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Post by auld_skool » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:38 pm

bchlhockey wrote:Question:

Why doesn't the Elite leagues invite the Minnesota Blades to compete
in the Elite 1 and the Elite Development leagues?

IMO, it makes sense to give more MN kids some exposure versus
the Colorado Rampage.
Great question considering SSM is always in.

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Post by icedad » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:40 pm

bchlhockey wrote:Question:

Why doesn't the Elite leagues invite the Minnesota Blades to compete
in the Elite 1 and the Elite Development leagues?
Wouldn't the Blades kids already be on Elite teams from their respective areas?

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Post by bchlhockey » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:47 pm

I don't know this answer.

However, if the Elite league let the MN Blades in, the Blades kids would
play for the Blades and then the Elite league would have roster spots
available for other qualified MN kids.

Shattuck gets in with an allstar team from North America and Colorado
also gets in. What about the Minnesota kids?

I believe the founders of the Elite league started this league so MN kids
wouldn't go play for Jr teams. Why not make it an all-MN league so more
MN kids could get some nice exposure?

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Post by hockeyfan893 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:01 pm

I think if a Minnesota AAA team like the Blades were allowed to play in the Elite League, you'd say more high end talent playing for the Blades than for the traditional Elite League teams. Considering that the fall Blades teams also play tournaments like the Nike Bauer Invitational down in Chicago, one might get more games and exposure playing with them than being rooted in the Elite League bureaucracy. They will never do this however, because the Elite League will lose out on talent and money they can call their own. Allowing a Blades or other program to play would also raise the stock of private club hockey in Minnesota, something that the bureaucracy also wants to limit.

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Post by bchlhockey » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:13 pm

Charge the Blades players the same amount as the other Elite teams and they wouldn't lose any revenue.

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Post by karl(east) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:42 pm

icedad wrote:Was there a post or two deleted after Spellchecker's 8/11 post? Someone please PM me if you still have it in your cache.
I didn't delete anything, but the forum has been a bit screwy for me today, so it's possible that a post or two disappeared. Wouldn't be the first time. :?

As for the question about the Blades, I think it's pretty straightforward. Sure, it would be fine if they invited the Blades to play for one year, but that could easily open the door for other existing or future programs to (justifiably) also demand inclusion. Before long, the Elite League would be watered down by the addition of other private teams, and also possibly overtaken by said teams. That isn't too much of an issue with a team from Colorado that is invited in, or Shattuck, which has been around for a while now and has not spawned a mountain of copycat schools trying to create national hockey powers. Private schools and private hockey are two very different animals, even if they are both symptoms of the same trend.

Not saying it's right or wrong or getting into why this has come to be (unless someone wants me to...)--just explaining the reasoning.

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Post by Nuts&Bolts » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:02 pm

The Elite league is already watered down and driving upper-end players out as a result. The most recent example is Sean Lang from AV leaving to play in the NAHL. Lang deserved one of the 6 spots on Team EP/STA - I mean Southeast. Maybe its time for the MSHSL to look at the involvement of HS coaching staffs in all the connected programs (Select 15-17s, Elite, D League, etc). Is there any doubt why EP draws kids - coaching staff involvement, promises and parents on the selection committee essentially guarantees an extra two-thirds of a prep season for better than half of the EP varsity team. BTW - any kids from Armstrong make an Elite roster?. There were senior defensemen from East Ridge, Woodbury, Hastings, Eagan, SSP and AV that all could replace many on the SE roster (that sounds to be coached by a frequent visitor of the St. Thomas ice rink).

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leaving early

Post by rudy » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:21 pm

Good luck to Sean Lang of Apple Valley. He's a first-class kid with great parents who do well keeping things in perspective. Coulee has a great reputation in the NA.

