ALL-CONFERENCE TEAMS

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:49 pm

Have there been any All-Conference Teams posted yet?

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:09 pm

Last I recall, wbmd, that stuff wasn't made public for our SEC boys until about the time they had the banquet in a week or so.

BearsSensGophs · Post by **BearsSensGophs** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:09 am

I'm sure the bears will be represented by the following.

Wahlin
Jansen
Birkinbine
Schletty
Carney?

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:27 pm

Anybody seen any All-Conference Teams listed yet?

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:34 am

wbmd... WBL had their banquet last Thursday, I believe..... I haven't heard the all-conference teams named.

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:41 am

wbmd wrote:Anybody seen any All-Conference Teams listed yet?

I believe this is the South Suburban Conference list:

All Conference
1. Ryan Dorn 12 Prior Lake
2. Kyle Miller 11 Prior Lake
3. Nick Nielsen 12 Jefferson
4. Johnny Roisum 12 Jefferson
5. Eric Freschi 12 Jefferson
6. Ryan Siiro 12 Jefferson
7. Michael Zajac 11 Eagan
8. Will Merchant 11 Eagan
9. Eli May 11 Eagan
10. Bodhi Engum 12 Burnsville
11. Sean Madigan 12 Burnsville
12. Eddie Wittchow 12 Burnsville
13. Mike Dockry 12 Burnsville
14. Justin Kloos 11 Lakeville South
15. Drew Brevig 12 Lakeville South
16. Alex Harvey 11 Lakeville South
17. Scott Nelson 11 Eastview
18. Max Smith 12 Eastview
19. A.J. Michaelson 11 Apple Valley
20. Derek Smith 11 Apple Valley
21. Hudson Fasching 10 Apple Valley
22. Aaron Gretz 12 Apple Valley
23. Blake Winiecki 11 Lakeville North
24. Charlie Lindgren 11 Lakeville North

Honorable Mention
1. Mike Cossalter 12 Rosemount
2. Andy Gustafson 11 Rosemount
3. Connor Langfield 12 Rosemount
4. Kyle Krueger 11 Prior Lake
5. Matt Crist 11 Prior Lake
6. Tommy Vidmar 11 Prior Lake
7. Tommy Bodeker 12 Eagan
8. Nick Kuchera 11 Eagan
9. John Carroll 12 Eagan
10. Sam Wolfe 11 Eagan
11. Tim Donahue 12 Jefferson
12. Cam Bentz 12 Jefferson
13. Brady Dornfeld 12 Jefferson
14. Cory Chapman 11 Burnsville
15. Jace Childs 12 Burnsville
16. Nick Senta 12 Burnsville
17. Ryan Kutzler 12 Kennedy
18. Sam Merchant 12 Kennedy
19. Joe Freemark 11 Lakeville South
20. Charlie Heller 11 Lakeville South
21. Ethan Quinnell 12 Lakeville South
22. Bryce Gustafson 12 Eastview
23. Taylor Branstad 12 Eastview
24. Vince Pedrie 11 Apple Valley
25. Michael Berens 12 Apple Valley
26. Kris Goodman 12 Apple Valley
27. Gordon Kappers 12 Lakeville North
28. Tory Merz 12 Lakeville North
29. Charlie Hayes 11 Lakeville North

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:13 pm

Forest Lake had ours Sunday night. Kohls, And C.J. Franklyn were All-conference. Don't know the rest of the SEC.

Oldtimehockeyguy23 · Post by **Oldtimehockeyguy23** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:58 pm

Lake conference from wayzata

ALL-conference: (PP1) Marc Richards, DJ Jones, Tyler Klein, Cameranesi, and Lucia

Honorable. Death, Halverson, Majka.

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:40 pm

Someone must have more information than what has been posted.

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:35 pm

wbmd wrote:Someone must have more information than what has been posted.

Or maybe not.

