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The Exiled One
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Post by The Exiled One » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:36 pm

Night Train wrote:Where does a AAA player in Kansas City go to play now that Russell Stover is importing Minnesotans to play on the team, and take spots, from the Kansas City players? Is Russell Stover leadership really doing the right thing? Gotta be some unhappyness there.
There's probably a good reason they aren't called the Kansas City Stars. I think their primary mission is to win, which is why they recruit so many kids from out of state. Why Minnesota? Just look at their staff... all Minnesotans. I imagine if they were all from Michigan the ratio would be different.

As for the kids, I can't say if it's a wise decision for them, as it is personal and depends on a lot of different factors. In general, however, I think kids should stay in HS in most cases until they have a scholarship lined up. It's a gamble to leave HS where you'll probably dominate just to play for a program where there's a good chance you won't. If you stand out, the options open up. If you don't stand out, the options dry up (and now you've missed senior prom too). The one major exception is the NTDP, as almost all of those kids will get a schollie, so there's not much gamble to it.

As for me, I'm a college fan first. HS hockey is fun to watch, but junior and AAA hockey probably gives college coaches/fans a better idea of what a kid's potential is.

Night Train
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Post by Night Train » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:53 pm

Just saying. I'll guess Russell Stover AAA was formed to offer a Tier 1 opportunity for Kansas City based hockey players. Now, all of a sudden, the spots are being taken by players from outside the KC area. Will someone start another AAA club in KC now?

It's interesting as there's a discussion on the Youth Forum about families wanting AAA during the Minnesota winter season. So, start it and the Minnesota kids don't even get the spots? Is that what they envision? Kinda like the Wisconsin Fire filling their team with Minnesotans. So much for additional opportunities for the western Wisconsin based players. Not sure that was the initial intent.

It gets nutty out there.

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Post by FalconFan » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:07 pm

Russell Stover is located in Kansas but make no mistake it's not there only to promote local hockey players. Like any Tier 1 team they are looking for the best players willing to make the committment to play hockey. Many MN kids have been trying out down there and at other Tier 1 teams looking for an alternative to the MN high school hockey scene. Some of the reasons for leaving are more exposure, higher level of play, length of season and coaching.

AAA teams are more attractive to high school students because they tailor their practice/training schedules to accomodate the kids attending school during the day. The NAHL and USHL practice/train in the afternoon requiring high school students to go to school in the morning and leave school early to participate. It can be done but you have to be pretty self motivated.

MN has created the Elite and Elite D leagues to prevent kids from leaving but it doesn't appear to be a big reason to stay. As has been noted on this forum and others it sometime appears to be who you are or who you know to get promoted rather than ability.

Geno Snipes
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Post by Geno Snipes » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:15 pm

You can add Evan Hesse from Monticello to the list.
http://alaskaavalanche.pointstreaksites ... anche/team

trippedovertheblueline
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Post by trippedovertheblueline » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:36 pm

Night Train wrote:Where does a AAA player in Kansas City go to play now that Russell Stover is importing Minnesotans to play on the team, and take spots, from the Kansas City players? Is Russell Stover leadership really doing the right thing? Gotta be some unhappyness there.

Are kids going to Tier 1 or Juniors as 11th and 12th graders to get the game count up and hope to get into a D1 or D3 program as a true freshman? Or, are they still likely to have to play 2-3 years of juniors and want to get a jump on those 2-3 years by playing one or two while they still have Minnesota High School eligiblity? I know every situation is a little different but I find these to very interesting choices by these Minnesota players and families. Some aren't even Final 54 for their age in Minnesota. Seems like quite the crap shoot. Let's hear some real reasons?
so osterberg could possibly be in ann arbor for 3 years?

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Post by keepyourheadup » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:39 am

Nope, Kyle much like Jordan Shroeder will need to either accelerate his education and move on to college after two years or head for juniors his senior year. The NTDP is a two year program based on a players year of birth. Most recruits are born early in the year which places them in their junior year when they get to the NTDP.

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Post by puckhouse27 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:52 pm

South St. Paul High School junior D Matt Pilot will be Playing for the Austin bruins of the N.A.H.L. this season.

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Post by Sioux Fan » Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:17 pm

Who is the coaching staff now at Russel Stovers that Pat Ferschwieller went on to College coaching?
Fighting Sioux Forever

puckhouse27
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Post by puckhouse27 » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:37 pm

i know one of the coaches is Tom Rudrud former tri-city head coach and long time assistant.

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Post by panther5 » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:39 pm

I believe Larry Piedrie has moved from Team Illinois to Russell Stover. I also believe Apple Valley is losing his son Vince to this team.

