Psssst, don't look now, the USHL is watching you...

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:17 am

1993's
Dylan Stolt - Albert Lea - F
Derrick Smith - Apple Valley - D
Braden Devescovi - Bemidji - F
Jeremiah Graves - Bemidji - G
Christian Horn - Benilde-St. Margaret - F
Evan Peterson - Benilde-St. Margaret - F
Patrick Stienhauser - Benilde-St. Margaret - F
Ryan Bullock - Blake - F
Austin Rudnick - Breck - D
Nate Traina - Breck - F
Cory Chapman - Burnsville - F
Sean Madigan - Burnsville - D
Alex Borell - Champlin Park - D
John McDonald - Champlin Park - F
Jack Storo - Chaska - F
Chase Jokinen - Cloquet - D
Barbato Tony - Cretin - F
Judd Peterson - Denfield - F
Andy Welinski - Duluth East - D
Michael Zajac - Eagan - F
Bryce Gustafson - Eastview - F
Luc Gerdes - Eden Prairie - F
Dan Molenaar - Eden Prairie - D
Des Shavlik - Eden Prairie - F
Nick Seeler - Eden Prairie - D
Steven Fogarty - Edina - D
Matt VanVoorhis - Edina - D
Andrew Capra - Edina JV - D
Ben Ostlie - Edina JV - F
Max Everson - Edina - D
Michael Sit - Edina - F
Austin Nelson - Hastings - F
Brian Leblanc - Hermantown - D
Garrett Skribich - Hermantown - F
Nicholas DeCenzo - Hibbing - F
J.D. Cotroneo - Hill Murray - D
John Phillippi - Hill Murray - D
Duke Pieper - Hill Murray - D
Ben Bahe - Hill Murray - F
Kevin Schulze - Hill-Murray - D
Kevin Becker - Hill-Murray - F
James Controneo - Hill-Murray - D
Cullen Hurley - Holy Angels - F
Joseph LaBate - Holy Angels - F
Mike Reilly - Holy Angels - D
Travis Boyd - Hopkins - F
Ryan Skeens - Lakeville North - D
Tanner Jordan - Mahtomedi - F
Marshall Sawyer - Mahtomedi - G
Dan Carlson - Maple Grove - F
Ryan Coyne - Maple Grove - G
Tyler Dunagan - Maple Grove - F
Conor Andrle - Minneapolis Park - F
Francisco Hardacker - Minneapolis Park - F
Eric Baskin - Minnetonka - F
Derek Frawley - Minnetonka - F
Joe Shuldt - Minnetonka - D
Thomas Shutt - Minnetonka - D
Alex Glockner - Minnetonka - G
Nicholas Oxton - Moorhead - D
Nicholas Hinz - North St. Paul - D
James Wagoner - Owatonna - F
Kyle Krueger - Prior Lake - F
Ryan Nicolay - Rochester - F
Sammy Effinger - Roseville - D
Jake McCann - Roseville - F
Jesse Poznikowich - South St. Paul - F
Austyn Young - South St. Paul - F
Nick Auman - Spring Lake Park - D
Mitch Hall - St. Cloud Tech - F
Matt Hansen - St. Cloud Tech - F
Brandon Reinholz - St. Cloud Tech - F
Max Hommeyer - St. Paul Academy - D
Peter Kreiger - St. Thomas - F
Matt Kroska - St. Thomas - F
Matt McNeely - St. Thomas - G
Eric Schurhamer - St. Thomas - D
Taylor Fleming - St. Thomas - D
Blake Dochniak - Stillwater - F
Brady Meunier - Thief River Falls - F
Cole Salewski - Totino Grace - D
Tony Cameranesi - Wayzata - F
Tanner Jensen - Wayzata - F
Max Birkinbine - White Bear Lake - F
Grant Schow - Willmar - F

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:56 am

Is the NWSC talent down that much? - Or is this a throw away list?

RushnCircles · Post by **RushnCircles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:00 am

it would be interesting to see a freshman/soph. breakdown. Zach McCarver from n.s.p. was up in st. cloud last summer - surprised his name is not here. Is LaValle from h.m. a 93 or 94 ? I am pretty sure the mahtomedi goalies first name is Sawyer, not his last name. And if you go to the Fhit Hockey program, I think you are already under the watchful eye of the ushl.