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Post by MrBoDangles » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:47 pm

Nuts&Bolts wrote:The Elite league is already watered down and driving upper-end players out as a result. The most recent example is Sean Lang from AV leaving to play in the NAHL. Lang deserved one of the 6 spots on Team EP/STA - I mean Southeast. Maybe its time for the MSHSL to look at the involvement of HS coaching staffs in all the connected programs (Select 15-17s, Elite, D League, etc). Is there any doubt why EP draws kids - coaching staff involvement, promises and parents on the selection committee essentially guarantees an extra two-thirds of a prep season for better than half of the EP varsity team. BTW - any kids from Armstrong make an Elite roster?. There were senior defensemen from East Ridge, Woodbury, Hastings, Eagan, SSP and AV that all could replace many on the SE roster (that sounds to be coached by a frequent visitor of the St. Thomas ice rink).
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Post by deacon64 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:05 am

Nuts&Bolts wrote:The Elite league is already watered down and driving upper-end players out as a result. The most recent example is Sean Lang from AV leaving to play in the NAHL. Lang deserved one of the 6 spots on Team EP/STA - I mean Southeast. Maybe its time for the MSHSL to look at the involvement of HS coaching staffs in all the connected programs (Select 15-17s, Elite, D League, etc). Is there any doubt why EP draws kids - coaching staff involvement, promises and parents on the selection committee essentially guarantees an extra two-thirds of a prep season for better than half of the EP varsity team. BTW - any kids from Armstrong make an Elite roster?. There were senior defensemen from East Ridge, Woodbury, Hastings, Eagan, SSP and AV that all could replace many on the SE roster (that sounds to be coached by a frequent visitor of the St. Thomas ice rink).
Right on, if a person takes a little time easy to identify the bias. Too bad many quality seniors are being left off rosters because of what is happening. Elite now means self proclaimed elite. :(

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Re: leaving early

Post by auld_skool » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:30 am

rudy wrote:Good luck to Sean Lang of Apple Valley. He's a first-class kid with great parents who do well keeping things in perspective. Coulee has a great reputation in the NA.
+1. Hats off to him for having the courage to follow his dreams. As a '94 senior he'll have a much better chance of getting where he wants to go by playing Juniors this winter.

What happened to him is what you get when you have all the favoritism and insider trading that takes place now in the Elite League. As each year passes it becomes more of a joke. Maybe a fair idea when it was begun, now a very overrated fall hockey experience for most kids. Add some really terrible coaching and I think we'll see more and more kids leave early for junior hockey. Rightly so in my opinion. Minnesota Hockey will change, albeit slowly, as athletes continue to demand more than our 1950's model can deliver.

As they say, don't ask me how I know.

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Post by CasseauCougar » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:47 pm

CasseauCougar wrote:
IMHO wrote:Who let the proverbial ‘coaching’ fox in the chicken coop for Metro Northwest? Glad he was able to get his kid on the team along with 6 other Blaine skaters AND an alternate. You would have thought that after his embarassing display at the Section Championship last year that someone would have the common sense to stay away from him.
So this is the kind of guy they get to coach (AND evaluate) for Team Metro Northwest??? SHAME on the organizers!
Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote: Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Michael Brodzinski

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Tornadoes 2003StateChamps wrote:
Is there any truth that after Michael was given the 5 min major and the 10 min misconduct that his father was able to confront the refs in their locker room and was tossed from the rink for his conduct? This was the game at the Coliseum against Maple Grove.

Easton18 wrote:Witnessed it first hand, pretty ugly scene. Unfortunate that at the Coliseum the refs have to walk through the concourse to get to their locker room. Makes them a pretty open target for verbal abuse, as Mr. Brodzinski demonstrated. He had to be restrained by a couple parents, and the refs were escorted back to the ice for the second period by a pair of police officers. Certainly not what you want to see at a high school sporting event.
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Heard that situation resolved itself. Brodzinski was removed as coach.

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Post by hockeypub » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:00 pm

The situation wasn't resolved by Brodzinski being removed as the coach. He still picked the team and filled it with JV Blaine kids instead of more deserving kids.

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Post by Nuts&Bolts » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:30 pm

At least Mr. Brodzinski is just a dad with a bias towards the home community. Do we think this scenario is even close to comparable to HS coaching staff members running/influencing an elite team that end up with half of their team they coach during the winter playing in the league? I missed that STA had yet another D (10th grader) selected for the Northeast team. Four D from STA in the league when all 4 would be challenged to be in the top 6 at a single SE school like East Ridge that had a couple of qualified seniors overlooked - plus the 2 from EP that come behind several of the local SE school talent? C'mon. Mandate the league make-up consists of 85% seniors and not more than 15% juniors (no sophomores allowed) and you can eliminate much of the stacking from a handful of teams. Also, if you coach at a HS program, no coaching/evaluating in or for the "Elite" league. Politics will always exists but if you want to play in truly an elite league, more likely than not you need to stick around for your senior year and not be so reliant on your name and connections with the HS coach or others on the selection committee.