High Flyer
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Post by High Flyer » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:19 am

The Exiled One wrote:

Code: Select all

SO - F - Kyle Osterberg - Lakeville South   - NTDP
JR - F - Nate Arentz    - Lakeville North   - Fargo-USHL
JR - F - Austyn Young   - S St. Paul        - Sioux Falls-USHL
SR - F - Tanner Lane    - Detroit Lakes     - Fargo-USHL
SR - F - Drew Anderson  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - F - Jake Horton    - Tartan            - Janesville-NAHL
SR - F - Evan Hesse     - Monticello        - Alaska-NAHL
JR - D - Matt Pilot     - S St. Paul        - Austin-NAHL
JR - D - Zach Adams     - New Prague        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - D - Connor Faupel  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - D - Mike Reilly    - Holy Angels       - Shattuck St. Mary's
SR - D - Ben Marshall   - Mahtomedi         - Omaha-USHL
SR - D - Andy Welinski  - Duluth East       - Green Bay-USHL
JR - D - Brady Skjei    - Lakeville North   - NTDP
SR - D - Charlie Donlin - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - D - Brandon Parker - Fairibault        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - G - Matt LaPrade   - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - G - Brock Kautz    - Rochester Century - Owatonna-NAHL
SR - G - Adam Wilcox    - S St. Paul        - Green Bay-USHL
JR - G - Collin Olson   - Apple Valley      - NTDP
Updates made.
What community is Donlin & LaPrade from?

What school in St. Cloud would have Dunnick attended?

Is Matt Hanson a Jr or Sr. this year and what school would he have attended?

mngopherfan
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Post by mngopherfan » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:03 pm

High Flyer wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:

Code: Select all

SO - F - Kyle Osterberg - Lakeville South   - NTDP
JR - F - Nate Arentz    - Lakeville North   - Fargo-USHL
JR - F - Austyn Young   - S St. Paul        - Sioux Falls-USHL
SR - F - Tanner Lane    - Detroit Lakes     - Fargo-USHL
SR - F - Drew Anderson  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - F - Jake Horton    - Tartan            - Janesville-NAHL
SR - F - Evan Hesse     - Monticello        - Alaska-NAHL
JR - D - Matt Pilot     - S St. Paul        - Austin-NAHL
JR - D - Zach Adams     - New Prague        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - D - Connor Faupel  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - D - Mike Reilly    - Holy Angels       - Shattuck St. Mary's
SR - D - Ben Marshall   - Mahtomedi         - Omaha-USHL
SR - D - Andy Welinski  - Duluth East       - Green Bay-USHL
JR - D - Brady Skjei    - Lakeville North   - NTDP
SR - D - Charlie Donlin - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - D - Brandon Parker - Fairibault        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - G - Matt LaPrade   - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - G - Brock Kautz    - Rochester Century - Owatonna-NAHL
SR - G - Adam Wilcox    - S St. Paul        - Green Bay-USHL
JR - G - Collin Olson   - Apple Valley      - NTDP
Updates made.
What community is Donlin & LaPrade from?

What school in St. Cloud would have Dunnick attended?

Is Matt Hanson a Jr or Sr. this year and what school would he have
attended?
LaPrade is from Chaska

Duninick is a Tech Kid, not sure if he would have ended up at Cathedral or not. Hanson would be a Sr. this year (i believe) and is from Tech.

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Post by flatontheice » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:41 pm

mngopherfan wrote:
High Flyer wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:

Code: Select all

SO - F - Kyle Osterberg - Lakeville South   - NTDP
JR - F - Nate Arentz    - Lakeville North   - Fargo-USHL
JR - F - Austyn Young   - S St. Paul        - Sioux Falls-USHL
SR - F - Tanner Lane    - Detroit Lakes     - Fargo-USHL
SR - F - Drew Anderson  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - F - Jake Horton    - Tartan            - Janesville-NAHL
SR - F - Evan Hesse     - Monticello        - Alaska-NAHL
JR - D - Matt Pilot     - S St. Paul        - Austin-NAHL
JR - D - Zach Adams     - New Prague        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - D - Connor Faupel  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - D - Mike Reilly    - Holy Angels       - Shattuck St. Mary's
SR - D - Ben Marshall   - Mahtomedi         - Omaha-USHL
SR - D - Andy Welinski  - Duluth East       - Green Bay-USHL
JR - D - Brady Skjei    - Lakeville North   - NTDP
SR - D - Charlie Donlin - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - D - Brandon Parker - Fairibault        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - G - Matt LaPrade   - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - G - Brock Kautz    - Rochester Century - Owatonna-NAHL
SR - G - Adam Wilcox    - S St. Paul        - Green Bay-USHL
JR - G - Collin Olson   - Apple Valley      - NTDP
Updates made.
What community is Donlin & LaPrade from?

What school in St. Cloud would have Dunnick attended?