Does anyone know if the Fhit program is available out state?

RushnCircles · Post by **RushnCircles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:05 am

good point bodangles

isn't Hughes from cent. a 93

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:02 am

I didn't create the list, USHL Central Scouting did.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:14 am

Didn't think so - They need some better scouts!!!!!!!!

Doglover · Post by **Doglover** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:04 pm

What's the matter BoDangles, your kid not on it?? Everyone else is

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:27 pm

My oldest is 8 ..........It's just amazing their are no Blaine, Centennial, or Elk River kids on the list, and then there are 5-7 on other teams ????????? Gotta give credit where credit is due I guess.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:35 pm

No I take it back - They need some better scouts ????????

jumper4 · Post by **jumper4** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:38 pm

RushnCircles wrote:it would be interesting to see a freshman/soph. breakdown. Zach McCarver from n.s.p. was up in st. cloud last summer - surprised his name is not here. Is LaValle from h.m. a 93 or 94 ? I am pretty sure the mahtomedi goalies first name is Sawyer, not his last name. And if you go to the Fhit Hockey program, I think you are already under the watchful eye of the ushl.

Does anyone know if the Fhit program is available out state?

Zach LaValle is a 94 I believe...he is in 8th grade.

Factsmatter1 · Post by **Factsmatter1** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:41 pm

Dangles, stop making a fool of yourself online.

This may be the only non-joke list in Minnesota since the livlihood of these scouts depends on them identifying talent early. With this said it is still early and there will be lots of change over the next few years. BTW, the USHL scouts will be the first to tell you this. This list isn't a 100% predicter of D1 advancement and shouldn't be interpreted that way. It is however, generally a very good list of current top talent at the stated age level that in the opinion of the USHL Scouts has the POTENTIAL to play D1 if they keep developing... and as the USHL will tell you they don't get sidetracked on drugs, booze, girls or screwed up by clueless parents... which unfortunately will happen to a lot of kids on this list based on history.

and to the point that a kid who was in St. Cloud isn't on the list... ... and you are surprised... The Minnesota Advanced Program's goal is to identify the best 20 kids in each district/section and that does not always translate into identifying the best 100 kids (most potential) in the state which is clearly the USHL's goal... i.e. lots of kids from big districts don't make it yet would be in top 5 in smaller weaker districts and that's assuming the district advanced process is consistently applied across districts which it isn't. Everyone in the state knows this so sorry to burst your bubble...

And by the way the USHL scouts will also tell you that the rate of change between 15-19 for boys is the most in a kids development.

...and by the way there are is a mistake or two in terms of birth year and the USHL will be the first to admit they haven't seen every kid skate in the state of Minnesota but chances are they know about most of them...
The USHL's convert rate of kids to D1 from their league 80+ % is the only testimony that matters... not yours or mine for that matter.

...so don't be-little this list because you incriminate yourself when you do...

Nonamer · Post by **Nonamer** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:02 pm

Thanks for the accurate clarification Factsmatter 1. Tons of variables which affect these youngsters...who's to say which will make it to the next level. Their future is in their own hands.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:29 pm

Factsmatter1- "The USHL is the the first to admit" - Straight from the horses arse, way to contradict "FOOL"

CB00 · Post by **CB00** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:08 pm

This list came from USHL Central Scouting. This is only 93's. I don't believe there are any Bantams on this list, even though there are many 93's still playing Bantams. A 92 and 94 list is to come out later in February.

hockeyhair15 · Post by **hockeyhair15** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:01 pm

how many kids made this list based on their last names?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:07 pm

It's all becoming clear now, I've been told there are alot of well known scout's that live in the Edina area (get good info at HS hockey games). Explains the Edina-6 Minnetonka-5 Eden Prarie-4 - 15+ other good programs zippo thing. At least good hockey(NWSC)(Northland) wins out over bad politics(lakes)in the end. I would also like to congratulate the Pioneers-7 on their wonderful recruiting class ...........Go ahead bring it on!

mch · Post by **mch** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:53 pm

CB00 wrote:This list came from USHL Central Scouting. This is only 93's. I don't believe there are any Bantams on this list, even though there are many 93's still playing Bantams. A 92 and 94 list is to come out later in February.

the minneapolis park kids, hardacker and andrle, must be bantams

cchky · Post by **cchky** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:34 am

I would have to agree with MrBoDangles. No one from Centennial, Blaine, either there is no scout in the NE metro or they just can't evaluate talent. The Goalie from Mahtomedi is Sawyer Marshall.

