ELITE LEAGUE TRYOUTS

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:05 pm

The Elite league released their tryout rosters and the tryouts started today. It says on their site that it is INVITE ONLY so these are the players they've asked to tryout. From these players they'll fill in the final spots on their teams. Looking at the list below it looks like a lot of talented players are fighting for limited spots. The South tryouts are Saturday and the North tryouts are on Sunday.

2009 TEAM A – SOUTH

Andrew Ford, G Eden Prairie 11
Alex Gierke, G Tartan 12
Tom Mitchell, D Monticello 12
Lucas Whelan, D Wayzata 12
Kevin Schulze, D Hill-Murray 11
Chase Loken, D Eden Prairie 12
Derek Smith, D Apple Valley 10
Luke Hendrickson, D Burnsville 12
Nicholas Raehsler, D Rochester Century 11
Brandyn Chezick, F Rochester Lourdes 12
Jack McCartan, F Eden Prairie 11
Riley Borer, F Breck 12
Tyler Nowicki, F Woodbury 12
Michael Morin, F Breck 12
Patrick Steinhauser, F Benilde 11
Chris Fischer, F Apple Valley 12
Garrett VanTuyl, F Champlin Park 11
Brady Loew, F Rosemount 11
Josh Gaughan, F Buffalo 11

2009 TEAM B – SOUTH

Bodhi Engum, G Burnsville 11
Matt Ray, G Andover 12
Rory Vesel, D Rochester Lourdes 11
Joe Graveline, D St. Thomas 12
Buzz Tryggeseth, D Buffalo 12
Ian Hahn, D Eagan 12
Michael Parnell, D Totino Grace 12
Mark Rath, F Eden Prairie 11
Donald Chute, F Blake 11
Justin Parizek, F Lakeville South 12
Jack Storo, F Chaska 10
Ross Luedtke, F Orono 11
Patrick Noesen, F Red Wing 12
Wilson Housley, F Stillwater 12
Andrew Anderson, F Rosemount 12
Ben Jaremko, F Elk River 12
Timothy Bonner, F Osseo 11
Jesse Perron, F Cretin-Derham Hall 12
Nick Eisenmenger, F Windom 12

2009 TEAM C – SOUTH

Tommy Burke, G Holy Angels 12
Ryan O’Shea, G Eastview 12
Steven Sorensen, D Chaska 12
Mike Reilly, D Holy Angels 10
Rick Norenberg, D Maple Grove 12
J.D. Cotroneo, D Hill Murray 11
Ben Gislason, D Breck 12
Andrew Herbert, D Woodbury 12
Adam Robson, D Apple Valley 12
Zach Wilkinson, F Chaska 12
Travis Seurer, F Lakeville South 12
Joe Bartlett, F Maple Grove 12
Kirby Quebodeaux, F Park Cottage Grove 11
Zach Schroeder, F St. Thomas 10
Adam Smyth, F Burnsville 12
Ben Wiegand, F Stillwater 12
Sean Lipinski, F Faribault 11
Bob Kinne, F Cretin-Derham Hall 11
Scott Holm, F Wayzata 12
Jeff Anderson, F Mounds View 12
Cory Lushanko, F Chisago Lakes 11

2009 TEAM D – SOUTH

Johnny Ankeny, G Edina 12
John Russell, G Breck 12
Danny Fick, D Forest Lake 12
Chris Benson, D Spring Lake Park 12
Michael Mooney, D Breck 12
Taylor Fleming, D St. Thomas 10
Zach Adams, D New Prague 11
Tim Kuzniar, D Lakeville North 12
Bryant Christian, F Moorhead 10
David Rath, F Eden Prairie 11
Neil Hultgren, F Bloomington Kennedy 12
Tommy Lundquist, F Minnetonka 12
Jake McKee, F Tartan 12
Tony Cameranesi, F Wayzata 11
Eric Bradley, F Moundsview 12
Eric Miller, F Redwood Valley 11
Tony Barbato, F Cretin-Derham Hall 11
Tyler Heinonen, F Delano 11
Ryan Bullock, F Blake 11
Trevor Mikacevich, F South St. Paul 12