Is Matt Hanson a Jr or Sr. this year and what school would he have
attended?
LaPrade is from Chaska

Duninick is a Tech Kid, not sure if he would have ended up at Cathedral or not. Hanson would be a Sr. this year (i believe) and is from Tech.

Eathan Prow should be added to the list.

shakey
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Post by shakey » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:35 pm

panther5 wrote:I believe Larry Piedrie has moved from Team Illinois to Russell Stover. I also believe Apple Valley is losing his son Vince to this team.
Pedrie and Rudrud were college teammates at Ferris State University.

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Post by CB00 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:12 pm

flatontheice wrote:
mngopherfan wrote:
High Flyer wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:

Code: Select all

SO - F - Kyle Osterberg - Lakeville South   - NTDP
JR - F - Nate Arentz    - Lakeville North   - Fargo-USHL
JR - F - Austyn Young   - S St. Paul        - Sioux Falls-USHL
SR - F - Tanner Lane    - Detroit Lakes     - Fargo-USHL
SR - F - Drew Anderson  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - F - Jake Horton    - Tartan            - Janesville-NAHL
SR - F - Evan Hesse     - Monticello        - Alaska-NAHL
JR - D - Matt Pilot     - S St. Paul        - Austin-NAHL
JR - D - Zach Adams     - New Prague        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - D - Connor Faupel  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - D - Mike Reilly    - Holy Angels       - Shattuck St. Mary's
SR - D - Ben Marshall   - Mahtomedi         - Omaha-USHL
SR - D - Andy Welinski  - Duluth East       - Green Bay-USHL
JR - D - Brady Skjei    - Lakeville North   - NTDP
SR - D - Charlie Donlin - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - D - Brandon Parker - Fairibault        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - G - Matt LaPrade   - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - G - Brock Kautz    - Rochester Century - Owatonna-NAHL
SR - G - Adam Wilcox    - S St. Paul        - Green Bay-USHL
JR - G - Collin Olson   - Apple Valley      - NTDP
Updates made.
What community is Donlin & LaPrade from?

What school in St. Cloud would have Dunnick attended?

Is Matt Hanson a Jr or Sr. this year and what school would he have
attended?
LaPrade is from Chaska

Duninick is a Tech Kid, not sure if he would have ended up at Cathedral or not. Hanson would be a Sr. this year (i believe) and is from Tech.

Eathan Prow should be added to the list.
Jake Horton from Tartan is a sophomore not junior.

gamer19
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Post by gamer19 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:37 pm

Add Blake Koosman to that list, junior. Could be playing high school at Cambridge-Isanti is playing for the Wildcats in the MJ. Not sure if that is a slam on Cambridge or a slam against the kid, that he is playing Junior B hockey instead of high school.

rudy
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not coming back

Post by rudy » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:00 pm

Wildcats are Tier III Jr. A, not Jr. B

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Post by johnnyquest » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:33 pm

LaPrade attended Providence Academy. His father took a job in Vail, Co. during the past 6 months. I am guessing the son's move is motivated less by hockey and more by family.

mngopherfan
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Post by mngopherfan » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:33 am

johnnyquest wrote:LaPrade attended Providence Academy. His father took a job in Vail, Co. during the past 6 months. I am guessing the son's move is motivated less by hockey and more by family.
He's been the starting goalie at Holy Family for the last 3 seasons. Interesting about his dad though...i think he was the gopher team doctor for quite a while.

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Post by rashreid20 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:09 pm

The Exiled One wrote:

Code: Select all

SO - F - Kyle Osterberg - Lakeville South   - NTDP
JR - F - Nate Arentz    - Lakeville North   - Fargo-USHL
JR - F - Austyn Young   - S St. Paul        - Sioux Falls-USHL
SR - F - Tanner Lane    - Detroit Lakes     - Fargo-USHL
SR - F - Drew Anderson  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - F - Jake Horton    - Tartan            - Janesville-NAHL
SR - F - Evan Hesse     - Monticello        - Alaska-NAHL
JR - D - Matt Pilot     - S St. Paul        - Austin-NAHL
JR - D - Zach Adams     - New Prague        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - D - Connor Faupel  - Rochester Century - Russel Stover AAA
JR - D - Mike Reilly    - Holy Angels       - Shattuck St. Mary's
SR - D - Ben Marshall   - Mahtomedi         - Omaha-USHL
SR - D - Andy Welinski  - Duluth East       - Green Bay-USHL
JR - D - Brady Skjei    - Lakeville North   - NTDP
SR - D - Charlie Donlin - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - D - Brandon Parker - Fairibault        - Russel Stover AAA
SR - G - Matt LaPrade   - Holy Family       - Colorado Rampage AAA
JR - G - Brock Kautz    - Rochester Century - Owatonna-NAHL
SR - G - Adam Wilcox    - S St. Paul        - Green Bay-USHL
JR - G - Collin Olson   - Apple Valley      - NTDP
Updates made.
Most of these moves aren’t surprising and Elite League could do little to stop these defections.