Blue&Gold · Post by **Blue&Gold** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:39 am

Many of the kids on this list will never see the USHL, or D1 for that matter. And many kids NOT on the list WILL see USHL and D1 opportunities. It's just a snap-shot of the scouts' opinions at any one time.

If you want your kid to be seen by these scouts when it matters, get them into the Elite League and the Advanced 15,16,17 stuff. If they don't make those, then make sure they play their arse off in every league that they play in as these scouts aren't looking for kids who, "if given the opportunity", can do better. They are looking for the kids who can play even when the going is tough.

Also note that every year several "late-bloomers" show up and get drafted, and play in, the USHL and make committments to D1 programs. Don't get all concerned about lists, they aren't as important as playing well.

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:52 am

MrBoDangles wrote:It's all becoming clear now, I've been told there are alot of well known scout's that live in the Edina area (get good info at HS hockey games). Explains the Edina-6 Minnetonka-5 Eden Prarie-4 - 15+ other good programs zippo thing. At least good hockey(NWSC)(Northland) wins out over bad politics(lakes)in the end. I would also like to congratulate the Pioneers-7 on their wonderful recruiting class ...........Go ahead bring it on!

That would be only 5 for Hill as the list has both
J.D. Cotroneo - Hill Murray - D and James Controneo - Hill-Murray - D same kid.

Also has this young man who is still dealing with his unfortunate medical condition.
Duke Pieper - Hill Murray - D

So I would say that is a list from last summer that hasn't been updated at all.

MoveYourFeet · Post by **MoveYourFeet** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:54 am

No 93's from D10- J. Hughes is a 92 along with Lovick. The only Centennial player on the list is Salewski and he is enrolled at Grace. The Rileys, Colvards, Brudzinskis etc.. might be late bloomers, maybe they are not involved in Fhit, maybe they have not been to the exposure camps. A lot of maybes, call and let the staff know about the Blaine, Cent and the rest of the 93 talent in D10.

You have to toot your own horn sometimes to get invited to the party.

boardguy1998 · Post by **boardguy1998** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:56 am

Hear is last years 92 list rated by the USHL scouts, make up your own mind how accurate they are.

4: Player is an absolute super star and there is no question he will play in the NHL.

3: Player will be an NHL draft pick and a top end player in Division 1 NCAA college.

2: Player is an outstanding player and will play NCAA Division 1 college hockey. Several of these players will also turn out to be NHL draft selections.

1: Player brings a talent or quality to the game, that may allow him to play NCAA Division 1 college hockey or be an NHL draft selection, and therefore must continue to be scouted.

