Can someone address the rule on this question?

BELOW 0 ZERO
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Can someone address the rule on this question?

Post by BELOW 0 ZERO » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:51 am

videoscout had a point, and the moorhead haters are trying to squash it.<br><br>EREmpireStrikesOut says get over it, but nobody answered the question:<br><br>what is the official ruling on this issue?<br><br>If the call was made to the goal judge, then the goal judge had to look at video replay up in the press box. that's what the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p074.ezboard.com/fmnhsfrm1.showM ... pic">video goal judge</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> does; they review the replay.<br><br>for the sake of truth and fairness, why wasn't this done?<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... rassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> the horse is moving it's <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>right</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> leg ....... why isn't it dead yet? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Can someone address the rule on this question?

Post by MNPuckster27 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:54 am

On the phone the goal judge can just look to see if the puck crossed the line. That wasnt really the debate, so no call was needed. <p></p><i></i>

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Can't someone address the rule on this question?

Post by bluesbuddy » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:13 am

yewz still 'avn't ansered da qweshun.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> mah-self wood lack ta knowz dis won two!! <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Can't someone undress the fool on this resurrection?

Post by RMK1979 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:40 am

Final call is up to the official on the ice at the high school level. With college and pro teams having mandatory reviews (WCHA final five will automatically review all close calls)...in this case their is an official in the review booth who makes the call. High school refs can ask the goal judge whatever they want but the final call is up to the ref. <p></p><i></i>

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Goal or not

Post by hockeyxprt » Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:30 am

They lost by two goals, folks. Kinna makes the ruling on one particular goal irrelevent, don't you think? Better luck next year. <p></p><i></i>

Kodiak
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Empty Netter

Post by Kodiak » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:14 am

XPRT, the last goal was an empty netter... Moorhead doesn't pull the goalie in a tie game! <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Empty Netter

Post by cdhockeyfan » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:23 am

if that questionable goal would have gone in, wouldnt Holy Angels still be up one goal? whos to say Moorhead would have tied that game up if that goal counted? maybe AHA would have played a lot tougher and put another one in. <p></p><i></i>

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Another thing...

Post by Kodiak » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:23 am

I've been away from the board for a few days, so I'm sure this has been talked about, but the ref in this game decided that he wanted to be the star, and that's just wrong. First of all, it was a bad/wrong call. Second, if it's that close, you don't make that call, especially in the state championship game. Plus he stood there, looked at the puck in the net, thought about it for a minute, then made the "no goal" call... it really looked like he was guessing. Moorhead got screwed out of that goal, plain and simple. If the ref's gotta guess on that one, you give them the goal! Bad call, that guy should feel shame! Too bad the other ref or the linesman didn't have the seeds to overrule the call! <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Empty Netter

Post by EREmpireStrikesBack » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:25 am

They also don't have a tie game at the time of the disputed goal.<br><br>For the record: The call in the Totino game was made to the goal judge (the person behind the net) to see if the puck went in. The referee then uses that info to make his final call. There is no video replay, there is no "going up top". In the AHA game, the goal judge does not have the call as to whether or not it is a high stick. His only call is whether or not the puck crossed the goal line. They could have called him after that goal if they wanted to, but they had made the call of high sticking so it didn't matter if the puck had crossed the goal line because the ref had determined that it was played with a high stick. Referees make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Its life, most learn to live with it, some can't seem to live with it. It's over <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... lasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls</p><i></i>

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But...

Post by Kodiak » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:34 am

EREmpire (congrats to your team by the way... I'm really impressed by how hard they play... they could have won this tournament!), you don't make that call at that time of the championship game. You call the goal, it's a one goal game, and maybe Moorhead scores again to tie it up, and maybe they don't. You're right, no going "upstairs" in high school hockey, but the other ref could have told him that his call was bogus, or he should have asked, because it was clear that he was unsure. You just don't make that kind of a call in the championship game! It was obvious that he didn't know what to call at first, then flipped the coin in his head and called "no goal". The guy took the game out of the players hand, making himself the most important person on the ice... not a sign of a good ref. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: But...

Post by packerboy » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:44 am

Da Spuds need to look to other things when evaluating why they lost. It cant be blamed on the refs. <br><br>But "the call" cant be dismissed as a non factor. The fact of the matter is they scored their 4th goal with the goalie pulled with about a minute left. <br><br>That would have been the 5th goal but for "the call'. There is no doubt that the goalie would have been pulled at that point in the hockey game if the scoe was 5-4. <br><br>Again, goaltending and refusal to adapt to AHAs defensive scheme were the keys but "the call" played a big part.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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But...

Post by bigcurve961 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:49 am

Apparently most of the posters on this one have never been in a situation that required a quick decision based on what happened in a "real time" sequence. As for other officials stepping in, since they are 60 to 70 feet away it would be difficult for them to offer up something more beneficial than the guy standing 5 feet away. Unless they were asked, of course.<br><br>The teams played great in both championship games. Don't tarnish that any further by the constant speculation on what might have been. There are questionable calls in every game of the season, depending on which side of the win/loss you're on. <br><br><br>All in all, the games were great and in the end someone is always going to be dissapointed.. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: But...

Post by Hooligan23 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:55 am

I agree with you 100% packerboy. The Spuds can't blame this loss on the ref, but it did play a big factor. And now we will never know what would have happened if the right call would have been made. Personally, I think it would have gone to O.T. And as for AHA playing tougher if it was only a one goal lead? Come on, they are playing for the state championship late in the game and are getting outshot by more than 2-1. AHA was hanging on for their dear lives. They were playing as tough as they could. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: But...