WoodStickSniper · Post by **WoodStickSniper** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:11 pm

Anyone that has a complete list like the south suburban for other conferences that would be cool

Neuuman · Post by **Neuuman** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:06 am

seek & destroy wrote:
wbmd wrote:Anybody seen any All-Conference Teams listed yet?
I believe this is the South Suburban Conference list:

All Conference
1. Ryan Dorn 12 Prior Lake
2. Kyle Miller 11 Prior Lake
3. Nick Nielsen 12 Jefferson
4. Johnny Roisum 12 Jefferson
5. Eric Freschi 12 Jefferson
6. Ryan Siiro 12 Jefferson
7. Michael Zajac 11 Eagan
8. Will Merchant 11 Eagan
9. Eli May 11 Eagan
10. Bodhi Engum 12 Burnsville
11. Sean Madigan 12 Burnsville
12. Eddie Wittchow 12 Burnsville
13. Mike Dockry 12 Burnsville
14. Justin Kloos 11 Lakeville South
15. Drew Brevig 12 Lakeville South
16. Alex Harvey 11 Lakeville South
17. Scott Nelson 11 Eastview
18. Max Smith 12 Eastview
19. A.J. Michaelson 11 Apple Valley
20. Derek Smith 11 Apple Valley
21. Hudson Fasching 10 Apple Valley
22. Aaron Gretz 12 Apple Valley
23. Blake Winiecki 11 Lakeville North
24. Charlie Lindgren 11 Lakeville North

Honorable Mention
1. Mike Cossalter 12 Rosemount
2. Andy Gustafson 11 Rosemount
3. Connor Langfield 12 Rosemount
4. Kyle Krueger 11 Prior Lake
5. Matt Crist 11 Prior Lake
6. Tommy Vidmar 11 Prior Lake
7. Tommy Bodeker 12 Eagan
8. Nick Kuchera 11 Eagan
9. John Carroll 12 Eagan
10. Sam Wolfe 11 Eagan
11. Tim Donahue 12 Jefferson
12. Cam Bentz 12 Jefferson
13. Brady Dornfeld 12 Jefferson
14. Cory Chapman 11 Burnsville
15. Jace Childs 12 Burnsville
16. Nick Senta 12 Burnsville
17. Ryan Kutzler 12 Kennedy
18. Sam Merchant 12 Kennedy
19. Joe Freemark 11 Lakeville South
20. Charlie Heller 11 Lakeville South
21. Ethan Quinnell 12 Lakeville South
22. Bryce Gustafson 12 Eastview
23. Taylor Branstad 12 Eastview
24. Vince Pedrie 11 Apple Valley
25. Michael Berens 12 Apple Valley
26. Kris Goodman 12 Apple Valley
27. Gordon Kappers 12 Lakeville North
28. Tory Merz 12 Lakeville North
29. Charlie Hayes 11 Lakeville North

I am certainly not trying to disparage any of the "all Conference" selections (including honorable mention) for the South Suburban Conference. But, just do the math. The number of players named All conference or "honorable mention" All conference, (per this list) is 53 players. With 12 teams in the conference, we can assume 20 players per team - 240 players total. The math works out to 22% of the players in the conference were "All Conference" or honorable mention. With that being said, what is "All Conference" supposed to represent? Compare this to the NCAA "All American" teams. They name 6 position players to the first "All American" team and 6 to the 2nd team "All American". It seems we're getting awfully close to "everybody who plays gets a trophy" At least to me, it seems recognizing an athlete as "one of the best in the conference" should mean more than "he was better than more than 78%" of the rest of the players. Just one man's opinion, but to me it looks like we are "championing" mediocrity.

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:56 am

Neuuman wrote: I am certainly not trying to disparage any of the "all Conference" selections (including honorable mention) for the South Suburban Conference. But, just do the math. The number of players named All conference or "honorable mention" All conference, (per this list) is 53 players. With 12 teams in the conference, we can assume 20 players per team - 240 players total. The math works out to 22% of the players in the conference were "All Conference" or honorable mention. With that being said, what is "All Conference" supposed to represent? Compare this to the NCAA "All American" teams. They name 6 position players to the first "All American" team and 6 to the 2nd team "All American". It seems we're getting awfully close to "everybody who plays gets a trophy" At least to me, it seems recognizing an athlete as "one of the best in the conference" should mean more than "he was better than more than 78%" of the rest of the players. Just one man's opinion, but to me it looks like we are "championing" mediocrity.