2009 TEAM A – NORTH

Brett Larsen, G, Centennial
Alex Lyon, G, Lake of the Woods
Mark Bittner, D, Crookston
Taylor Hedlund, D, Roseau
Derek Sand, D, West Fargo
Jake Bushey, D, Duluth Marshall
Jeremy O’Keefe, D, Grand Forks Central
Garrett Schmitz, D, Red Lake Falls
Zach Dick, D, Grand Rapids
Tucker Coborn, D, Park Rapids
Cole Kostrzewski, F, Roseau
Quin Buckellew, F, Moorhead
Morgan Terpstra, F, Crookston
Patrick Moore, F, Grand Rapids
Ryan Johnson, F, Hibbing
Adam Dougherty, F, Little Falls
Josh Archibald, F, Brainerd
Zac Schendel, F, Duluth East
Jordan Aamot, F, Grand Forks Central
Cullen Hurley, F, Holy Angels

2009 TEAM B – NORTH

Logan Marks, G, Moorhead
Nick Maiers, G, St. Cloud Cathedral
Brandon Peabody, D, East Grand Forks
Mitch Hall, D, St. Cloud Tech
Ethan Prow, D, Sauk Rapids
Paul LaDue, D, Grand Forks Central
Wes Judnick, D, Virginia
Chad Bannor, D, Hermantown
Kyle Kraemer, F, Moorhead
Brandon MacLeod,F, Moorhead
Craig Lindegard, F, Kittson County
Luke Johnson, F, Grand Forks Central
Casey Fugleberg, F, Grand Forks Red River
Michael Rutar, F, Sauk Rapids
Thomas Williams, F, Alexandria
Justin Moody, F, Grand Forks Central
Kyle Lutzka, F, Duluth East
Josh Mellem, F, Andover

2009 TEAM C - NORTH

Scott Buchholz, G, Fargo South
Carson Gray, D, Warroad
Joseph Welle, D, Bemidji
Nick Zierden, D, Sartell
Nick McLain, D, Delano
Brandon Tendeland, D, West Fargo
DJ Jones, D, Wayzata
Cooper Stellrecht, F, Fargo South
Shane Omdahl, F, Roseau
Tyler Larson, F, Moorhead
Lucas Gervais, F, Fergus Falls
Austin Plaine, F, Sartell
Tom Schutt, F, Minnetonka
John Simonson, F, Grand Forks Central
Evan Hesse, F, Monticello
Casey Purpur, F, Grand Forks Central
Jordan Christianson, F, International Falls
Jack McFarlane, F, Cloquet
Matt Lindquist, F, Thief River Falls

hockeyjunk22 · Post by **hockeyjunk22** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:58 pm

I Watched the south tryouts and I was impressed with

Team A
Tyler Nowicki, F Woodbury 12
Michael Morin, F Breck 12
Patrick Steinhauser, F Benilde 11
Chris Fischer, F Apple Valley 12

Team B
Rory Vesel, D Rochester Lourdes 11
Joe Graveline, D St. Thomas 12
Michael Parnell, D Totino Grace 12
Andrew Anderson, F Rosemount 12

Team C
Zach Schroeder, F St. Thomas 10
Tommy Burke, G Holy Angels 12
Ryan O’Shea, G Eastview 12
Travis Seurer, F Lakeville South 12
Jeff Anderson, F Mounds View 12

Team D
John Russell, G Breck 12
Taylor Fleming, D St. Thomas 10
Jake McKee, F Tartan 12
Tony Barbato, F Cretin-Derham Hall 11

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:34 pm

hockeyjunk22 wrote:I Watched the south tryouts and I was impressed with

Team A
Tyler Nowicki, F Woodbury 12
Michael Morin, F Breck 12
Patrick Steinhauser, F Benilde 11
Chris Fischer, F Apple Valley 12

Team B
Rory Vesel, D Rochester Lourdes 11
Joe Graveline, D St. Thomas 12
Michael Parnell, D Totino Grace 12
Andrew Anderson, F Rosemount 12

Team C
Zach Schroeder, F St. Thomas 10
Tommy Burke, G Holy Angels 12
Ryan O’Shea, G Eastview 12
Travis Seurer, F Lakeville South 12
Jeff Anderson, F Mounds View 12

Team D
John Russell, G Breck 12
Taylor Fleming, D St. Thomas 10
Jake McKee, F Tartan 12
Tony Barbato, F Cretin-Derham Hall 11

Overall level of play was way down from last year. I agree. Schroder and Michael Morin looked good. How does John Russell not get an automatic? State Champion goalie with one o the lowest GGA average in the state.