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Post by icedad » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:41 pm

Nuts&Bolts wrote:Mandate the league make-up consists of 85% seniors and not more than 15% juniors (no sophomores allowed) and you can eliminate much of the stacking from a handful of teams. Also, if you coach at a HS program, no coaching/evaluating in or for the "Elite" league. Politics will always exists but if you want to play in truly an elite league, more likely than not you need to stick around for your senior year and not be so reliant on your name and connections with the HS coach or others on the selection committee.
All great ideas !!! :idea:

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Post by Nobodyonya » Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:16 pm

icedad wrote:
Nuts&Bolts wrote:Mandate the league make-up consists of 85% seniors and not more than 15% juniors (no sophomores allowed) and you can eliminate much of the stacking from a handful of teams. Also, if you coach at a HS program, no coaching/evaluating in or for the "Elite" league. Politics will always exists but if you want to play in truly an elite league, more likely than not you need to stick around for your senior year and not be so reliant on your name and connections with the HS coach or others on the selection committee.
All great ideas !!! :idea:
Might want to include no parent coach/evaluator also. Brodzinski is a good example.

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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:38 pm

So Eagan has 7 players in Elite League this year, can anyone tell me why their top 3 remaining players from last year, Peterson, Willox and Glienke are not playing ?? Curious.
It's not the Best players, it's the Right players! HB

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Post by scorekeeper » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:05 am

HappyHockeyFan wrote:So Eagan has 7 players in Elite League this year, can anyone tell me why their top 3 remaining players from last year, Peterson, Willox and Glienke are not playing ?? Curious.

Gleinke and Peterson are on Team SE

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Post by Toomuchtoosoon » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:45 pm

Apparently he can't maintain a cohesive thought either.

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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:01 pm

scorekeeper wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:So Eagan has 7 players in Elite League this year, can anyone tell me why their top 3 remaining players from last year, Peterson, Willox and Glienke are not playing ?? Curious.

Gleinke and Peterson are on Team SE
How come they are not listed on the roster posted on the elite website??
It's not the Best players, it's the Right players! HB

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Post by almostashappy » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:22 pm

HappyHockeyFan wrote:
scorekeeper wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:So Eagan has 7 players in Elite League this year, can anyone tell me why their top 3 remaining players from last year, Peterson, Willox and Glienke are not playing ?? Curious.

Gleinke and Peterson are on Team SE
How come they are not listed on the roster posted on the elite website??
http://www.hselitehockey.com/roster/sho ... ason=80533

Also saw their names listed on the roster in the latest issue of LPH. It was easy to find them...just ran my finger down the "high school" column and stopped whenever it was something other than STA or EP.

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How come ???

Post by What_Im_talkin_bout » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:08 am

Why no results or stats out of the Prep D league. Showcase is better run.

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Re: How come ???

Post by hshockeyfan8 » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:03 pm

What_Im_talkin_bout wrote:Why no results or stats out of the Prep D league. Showcase is better run.

Because the first games are today, same with Elite league.

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Re: How come ???

Post by Slap Shot » Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:19 pm

What_Im_talkin_bout wrote:Why no results or stats out of the Prep D league. Showcase is better run.
sherpaderp

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Post by Wasilla » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:48 pm

almostashappy wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
scorekeeper wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:So Eagan has 7 players in Elite League this year, can anyone tell me why their top 3 remaining players from last year, Peterson, Willox and Glienke are not playing ?? Curious.

Gleinke and Peterson are on Team SE
How come they are not listed on the roster posted on the elite website??
http://www.hselitehockey.com/roster/sho ... ason=80533

Also saw their names listed on the roster in the latest issue of LPH. It was easy to find them...just ran my finger down the "high school" column and stopped whenever it was something other than STA or EP.
Add another for EP- player "Colton Schmidt" (who has never been on an EP roster) but is listed in the elite tryouts as an EP player- is now added to an Elite team...so does that bring EP up to 8 and STA still @ 9?

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