Private schools with there own section

hillhockey
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private school section v. conference

Post by hillhockey » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:49 am

AHA is really good and it wouldnt be fair to other private schools if they were all in the same section, since at least for the next few years, they'll be the primary private school power. I do agree, however, that there should be a catholic conference. The SEC did not welcome cretin with open arms, and the only two schools in the CSC that said they would accept them were HM and STA...Plus it would make for even better rivalries. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Mayberry

Post by puckhead89 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:51 am

Sometimes the Mayberry programs of the world are donned this label because the talent that lies there is never tilled. <p></p><i></i>

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talented Mayberry kids

Post by diskman » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:54 am

OR...the talent moves from Mayberry to AHA! <p></p><i></i>

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Re: talented Mayberry kids

Post by puckhead89 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:56 am

Got that right. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Mayberry RFP

Post by packerboy » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:05 pm

Thats right Opey. <br><br>But, getting back to the thread, I thnk the worst part about the idea is it segregates these schools and kids and thats wrong.<br><br>Kids that go to these different kinds of schools are still just high school kids. <br><br>They shouldnt be part of a system that segregates and categorizes the schools. Didnt we get past that when we decided to open the MSHSL to all high schools in the mid 70s?<br><br>Lets move ahead..not backwards.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Mayberry RFP

Post by puckhead89 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:11 pm

Well said, Packerboy. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Mayberry

Post by PAMESH » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:25 pm

Talent is second to coaching. Obviously you can't take a bunch of Bantams and be a great High school team. But many coaches can take below average players and make them competative. <br><br>If Mayberry could find a coach that could do that then people will realize he/she can coach, kids will want to play for him, he/she will get good athletes, and he/she will win championships. He/She will have a good program for years to come. This is why Private schools can attract players. They bring in good coaches who create something out of very little by motivating kids. <br><br>Trebile wins because he is a great coach. He wins state tournaments because good hockey players want to play for him. I think everyone would agree that last year Moorhead was probably the most talented team in the state. AHA wins the title that is what a good coach can do. Getting them ready to play. Walking away from that game I blame much of that Moorhead loss on the coach he should have called a timeout allowed his starting goalie to get his thoughts back together and then sent him back out to finish what he started. <p></p><i></i>

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catagorizing?

Post by diskman » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:46 pm

I wouldn't be in favor of catagorizing or segregating teams either, just mixing it up once in awhile. What's wrong with that? I think it would be great to see AHA face Elk River or Eden Prairie or White Bear Lake in sections. Why not? Let Hill Murray play Edina or North St. Paul face Apple Valley. No one in the metro is that far away from each other. I don't know if you would want to change it up every year but you could go by the previous year's record to pick sections - kind of like the Xcel holiday tournament does. Maybe it's an off the wall idea but it sure would go far to offset the private vs. public debate. This way, no group has to face the same power house every year. They may have to face a different power house but not the same one. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: catagorizing?

Post by packerboy » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:17 pm

diskman, I understand the difference between what you propose and the original thread proposal. My last post was to the latter.<br><br>Your idea is a little hard to execute. Its hard to play musical chairs and not do as much harm as good. <br><br>Section realignment has occurred on a regular basis. Things are more cyclical than you might think. <br><br>It wasnt that long ago when people were thinking that Jefferson would win every championship for the rest of time. <br><br>AHA has made 5 state tournamnet appearances. Its a little too soon to start moving them around.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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musical chairs

Post by diskman » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:02 pm

I agree with your musical chairs comment. It would be difficult to change it up every year but it seems that there could be some change on a regular, systematic basis. Personally, now that my kids are done playing hockey, I just go to watch different teams play anyway. I would love to watch some different match ups. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: musical chairs

Post by hillhockey » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:12 pm

diskman, i think youre on to something. it may need some tweaking but i like it. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: musical chairs

Post by Zamman » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:29 pm

How about instead of AHA moving sections, other schools change sections. It was not long ago that the section 1 team came from just south of the river. Before that Rochester teams dominated the scene. Their demographics have changed too much.<br><br>I am just curious as a side note. How many kids come out for hockey at other schools and how about captains practices, how many there. I know how many AHA has. When I was at AHA fielding a team was pretty tough, now they can field three teams if needed and all three could compete..... <p>________________________________<br>Academy of Holy Angels<br>2005 GIRLS STATE CHAMPS!<br>2002 & 2005 BOYS STATE CHAMPS!!<br>GO STARS!!</p><i></i>

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Private Section = Private School Dream?