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:21 pm

flatontheice wrote:
hockeyjunk22 wrote:Overall level of play was way down from last year. I agree. Schroder and Michael Morin looked good. How does John Russell not get an automatic? State Champion goalie with one o the lowest GGA average in the state.
I was told that they are not giving out any 'automatics' except to past players this year. They wanted to be fair and offer everyone a chance to earn a spot by trying out rather than give away so many automatics.

I agree that Russell looked good and should likely get a spot on the team.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:54 am

seek & destroy wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
hockeyjunk22 wrote:Overall level of play was way down from last year. I agree. Schroder and Michael Morin looked good. How does John Russell not get an automatic? State Champion goalie with one o the lowest GGA average in the state.
I was told that they are not giving out any 'automatics' except to past players this year. They wanted to be fair and offer everyone a chance to earn a spot by trying out rather than give away so many automatics.

I agree that Russell looked good and should likely get a spot on the team.
Whoever told you that is wrong. There are tons of automatics and it keeps getting younger and younger every year.

Gophs_Fan 12345 · Post by **Gophs_Fan 12345** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:56 am

Wasn't matt ray already in the league last year? If so why did he have to tryout? Also whats the policy on alternates from the year before ( just a tryout or an automatic?) because if recall correctly Fischer made it as an alternate last fall and he tryed out as well?

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:44 am

Gophs_Fan 12345 wrote:Wasn't matt ray already in the league last year? If so why did he have to tryout? Also whats the policy on alternates from the year before ( just a tryout or an automatic?) because if recall correctly Fischer made it as an alternate last fall and he tryed out as well?

That was my original understanding that this year more kids were going to have to tryout (only returners were automatics) but based on other responses I must have heard wrong. Too bad because it would give more credibility to the league if they made everyone except returners tryout. Otherwise it seems that it has too much politics involved when some players make it without being seen at the league tryout. We'll see when the final rosters come out.

Anyway, Fischer looked pretty good so I would guess he's in this year.

Nonamer · Post by **Nonamer** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:01 am

Unless there was some other non-political yet valid, tangible evidence or criteria used in player assessment.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:26 am

Nonamer wrote:Unless there was some other non-political yet valid, tangible evidence or criteria used in player assessment.

Not if Russo was involved. He surrounds himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear. Some of them are bad people and he doesn't see it. That is why it has become so political. Looks and acts like Marlon Brando. All in all they get 70-80% right though.

Daulton911 · Post by **Daulton911** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:21 pm

The Elite league has lost some crediability due to the players it takes, or better yet the players they do not ask to try out. Politics are 100% the reason people are asked. Certian High school coaches get there players in where lesser known, younger coaches do not. I use to be pretty high on this league, but now seeing some names here becuase of who their dad is makes it lose crediablity.

NHOCKEY_FAN · Post by **NHOCKEY_FAN** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:01 pm

Automatic bids are part of the game. Look at the Great plains team. Brock neslon and brett heble from warroad were not on last years team, they are not on the try out list and will be on the team this year.

the great plains team was a team that struggle last year and is returning around 13 players from lasty ears team. This would leave about ten spot open for this years try outs. if 3 -5 spots are already guaranteed to players, that means from the sixty kids trying out this weekend around 6 had a chance for this team. Seems to me at $110 a kid this try out weekend becomes a pretty good money maker for the league

Then besides trying out sixty kids they also include players from centennial, holy angels, andover, and minnetonka in the north tryout. Apparently they dont look hard enough to find northern kids to try out or maybe they do not want to spend the money and not have a chance.