Post by kerryfraserguy » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:14 am

keep in mind----all three referees got it wrong...the work as a tream and never discussed it. can't blame the deep guy<br><br>in a game of that magnitude....you could have taken the time to discuss it..or even looked like you discussed.... <p></p><i></i>

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Nothin gets white washed here

Post by packerboy » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:16 am

bigcurve, Dont sell the posters short. A lot have played, coached and officiated hockey and other sports. <br><br>We arent tarnishing anything. We are continuing to discuss what happened. On this board, nobody gets a free pass. If its a bad call, we will call it what it is.<br><br>Forget about the rhetoric.....whadya think of the call?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Nothin gets white washed here

Post by Chris J » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:26 am

We can debate "What Ifs", but in my opinion it was a bad call. I don't know how much contact was made before the puck crossed the goal line, but whatever the amount it was NOT done with a high stick. <br><br>I was pulling for AHA, so I don't have a "Moorhead Agenda" regarding this. I don't know what options the officiating crew had with the decision, but waving off the goal because it was scored with a high stick was incorrect. Whatever else, the call on the ice was wrong. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Nothin gets white washed here

Post by Whatwillwork » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:29 am

I think everyone knows the call was missed. We've all seen these calls go for and against teams we cheer for, though I still believe that great teams don't let ref's become a factor. All I see is IF it had counted it they would have tied, well IF they hadn't got behind in the first place they wouldn't have been in that position in the first place.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Nothin gets white washed here

Post by bigcurve961 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:31 am

After the 42,000 slow motion replays it's clearly wrong. First off, the high sticking rule is above the cross bar in high school hockey. Second, there was a question as to any contact being made for a while.<br><br>When it happened, it "appeared" to be the correct call. If you have officiated any higher level games, and been in that position you have to go with your intuition. In a game like this, that is a tough deal. <br><br>It would have been nice to have a consensus between the officiating team, but I don't think there was any doubt on the ref's part down low. If there was, he would have asked his partners. Remember, part of the criteria for making it to this tournament is coaching input during the season. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Nothin gets white washed here

Post by kerryfraserguy » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:33 am

politics boys...it happens in the selection of referees too!!!<br><br>goal judges are only responsible whether the puck crossed the goal line....that is why i still can't understand why they need goal judges in the NHL..they are of no use....every goal is reviewed by technology anyway before it counts<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... aserguy</A> at: 3/7/05 10:34 am<br></i>

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Re: Nothin gets white washed here

Post by MN Referee » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:08 am

The official made a bad call, he missed it. He could have consulted with the goal judge, his linesman or other referee before making the call. Moorhead, instead of bitching and whining should have asked him to speak with the goal judge and maybe things would have been different. <br><br>KUDOS to Dave Morinville he was man enough to stand up and say that the missed call didn't matter, they lost because they played poorly which is the bottom line. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Nutt'in gitz a face-lift here

Post by bluesbuddy » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:12 am

two tings:<br><br>1. Y didn't da excellent energetic center show da replay on da <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>big screen</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> so coach moronville, 'an da rest uv da 18,000+ fanz could see itz.<br><br>mah-self willz tell yewz why. becuz dare wuz a biased agenda, 'an da person hoo wuz responsible fer show'in replays on da big screen didn't do itz becuz he knew it would incite a riot 'an prove da referee's were rong.<br><br>2. slackerboy didn't 'av a clue in hiz previous post describing da time line wit goals 4 & 5 by merehead. [yah ---- dey scored 5 timez].<br><br>furst uv allz dare wuz over 3 minutes left when merehead scored da conroversial goal da wood 'av it 5-4. dis wood 'av put intense pressure on da hellz angelz, much more den if dey had a two goal lead wit dat much timez remaining.<br><br>merehead woodn't 'av pulled dare goalie wit 'oer a minute left. dey wood 'av untilz 'bout 30-40 seconds left in regulatory time, depend'in on da territory 'an controlz uv da puck at da timez.<br><br>dey wood 'av tied da game 5-5 wit 1:01 remain'in, den ---- hellz angelz being so shook up, 'an being outplayed so badly definately wood 'av folded up like a cheap card table 'an most likely lost in regulationz, let alone overtimez.<br><br>dat call wuz <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>uncalled</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> for.<br><br>plane 'an thimple.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> butt --- da hellz angelz one da game 'an congratz iz long overdue fer deeze fine young men! <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... esbuddy</A> at: 3/7/05 11:14 am<br></i>

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an anudder ting ----

Post by bluesbuddy » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:32 am

'an anudder ting --- merehead willz git over dis call like da media gitz over da fax dat bury bonds/marx magwirez/slammy sosa stole da home runz record frum fargo/merehead'z ad's own, roger maris cuz da use of illegal steroidz/drugz.<br><br>we live in a world uv cheaterz 'an doze dat don't wanna dealz wit da tooth!<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> olson, olson 'an federowski willz 'av ta live wit it, dat'z all. <p></p><i></i>

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Yewz gotz dat wright!

Post by slapshooter » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:41 am

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Re:

Post by Knowlze » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:47 am

Officials make mistakes, just like players, coaches, parents, fans, etc.<br><br>However, in that critical situation in a championship game, you have to take the time and consult your colleagues. The call may not have been changed. But as an official, you have to put your arrogance aside, and make every effort by the officiating team, to make sure the call is right, or at least agreed upon by all officials on the ice.<br><br>If one guy is going to take charge of a critical call like that, what purpose are the other two? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Nothin gets white washed here

Post by runtsrule » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:01 pm

His Partner (his Dad), should have come in and all agreed they saw the same thing. They should have concurred that they all saw the same or didn't see. As KFG says, at least sell it. He had it right in front of him, 4ft is the standard and the cross bar is right there. He should not have missed the call. Did it loose the game for the Spuds, no.<br>Coaches input about refs, yes to a degree, not the end all.. <p></p><i></i>

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