. their opportunity is given to someone else almost always because of a connection.

blackeye · Post by **blackeye** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:35 am

Jordan will do fine in the league. The problem I see is this is just an attempt by the league to have him compete before he leaves the state for Ann Arbor or someplace like that. Then the league will try and take all the credit for developing him.... like they often do. As we all know none of the top kids in this state would get to college or the pros without this league. Just ask the folks that post on behalf of the league here. I think Packerboy hit the nail on the head. The problem most people have with the league is the constant over hyping they do about the league. Russo and his cronies must have alot of broken arms patting themselves on the back so much. That is when he can get his arm out of the popcorn bag!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

Penalty Shot · Post by **Penalty Shot** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:55 am

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kenny06 · Post by **kenny06** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:00 am

question-- is the league for players who have proven themselves or is it for players with potential? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... kenny06</A> at: 7/13/05 9:26 am

wild77 · Post by **wild77** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:00 am

It is very tough to sit on the sidelines and read some of the moronic rantings of some posters. Open discussion about the tryout process or the manner in which the league is run is fine, I would even think it is welcome. The name calling and personal attacks are not warranted. I think the attacks actually reflect the popularity and competitiveness of the league. It is a shame that some people decide to attack and start the name calling instead of offering insight and solutions to perceived problems. Note......I said perceived. If you have a problem with the name Elite League, I am sure you have a problem with Model Camp and even Grand Rapids Indians.

Finn70 · Post by **Finn70** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:26 am

The selection process stated earlier sounds very plausible to me. It just seems to me that there are a few people out there who simply would never be happy. Maybe a few of the critics have an ax to grind of some sort. Like maybe a kid they are the father of or a kid they are a coach to is not given a spot so they feel like they have to rip the entire process. It reminds me of a few of the parents I saw when I grew up. Everybody knows the type: a big mouth who yells from the stands, they always think their kid is getting the shaft because they see their son as more talented than what he really is and this leads them to bitch every time their son is left off a team (whether a traveling team, a high school varsity team or a Select team). In a selection process like this, "beauty" is in the eye of the beholder. Its not like they judge kids on some test score. It is an I would rather trust the selection process to the way described earlier than to trust it to a few critics who likely have self serving motives to their complaints.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:06 pm

Finn, I agree with a lot of what you are saying but that doesnt mean politics arent playing a part in the team selection process. Anybody who has been around youth and high school hockey, or any other sport for that matter, has been exposed to the dad whose kid is ranked in the middle of the Bs thinking he should be on the A team. But on the same hand, anybody who has been around for a while has also seen some unfairness resulting from politics and /or nepotism etc. I dont think that all of the posters who are complaing are goofy dads whose kids didnt make the team. Some may have legitimate complaints. However, I have not seen a long list of 'elite' players who did not make it. I am no talent scout but I do follow HS hockey rather closely and I am not aware of any truly elite players who didnt get picked.

Sioux Fan · Post by **Sioux Fan** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:20 pm

Packerboy, Please define "truly Elite for me" I contend that these are talented but very green HS players that need to learn a lot about hard work and playing in tight spaces against other similarly talented young men. That will never change. "ELITE" What a nice name it is. I bet we don't have any "truly elite players" I bet they are not born, They are developed, Perception is important and being on the list of so called elite is an advantage. But it will not help you compete when you are in the corner in Tri-City or Sioux City in a couple of years. That has to be developed. Can someone do the research on + - for our elite players that do make USHL teams. It would shed some lite on the value of showing up and playing games vs practicing and learning how to be responsible in your own end and how to make plays in tough areas. This is the stuff these young men need to work on together. Hockey Nut in So. MNEdited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... xfan>Sioux Fan</A> at: 7/13/05 12:27 pm

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