Is is true that the Great plains team has to have at least 10 north dakota kids on the team. this would also reduce the chances of northern minnesota kids.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:30 pm

NHOCKEY_FAN wrote:Automatic bids are part of the game. Look at the Great plains team. Brock neslon and brett heble from warroad were not on last years team, they are not on the try out list and will be on the team this year.

the great plains team was a team that struggle last year and is returning around 13 players from lasty ears team. This would leave about ten spot open for this years try outs. if 3 -5 spots are already guaranteed to players, that means from the sixty kids trying out this weekend around 6 had a chance for this team. Seems to me at $110 a kid this try out weekend becomes a pretty good money maker for the league

Then besides trying out sixty kids they also include players from centennial, holy angels, andover, and minnetonka in the north tryout. Apparently they dont look hard enough to find northern kids to try out or maybe they do not want to spend the money and not have a chance.

Is is true that the Great plains team has to have at least 10 north dakota kids on the team. this would also reduce the chances of northern minnesota kids.

Wow...what a joke.

Factsmatter1 · Post by **Factsmatter1** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:52 pm

flatontheice wrote:
NHOCKEY_FAN wrote:Automatic bids are part of the game. Look at the Great plains team. Brock neslon and brett heble from warroad were not on last years team, they are not on the try out list and will be on the team this year.

the great plains team was a team that struggle last year and is returning around 13 players from lasty ears team. This would leave about ten spot open for this years try outs. if 3 -5 spots are already guaranteed to players, that means from the sixty kids trying out this weekend around 6 had a chance for this team. Seems to me at $110 a kid this try out weekend becomes a pretty good money maker for the league

Then besides trying out sixty kids they also include players from centennial, holy angels, andover, and minnetonka in the north tryout. Apparently they dont look hard enough to find northern kids to try out or maybe they do not want to spend the money and not have a chance.

Is is true that the Great plains team has to have at least 10 north dakota kids on the team. this would also reduce the chances of northern minnesota kids.
Wow...what a joke.

"
The words "Joke and "Elite I" are synonyms. Fair and "Elite I" are oxymorons. Sure they get 70% right but that number is going down. Inside dealing, lack of transparency and back-scratching are the rule rather than the exception. This is why kids leave Minnesota hockey first chance they can. The elite I program is the right concept but an awful implementation of a good concept controlled by far to few people. They could have been smart about it and piggy backed off the Select process but they don't. Instead they ignore the Select process and play "let's make a deal". I sincerely hope USA hockey intervenes in Minnesota High School hockey development quick before these clowns destory our beloved community hockey programs. If USA hockey keeps being pushed out by the MN insiders, my prediction is the community hockey system will implode on itself in 5-10 years. Lots of families are looking for the exit door...

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:33 pm

WOW Cry

Did your kid get cut? Still the best league around.

Off Sides · Post by **Off Sides** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:58 pm

This league is great, picking the teams is extremely difficult, anyone who thinks that they are not going to miss some players is out of there minds. Could the league improve sure but I believe they are trying to do the right thing 98% of the time. The one area I dont like is having agents and coaches very close to agents involved with teams as I believe this creates opportunities for favoritism and teams not playing in a manner in which the league is meant to be handled. Equal playing time and exposure to special teams on an equal basis.
Folks, John Russo has created a great league that provides more pre-season exposure and scouting then could ever be imagined. This is not the only route though. If you are a MN hockey player get to the state tourney play great and you will be scouted, play in the great 8, you will be scouted, go to NAHL and or USHL tryouts you will be scouted. The opportunity is not over until you quit.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:36 pm

Off Sides wrote:This league is great, picking the teams is extremely difficult, anyone who thinks that they are not going to miss some players is out of there minds. Could the league improve sure but I believe they are trying to do the right thing 98% of the time. The one area I dont like is having agents and coaches very close to agents involved with teams as I believe this creates opportunities for favoritism and teams not playing in a manner in which the league is meant to be handled. Equal playing time and exposure to special teams on an equal basis.
Folks, John Russo has created a great league that provides more pre-season exposure and scouting then could ever be imagined. This is not the only route though. If you are a MN hockey player get to the state tourney play great and you will be scouted, play in the great 8, you will be scouted, go to NAHL and or USHL tryouts you will be scouted. The opportunity is not over until you quit.

Well put. It is time for a change though to keep the league on track with its original charter. Russo's arrogance and self promoting purpose has got in the way.

juniorhockey · Post by **juniorhockey** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:59 pm

When the Elite League originally started it did not charge for people to attend the games.

Since then, the league has gotten bigger and better. However, look at the money as well...