I agree that it seems a little much. It would be better to name 2 all conference teams (3 forwards, 2 defensemen, 1 goalie each) and than 10-12 honorable mentions. That would be a total of 22-24 players from a conference with roughly 240 or about 10%. It would have more meaning and fall in line with what most conferences do around the country. Congrats to all these players named but 53 is a little overkill.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:13 am

seek & destroy wrote:
Neuuman wrote: I am certainly not trying to disparage any of the "all Conference" selections (including honorable mention) for the South Suburban Conference. But, just do the math. The number of players named All conference or "honorable mention" All conference, (per this list) is 53 players. With 12 teams in the conference, we can assume 20 players per team - 240 players total. The math works out to 22% of the players in the conference were "All Conference" or honorable mention. With that being said, what is "All Conference" supposed to represent? Compare this to the NCAA "All American" teams. They name 6 position players to the first "All American" team and 6 to the 2nd team "All American". It seems we're getting awfully close to "everybody who plays gets a trophy" At least to me, it seems recognizing an athlete as "one of the best in the conference" should mean more than "he was better than more than 78%" of the rest of the players. Just one man's opinion, but to me it looks like we are "championing" mediocrity.
I agree that it seems a little much. It would be better to name 2 all conference teams (3 forwards, 2 defensemen, 1 goalie each) and than 10-12 honorable mentions. That would be a total of 22-24 players from a conference with roughly 240 or about 10%. It would have more meaning and fall in line with what most conferences do around the country. Congrats to all these players named but 53 is a little overkill.

Isn't that what "all conference" already is, top 10%? I'm not sure about the team make up, but was wondering if someone familar with the conf. could break down the F, D & G? 24 AC seems to be an odd number.

cooper26 · Post by **cooper26** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:57 am

Teams that finish higher in the standings get more spots.

22% - basically the top "fifth". Half of those are all conference, half are honorable mention. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. "The guys that more often than not made the difference in the games." "The guys that worked hard for 2 or 3 years and deserve to, someday, show their kids they won an award once." What's wrong with that? The "winners" are not moving on to any next step based on their being picked. They are not taking your kid's spot. And there is no reason to restrict the numbers by position. It is just a nod to talent. "Good job, thanks."

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:04 am

cooper26 wrote:22% - basically the top "fifth".

But consider that of the 53 that were selected only one is a sophomore, and there were no freshmen. So the percentage of juniors and seniors is higher than 22%. Whatever it is I think the number needs to be cut down so that being named All Conference means more than it does as it stands now. Several teams have 7 kids on the two lists combined, and so if you're a junior or senior but are not selected it's like a slap in the face.

cooper26 · Post by **cooper26** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:19 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:
cooper26 wrote:22% - basically the top "fifth".
But consider that of the 53 that were selected only one is a sophomore, and there were no freshmen. So the percentage of juniors and seniors is higher than 22%. Whatever it is I think the number needs to be cut down so that being named All Conference means more than it does as it stands now. Several teams have 7 kids on the two lists combined, and so if you're a junior or senior but are not selected it's like a slap in the face.

I disagree. The numbers are rarely that cut & dried on any team (juniors and seniors vs. underclassmen). The "slap in the face" scenario can happen with any combination of numbers on any team at any time. It's up to the adults to try and avoid that. (Some would argue for MORE awards to avoid that (not me)).

Reducing the number of awards does not automatically translate in to making them more meaningful. They are what they are - honorary. It's not all about "talent". The coaches in each conference have a lot of leeway in pushing for the kids on their teams they would like recognized. Some get it for talent, others for hard work, hustle, perseverence, good attitude, leadership, etc. etc.

There's nothing wrong with the system. Leave it alone.

Oldtimehockeyguy23 · Post by **Oldtimehockeyguy23** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:45 pm

yeah, in my opinion there isn't anything wrong with the number of players getting represented. All-conference cannot be compared to All-american but that is why we have all-state isn't it? All-conference should be a player that is a good player in the conference. also, the south suburban conference isn't that strong compared to say the lake conference. It is very tough to make the lake conference all-conference team.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:50 pm

While the SSC is not the equal of the Lake, they did post a 4-2 record at state and had several other solid teams in their conference.

Neuuman · Post by **Neuuman** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:45 pm

cooper26 wrote:Teams that finish higher in the standings get more spots.

22% - basically the top "fifth". Half of those are all conference, half are honorable mention. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. "The guys that more often than not made the difference in the games." "The guys that worked hard for 2 or 3 years and deserve to, someday, show their kids they won an award once." What's wrong with that? The "winners" are not moving on to any next step based on their being picked. They are not taking your kid's spot. And there is no reason to restrict the numbers by position. It is just a nod to talent. "Good job, thanks."