Post by Bart82 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:38 pm

I think a private section could actually work in favor of the private schools. If you have a stacked private school section, that sectional tournament could be better than the state tourney itself.<br><br>You could have a private school tourney in Duluth and it could become quite an event. Now that would be an attractive recruiting tool in and of itself!<br><br>The public schools may feel good about having only one private school, but then one could wonder if the "real state tourney" had been played two weeks earlier in Duluth!<br><br>I'm kind of sick of Holy Angels, too. But I was really sick of Jefferson for a long time as well. (Sats and Trebil could have a most annoying contest.) This too shall pass and the torch of dominance will be passed onto someone else.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... >Bart82</A> at: 10/19/05 4:40 pm<br></i>

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elliott

Post by war hock » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:15 pm

Did you happen to write a book recently? I think i night have seen you down in princeton last weekend.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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aha

Post by starsalum » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:36 pm

Packerboy hit the nail on the head. AHA had not been that dominate until the 2000's. They are riding a great ship right now thats headed by probably the best high school coach in the game. No one knows what can happen in the future, if Trebil leaves are the players going to want to make the drive to AHA to play for someone else? Great teams come and go and that will never end. And to the thread starter, no one likes a whiner, and nothing in life is going to be fair, sorry. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Private Section = Private School Dream?

Post by Zamman » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:46 pm

Having this so called tourney in Duluth would make absolutley no sense. Most of the teams are in the metro, besides maybe we should then take the top eight schools minus the privates and have them play for one section. That way some of the smaller schools will be able to go to St. Paul, oh and we could have that tourney in SW Minnesota. Makes no sense does it? <p>________________________________<br>Academy of Holy Angels<br>2005 GIRLS STATE CHAMPS!<br>2002 & 2005 BOYS STATE CHAMPS!!<br>GO STARS!!</p><i></i>

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Re: Private Section = Private School Dream?

Post by power92 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:29 pm

ARe you guys forgetting about 5a. Until Benilde moved most of the privates were in that section. AHA and Hill shouldn't count, because they play AA. DM and STA are the only ones that aren't in that section. So if you want to see questionably, the best A hockey in the state come to Parade at sections and you will see it. It would be nice to get Warroad in that section, then all the good teams would be there. Then you wouldn't even need a tourny for A right?<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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power92

Post by KodiakChew » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:47 pm

A little hostile there are we?! How's the living situation coming a long? Have you gotten that fat kid of yours in shape yet<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> DAD<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ! <br>But seriously, how are the Blake Bears looking this year and will section 5A be as good as usual? And will the Bears finally do something like win instead of complaining how tough there section is? Just some questions for ya. <p></p><i></i>

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Who doesn't make sense?

Post by Bart82 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:07 pm

Zanman, settle down. You miss my larger point. <br><br>Location doesn't matter. An all private school section tourney would be a major draw and that's something that the private school could sell - THAT's my point. (The private schools used play in their own state tourney - and yes - they played it in Duluth sometimes. That's the only reason that I mentioned it. I've spoken to players and coaches from that era and they thought it was pretty cool thing. But that was a long time ago!)<br><br>Hill Murray, Holy Angels, Benilde, Breck, Blake, Totino Grace, Cretin, St. Thomas Academy, etc. etc. - sounds like a pretty good tournament to me.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... >Bart82</A> at: 10/19/05 9:13 pm<br></i>

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Re: Who doesn't make sense?

Post by SB24 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:16 pm

we should go back to that if you ask me. <p>Play another sport if ya dont got what it takes to DangleMcFangle.</p><i></i>

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Another idea...

Post by PuckRanger » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:13 am

Perhaps the MSHSL should revert back to the 7 section system that was used until 1975. The 8th section (Section 3) was a "backdoor" section that was a playoff between all the section losers. Then if you have two of the states best in one section, the loser in the sectional game can play its way back into the state tournament by defeating some of the rest of the states better teams. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Another idea...

Post by Bart82 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:55 am

Puckranger - I couldn't agree more. A terrific thought.<br><br>You could get the best of both worlds - a geographic state tourney and you add another quality team to the field. <p></p><i></i>

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Puckranger

Post by MNPuckster27 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:04 am

I am usually a fan of keeping the system just like it is, and not tinkering with it anymore because of the great tournouts and games we have had under the two class system both in sections and at state. <br><br>But the more I think about it I like that idea, simply because the Twin City schools are becoming so big and the outstate schools so small (in AA hockey) that if you look at this coming season, you could in theory have an all twin city state tournament (Elk River/Forest Lake in 7AA, Buffalo/Moticello in 8AA, Lakeville in 1AA), and that would be bad for the tournament I think. <br><br>The 7 section "back door" format would create one totally northern section, as well as, in many years, the back door winner coming from the north as well (like last year we could assume that if Moorhead won the northern section, Duluth East takes the back door). You could also get Lakeville out of section 1 in this format and create a totally southern section as well. Making the state tournament geographically diverse as well as allowing one less team to play the "poor us" card of being stuck in a tough section.<br><br><br>And like Bart82 said you get the best of both worlds...<br> <p></p><i></i>

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WAR HOCK

Post by elliott70 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:48 am

Yes, Iwas in Princeton teh weekend of 10 15/16, and<br><br>yes I did - Northern Heat. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: WAR HOCK

Post by carpenter guy » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:47 am

The State Tournament was never set up to get the 8 best teams there. It's purpose was to cover the whole state. Hence, the name State Tournament. We will always have tough sections. All parts of the state should be represented. <p></p><i></i>

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