Started tryouts and charging. (if 110 is correct as earlier posted, they make a good chunk of money on the tryouts)

Started charging to get into games. That price has increased.

Began partnership with Shattuck for Exposure Camp. (Camp earns them more then 20,000 alone)

Scout book price is up to 60. (more then doubled in the last couple years I have been told)

This being said, I think it`s a great league and we should be thankful that they put it together. It has served it`s purpose and has built itself up.

My question would be... where is all that money going? Is it going to improve the league? It very well could be, but this is likely over 50,000 more dollars brought in then before. Hopefully some of that money is going back to the players in reduced costs for player fees, travel, or reduced hotel deals.

Hopefully someone who knows more then I can elaborate on these things.

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:47 pm

Factsmatter1 wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
NHOCKEY_FAN wrote:Automatic bids are part of the game. Look at the Great plains team. Brock neslon and brett heble from warroad were not on last years team, they are not on the try out list and will be on the team this year.

the great plains team was a team that struggle last year and is returning around 13 players from lasty ears team. This would leave about ten spot open for this years try outs. if 3 -5 spots are already guaranteed to players, that means from the sixty kids trying out this weekend around 6 had a chance for this team. Seems to me at $110 a kid this try out weekend becomes a pretty good money maker for the league

Then besides trying out sixty kids they also include players from centennial, holy angels, andover, and minnetonka in the north tryout. Apparently they dont look hard enough to find northern kids to try out or maybe they do not want to spend the money and not have a chance.

Is is true that the Great plains team has to have at least 10 north dakota kids on the team. this would also reduce the chances of northern minnesota kids.
Wow...what a joke.
"
The words "Joke and "Elite I" are synonyms. Fair and "Elite I" are oxymorons. Sure they get 70% right but that number is going down. Inside dealing, lack of transparency and back-scratching are the rule rather than the exception. This is why kids leave Minnesota hockey first chance they can. The elite I program is the right concept but an awful implementation of a good concept controlled by far to few people. They could have been smart about it and piggy backed off the Select process but they don't. Instead they ignore the Select process and play "let's make a deal". I sincerely hope USA hockey intervenes in Minnesota High School hockey development quick before these clowns destory our beloved community hockey programs. If USA hockey keeps being pushed out by the MN insiders, my prediction is the community hockey system will implode on itself in 5-10 years. Lots of families are looking for the exit door...

And that system isn't corrupt at all.

Are they getting everyone ....NO. They could go back to sticking with Seniors and limited Juniors then back fill. How is it there are 7-8 from one team yet 0 from others? You can't tell me #8player on team A is better then the #1 guy at team B.

And I get the fact some kids chose to play Football over this league but you also have a lot that play limited games in the Elite league and still play Football. To me it should be one or the other, Why did a kid like Buddish need to play both? How about opening a spot for another kid that isn't playing footbal and doesn't play for one of the "Press" Favorite teams? No knock on Buddish or any others but quit validating your league by saying this kid or that kid played in it open it up to the kids that want to further but don't have the right jersey on during the season. Too many kids getting a lot of credit for being pretty average players just because they play at school XYZ.

Blue&Gold · Post by **Blue&Gold** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:55 pm

About three or four years ago (time does fly, no doubt) John Russo was looking for someone to take over this league. If memory serves, nobody was willing to do the work that it required to make this the premier fall league for the elite player that it has become. Most of the time, the folks that talk about how it needs to be better aren't the ones stepping up to make it so. Having worked with John and his crew for a short period of time I can tell you that it is HARD work to accomplish what they do.

My suggestion is that if you know how to make this a better league, talk to John about buying it (or whatever it takes) and do just that. If your son didn't make a team, sorry.

Of course, this is only my opinion..

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:03 pm

Like every other form of high level hockey, I've always thought that the finacial future of this league depends upon sponsorships.

Now, I don't advocate individual ownership of teams, but I do think better names can be found than "Team Southwest". Give them each a nickname with a logo and slap a sponsorship patch on the jersey somewhere. $5,000 would be easy to get for each team, so you're looking at an additional $35,000 for the league. I think you could get more than that if you sell the actual team name. "Polaris Stars" instead of "Team Great Plains"? John Russo, if you're reading, make me a partner and I'll get you some phenomenal sponsorships. All you have to do is pay me percentage of the money I bring in.