I'm not trying to be cruel, but it goes back to my original point. Winning an award or being recognized as somehow "elite" or "above your peers" should actually mean something. I played high school hockey in the early 80's and was a 3 year varsity player. I tried, I worked hard, I was a good teammate. I just wasn't a very good player. I wasn't named all-conference either. I didn't deserve it, flat out. If I HAD been named "All Conference", I would have thought there was something wrong with the system. I wasn't "horrible", but I was above average (arguably in the "top" 22%-25%). If I HAD been named "All Conference", I can't imagine I would tell my son "oh, look at daddy, he was All Conference". It's a cold world - after high school, nobody cares if you received some "recognition" for slightly above average accomplishments. Why send these kids out into the cold, real world thinking they're better than they are? Look at it this way - I've never heard of a high school that has 10 valedictorians and honorable mention for the distinction. The truth is that after high school it's "dog eat dog" and you either fend for yourself and succeed or fail. The sooner kids know (to paraphrase Mic Jagger) "you can't always get what you want", the better.

IMHO

cooper26 · Post by **cooper26** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:03 pm

Neuuman wrote:
cooper26 wrote:Teams that finish higher in the standings get more spots.

22% - basically the top "fifth". Half of those are all conference, half are honorable mention. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. "The guys that more often than not made the difference in the games." "The guys that worked hard for 2 or 3 years and deserve to, someday, show their kids they won an award once." What's wrong with that? The "winners" are not moving on to any next step based on their being picked. They are not taking your kid's spot. And there is no reason to restrict the numbers by position. It is just a nod to talent. "Good job, thanks."
I'm not trying to be cruel, but it goes back to my original point. Winning an award or being recognized as somehow "elite" or "above your peers" should actually mean something. I played high school hockey in the early 80's and was a 3 year varsity player. I tried, I worked hard, I was a good teammate. I just wasn't a very good player. I wasn't named all-conference either. I didn't deserve it, flat out. If I HAD been named "All Conference", I would have thought there was something wrong with the system. I wasn't "horrible", but I was above average (arguably in the "top" 22%-25%). If I HAD been named "All Conference", I can't imagine I would tell my son "oh, look at daddy, he was All Conference". It's a cold world - after high school, nobody cares if you received some "recognition" for slightly above average accomplishments. Why send these kids out into the cold, real world thinking they're better than they are? Look at it this way - I've never heard of a high school that has 10 valedictorians and honorable mention for the distinction. The truth is that after high school it's "dog eat dog" and you either fend for yourself and succeed or fail. The sooner kids know (to paraphrase Mic Jagger) "you can't always get what you want", the better.

IMHO

I see now. The line should be drawn where you think it should be, because that's the way "it always was" and if it was good enough for you, it should be good enough for everyone else, right? I just didn't realize why all these x-hockey players were running around after graduation acting like they were special. We sure screwed them up, eh??

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:39 pm

All Conference. It's an award the coach hands out to recognize his top players. The higher you finish in the conference, the more all conference players you get to select. It has nothing to do with the top 9 forwards in the conference, or the top six defenseman, nor the top 2 goalies.

It was just a couple of years ago, that the SEC had 7 goalies named all conference out of 10 teams. Obviously, these 7 coaches thought their goalies played a significant role in the teams success.

Let's face it. A true All Conference would be voted on by all coaches within the conference, selecting the best players of all of the teams. Not just a coach selecting his own players based on the number of players that team earned by their position in the conference standings.

Jimbo99 · Post by **Jimbo99** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:17 pm

BodyShots wrote:All Conference. It's an award the coach hands out to recognize his top players. The higher you finish in the conference, the more all conference players you get to select. It has nothing to do with the top 9 forwards in the conference, or the top six defenseman, nor the top 2 goalies.

Exactly.

BodyShots wrote:It was just a couple of years ago, that the SEC had 7 goalies named all conference out of 10 teams. Obviously, these 7 coaches thought their goalies played a significant role in the teams success.

Very possible.

BodyShots wrote:Let's face it. A true All Conference would be voted on by all coaches within the conference, selecting the best players of all of the teams. Not just a coach selecting his own players based on the number of players that team earned by their position in the conference standings.

And this is HS hockey with a very limited schedule. Coaches don't have the time, energy, or interest to be rating all the players on their opponent's teams. So they do it the way they do it and it makes perfect sense. It isn't broken so there's no need to fix it.

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:11 pm

SUBURBAN EAST

White Bear players only

ALL-CONFERENCE

Max Birkinbine
Mac Jansen
R.J. Majkozak
Brandon Wahlin

HONORABLE MENTION

Lance Carney
Jack Morrisette
Mitch Morrisette
Jared Schletty

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:28 pm

Hard to argue any of those WBL kids. Congrats to all of them.