DeCowsky Cal 1.5 Andover
Kuha Brandon 1.5 Andover
Ekman Jay 1.5 Andover MN
Ray Matt 1 Andover MN
Fisher Chris 1 Apple Valley
Robson Adam 1 Apple Valley
Meyers Jacob 1.5 Benilde St. Margaret's
Daly Patrick 1 Benilde St. Margaret's
Patterson Brett 1 Benilde St. Margaret's
Bjugstad Nick 2 Blaine
Richart Taylor 1.5 Blaine
Scheid Eric 1.5 Blaine
Pauluk Jeffrey 1 Blmgton Jefferson
Gaughin Joshua 1.5 Buffalo MN
Witchow Eddie 1.5 Burnsville
Flynn Jacob 1.5 Centennial
Hughes James 1 Centennial
Nash Vince 1.5 Champlin Park
Meyer Nolan 1.5 Duluth BA
Forbort Derek 3 Duluth East
Lutzka Kyle 1.5 Duluth East
Muck Danny 1.5 Eagan
Smith Max 1.5 Eastview
O'Shea Ryan 1.5 Eastview HS
Ford Andrew 1.5 Eden Prairie
Rau Curt 1.5 Eden Prairie
McCartan Jack 1 Eden Prairie
Rau Kyle 1 Eden Prairie
Rogge Mitch 1 Eden Prairie
Clark Jason 1 Eden Prarie
Cutshall Ryan 1.5 Edina
Jarrett David 1.5 Edina
Merritt AJ 1.5 Grand Rapids
Skrbec John 1.5 Grand Rapids
Hady Connor 1.5 Hermantown
Bannor Chad 1 Hermantown
Bruchu David 1.5 Hill Murray JV
Ablan Ryan 1 Holy Angels
Westerlund Joncarlo 1 Lake of the Woods
Johnson Nick 1.5 Lakeville North
Brevig Drew 1.5 Lakeville South
Leef Jackson 1 Lansing Capitals
Marshall Ben 2 Mahtomedi
Adams Charlie 1.5 Mahtomedi
Zurn Brandon 1 Mahtomedi
Campbell Matt 1.5 Mankato West
Norenberg Rick 1.5 Maple Grove
Horton Alec 1 Maple Grove
Wichelmann Chase 1 Minnehaha Academey
Gardiner Max 2 Minnetonka
Kruger Jim 2 Minnetonka
Buckellew Quin 1.5 Moorhead
Marks Logan 1.5 Moorhead
Lapic Darren 1.5 New Prague
Bonner Timothy 1.5 Osseo
McMorrow Kevin 2 Park Rapids MN
Mensing Josh 1.5 Red Wing
Knochenmus Adam 1.5 Roseau
Loew Brady 1 Rosemount
Debace Thomas 1 Roseville (MN)
Faulk Justin 1.5 South St. Paul
Wilcox Adam 1.5 South St. Paul
Koopmeiners Alex 1 St. Cloud Cathedral
Benik Joey 1.5 St. Francis
Rubbelke Joe 1 St. Paul Johnson
Liau Jonathan 1.5 St. Paul's
Crandall Justin 1.5 St. Thomas (MN)
Schroeder Zach 1.5 St. Thomas (MN)
Isackson Christian 3 St. Thomas Academy
Gavin Noah 2 St. Thomas Academy
Altrichter Kurt 1 St. Thomas Academy
Reid AJ 1 St. Thomas Academy
Krieger Carl 1.5 Tartan
O'Sullivan Casey 1.5 Tartan
Pavelich Sean 1.5 Tartan
McKee Jake 1 Tartan
Parnell Micheal 1.5 Totino Grace
Hockert Joey 1 Totino Grace
Higginbotham Alex 1.5 Wayzata
Jones DJ 1.5 Wayzata
Tabery Bryan 1.5 Wayzata
Jensen Tanner 1.5 Wayzata BA
Gaede Max 1.5 Woodbury
Gehert Jonathon 1.5 Woodbury
Herbert Andrew 1.5 Woodbury
Nowicki Tyler 1.5 Woodbury

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:24 am

MoveYourFeet-- "You have to toot your own horn sometimes to get invited to the party"(nailed it). The horns are a blazin in the Edina area, gold encrusted to boot.

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:28 am

MoveYourFeet wrote:maybe they are not involved in Fhit etc.. A lot of maybes, call and let the staff know about the Blaine, Cent and the rest of the 93 talent in D10.

Rushncircles wrote:And if you go to the Fhit Hockey program, I think you are already under the watchful eye of the ushl.

District 10 has numerous players that are part of fhit's program. Fhit has a primary location at the Blaine super rinks so they are certain to see many of the players from Blaine, Centennial and the rest of the area.

The fhit/ushl scouts go to numerous games during the season to 'scout' the best players and say that they promote players to the ushl so if someone isn't a member of fhit shouldn't matter (unless your saying that they'd deliberately blackball a good player that doesn't use their program). Given that the Blaine super rink has 8 hockey rinks and the fhit headquarters for the area, I would guess that fhit is there quite a bit so they should have seen a large number of these players at tourneys or other league games.

So if Blaine, Centennial and other D10 teams are not well represented the talent level must not be as good -or- perhaps fhit doesn't have as good of a direct connection to the ushl scouting program as everyone seems to imply?

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:51 am

Before you go spouting off you should look at the USHL website. Go to the Scouting Staff section and you will see 4-5 FHIT instructors listed as scouts for the USHL. I will not give out the names as some of you guys are nuts!

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