Surprises (players that would have developed fine):

Osterberg (Lake Conference, tough schedule with exposure and easy road to state tourney exposure, always could go NTDP next year as a junior)

Arentz (Lake Conference, tough schedule with exposure, could leave senior year and still get USHL exposure)

Reilly (Decent AA schedule, chance to show stepped up leadership, Holy Angels going to be way down with graduations and other defections so maybe that is why the move).

Welinski (Duluth East) (Good schedule (12-13 season games against top 20 teams), decent team, with state tourney potential. A lot of exposure and credits go to the #1 defenseman on a decent team. Unless Green Bay is promising PP and PK opportunities and a lot of ice, DE may have been a better option.)


Not Surprised:

Marshall (Mahtomedi) – No surprise. Would be unchallenged and waste of a year.

Young, Wilcox, Pilot – The core of SSP. One goes, they all bail. Weak schedule (with the exception of Hill and STA), Class A, been there done that.

Lane (Detroit Lakes) – Not challenged playing and racking up points against Prairie Centre, Wadena-Deer Creek, Northern Lakes. Time to see if he can play and develop vs men.

Anderson, Faupel, Kautz (Century) – Section 1, weak schedule with little development. Kautz good move to NAHL – passed up by many metro goalies in last year with difficult schedules or more exposure. Playing against Albert Lea, Austin, Mankato East/West, Owatonna, Mayo/JM, and Winona will do little for development or exposure for any of these players in comparison to what many Metro players get.

Horton (Tartan) – Could have stayed around, Tartan has a moderately difficult schedule, but almost all of the top ten players last year graduated – gutting the program. Rebuilding and not sticking around to rebuild. Could have been a big leader, but a USHL spot can’t hurt.

Hesse (Monticello), Adams (New Prague), Donlin (HF), LaPrade (HF) – Weak schedules, class A, minimal exposure.

Skjei (Lakeville North) – One of the best Dmen out there. Will be an 18yr old D1 player. Might as well push the envelope.

Parker (Faribault) – Section 1 weak schedule had nothing to offer.

Olson (Apple Valley) – Back up goalie last year to a Junior. At best would have shared the crease this year. NTDP a good move and leap upward.

Goes to show that although the Elite League is an excellent option for most of the players in the state, there are exceptions that make it more worthwhile to leave for greener pastures rather than lose a season. Circumstances affect each player differently. Short of Minnesota scrapping the high school program for an “elite league” that plays 50 games, many of these kids weren’t getting the opportunities they needed to try to advance their hockey.

Some of these kids are among the best in the state, but for every one that goes away there are five blue chippers that remain in Minnesota Hockey (e.g. Michaelson, Horn, Sit, Everson, Rau, Kroska, Reid, Kloos, Fogarty, Randolph, Bahe, etc. etc.). More than enough good hockey players to watch this winter.

gamer19
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Re: not coming back

Post by gamer19 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:20 pm

rudy wrote:Wildcats are Tier III Jr. A, not Jr. B


Tier III Junior A- Junior B

Tomato-Tomonto

It is the same s#!t.

They can call it Junior A, everybody know it is Junior B hockey and the only Junior A hockey in the U.S. is the USHL and NAHL.

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Jake Horton

Post by stpaul » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:28 pm

Does anyone have verification that Jake Horton will not be at Tartan this year? He does not appear on Janesville's roster. He really stood out as as 9th grader for Tartan last year. He has good size for a 15 yr. old, but is very young to play in a junior league.

Husky88
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Re: Jake Horton

Post by Husky88 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:19 pm

stpaul wrote:Does anyone have verification that Jake Horton will not be at Tartan this year? He does not appear on Janesville's roster. He really stood out as as 9th grader for Tartan last year. He has good size for a 15 yr. old, but is very young to play in a junior league.
Here is Janesville's website .... scroll down on the page and you will see his name on their initial player roster

http://janesvillejets.pointstreaksites. ... svillejets

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Post by dueling21 » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:50 pm

rashreid20 wrote:... but for every one that goes away there are five blue chippers that remain in Minnesota Hockey (e.g. Michaelson, Horn, Sit, Everson, Rau, Kroska, Reid, Kloos, Fogarty, Randolph, Bahe, etc. etc.). More than enough good hockey players to watch this winter.
Amen! Still plenty of good hockey going to be played in the Minnesota high school ranks.

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Post by watchdog » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:54 pm

ryan crosson D trf playing in bchl

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