I think two the league's goals should be 1) Make it as cheap as possible for the players, and 2) Get USA Hockey to accept your teams as the High Performance Clubs... thus saving the HS Hockey system as we currently know it.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:45 pm

Blue&Gold wrote:About three or four years ago (time does fly, no doubt) John Russo was looking for someone to take over this league. If memory serves, nobody was willing to do the work that it required to make this the premier fall league for the elite player that it has become. Most of the time, the folks that talk about how it needs to be better aren't the ones stepping up to make it so. Having worked with John and his crew for a short period of time I can tell you that it is HARD work to accomplish what they do.

My suggestion is that if you know how to make this a better league, talk to John about buying it (or whatever it takes) and do just that. If your son didn't make a team, sorry.

Of course, this is only my opinion..

There have been many suggestions made to him on how to improve it. I have personally talked to him about it. He does not listen. It is his way or the highway. Ask anyone arround him. Ask his kids.

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:13 pm

Why don't they do section teams and have the coaches from that section invovled with the nomination process? * Section teams would not be watered down either.

Enough of the elitism Elite 1 and 2 should be run in partnership! It would be best for all involved.

Blue&Gold · Post by **Blue&Gold** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:53 am

flatontheice wrote:
Blue&Gold wrote:About three or four years ago (time does fly, no doubt) John Russo was looking for someone to take over this league. If memory serves, nobody was willing to do the work that it required to make this the premier fall league for the elite player that it has become. Most of the time, the folks that talk about how it needs to be better aren't the ones stepping up to make it so. Having worked with John and his crew for a short period of time I can tell you that it is HARD work to accomplish what they do.

My suggestion is that if you know how to make this a better league, talk to John about buying it (or whatever it takes) and do just that. If your son didn't make a team, sorry.

Of course, this is only my opinion..
There have been many suggestions made to him on how to improve it. I have personally talked to him about it. He does not listen. It is his way or the highway. Ask anyone arround him. Ask his kids.

Like I said above, buy the program from him and run it the way you want.

Let's face it, everyone has suggestions but it's his show. If you don't want to buy it, start a new organization and compete with it. Of course, that's what the Elite II sort of has done, but it is not anything close to John's program and never will be. (I can tell stories about that program, but it's not worth it to me.)

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:00 am

Blue&Gold wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Blue&Gold wrote:About three or four years ago (time does fly, no doubt) John Russo was looking for someone to take over this league. If memory serves, nobody was willing to do the work that it required to make this the premier fall league for the elite player that it has become. Most of the time, the folks that talk about how it needs to be better aren't the ones stepping up to make it so. Having worked with John and his crew for a short period of time I can tell you that it is HARD work to accomplish what they do.

My suggestion is that if you know how to make this a better league, talk to John about buying it (or whatever it takes) and do just that. If your son didn't make a team, sorry.

Of course, this is only my opinion..
There have been many suggestions made to him on how to improve it. I have personally talked to him about it. He does not listen. It is his way or the highway. Ask anyone arround him. Ask his kids.
Like I said above, buy the program from him and run it the way you want. Let's face it, everyone has suggestions but it's his show. If you don't want to buy it, start a new organization and compete with it. Of course, that's what the Elite II sort of has done, but it is not anything close to John's program and never will be. (I can tell stories about that program, but it's not worth it to me.)

I cant afford it...its making too much money now.

2pipesnin · Post by **2pipesnin** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:35 am

flatontheice wrote:
Blue&Gold wrote:
flatontheice wrote: There have been many suggestions made to him on how to improve it. I have personally talked to him about it. He does not listen. It is his way or the highway. Ask anyone arround him. Ask his kids.
Like I said above, buy the program from him and run it the way you want. 8) :wink: Let's face it, everyone has suggestions but it's his show. If you don't want to buy it, start a new organization and compete with it. Of course, that's what the Elite II sort of has done, but it is not anything close to John's program and never will be. (I can tell stories about that program, but it's not worth it to me.)
B&G - Your comment that Elite II is nothing close to John's program requires some clarification if you please. Are you referring to a player perspective or an organization/business perspective? Please expound.