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Maverick2000
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New rankings

Post by Maverick2000 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:45 pm

New lets play hockey rankings: 11/20

High School Girls AA

1 BENILDE-ST. MARGARET'S
2 Minnetonka
3 Hill-Murray
4 Hopkins
5 Wayzata
6 Edina
7 Eden Prairie
8 Lakeville North
9 Buffalo
10 Dodge County
11 Roseville Area
12 Mounds View
13 Blaine
14 North Wright County
15 Lakeville South
16 Armstrong/Cooper
17 Stillwater Area
18 Andover
19 Bloomington Jefferson
20 Cretin-Derham Hall





High School Girls A

1 RED WING
2 Blake
3 South St. Paul
4 Thief River Falls
5 Breck
6 Warroad
7 Orono
8 Mound Westonka
9 Hibbing/Chisholm
10 Proctor/Hermantown
11 Achiever Academy
12 St. Paul United
13 East Grand Forks
14 Mankato East/Loyola
15 Totino-Grace
16 Alexandria
17 New Prague
18 Northfield
19 New Ulm
20 Crookston

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Post by State Champ 97 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:30 am

Interesting since # 13 EGF beat #6 Warroad on Tuesday 4-1. The Let's Play Metro Hockey got it wrong again. I would guess there are some poor judgements with other schools as well. Especially the outstate.

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Post by MN_Bowhunter » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:41 am

State Champ 97 wrote:Interesting since # 13 EGF beat #6 Warroad on Tuesday 4-1. The Let's Play Metro Hockey got it wrong again. I would guess there are some poor judgements with other schools as well. Especially the outstate.
I would imagine that the rankings are set at least a couple days before the paper goes to print. The rankings that come out on Thursday are not likely to reflect Tuesday's results.

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Post by C-dad » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:01 am

MN_Bowhunter wrote:
State Champ 97 wrote:Interesting since # 13 EGF beat #6 Warroad on Tuesday 4-1. The Let's Play Metro Hockey got it wrong again. I would guess there are some poor judgements with other schools as well. Especially the outstate.
I would imagine that the rankings are set at least a couple days before the paper goes to print. The rankings that come out on Thursday are not likely to reflect Tuesday's results.
Damit, logic and reason has no place in these threads! We are here to be outraged at all the unfairness!

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Post by MNHockeyFan » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:04 am

MN_Bowhunter wrote:I would imagine that the rankings are set at least a couple days before the paper goes to print. The rankings that come out on Thursday are not likely to reflect Tuesday's results.
I wish they would update their rankings following each weekend, on Mondays, like USCHO and USA Today do for the college teams. That way you would know which games are included for sure. But LPH has always done it mid-week, I suppose to match the weekly publication date of their paper edition.

P.S. I wonder when was the last time Warroad lost three games in a row?

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Post by Maverick2000 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:21 am

Kevin is the editor at lets play hockey. I asked our HS coach how this is done and format. Sounds like hs coaches submit their votes every wed morning by noon so he can get the paper to press but results are posted online on the website around 300pm. Again sounds like you must have a active hs coach and coaches that pay attention to what is happening around the state....no teams play on wed so this seems to be a good format.

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???

Post by Nevertoomuchhockey » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:55 am

Achiever too low.
Proctor/ Hermantown WAY too high.
IMHO. ](*,)

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Post by panpan111 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:41 pm

Class AA - Buffalo...who has the cricket sounder? ...play somebody, goalie graduated! Forgot Centennial!
Class A - EGF, AA way too low!

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Post by AAA Dad » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:19 pm

State Champ 97 wrote:Interesting since # 13 EGF beat #6 Warroad on Tuesday 4-1. The Let's Play Metro Hockey got it wrong again. I would guess there are some poor judgements with other schools as well. Especially the outstate.
Oh there are some issues with rankings with some Metro teams as well in my opinion but it will all get straightened out when all teams have more games played. Some teams only have a couple games in the books. Big weekend for Warroad to either find footing or not in the rankings with Breck and Edina on deck.

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Post by sinbin » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:40 pm

No one is implying that there's any sort of favortism, politicking, or gamesmanship going on with the voting, are they? How boring this forum would be if everything was done logically and perfectly.

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Post by sinbin » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:56 pm

SChamp97 - I won't defend anyone's picks, but in any ranking system, there is often a lag between results and rankings, to AAADad's point. It takes a few weeks for the dust to settle. E.g., everyone thinks Smith HS is great based on last season. They win a game, still great. They lose a game, must have been a fluke, but they're probably still pretty good. They lose 4 games in a row - oops, they aren't as good as I thought they were, I need to move them down about 10 places and move some other teams up. To use another metaphor, the cream will rise to the top. And again, only the late February rankings really matter.

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Post by State Champ 97 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:50 am

sinbin wrote:SChamp97 - I won't defend anyone's picks, but in any ranking system, there is often a lag between results and rankings, to AAADad's point. It takes a few weeks for the dust to settle. E.g., everyone thinks Smith HS is great based on last season. They win a game, still great. They lose a game, must have been a fluke, but they're probably still pretty good. They lose 4 games in a row - oops, they aren't as good as I thought they were, I need to move them down about 10 places and move some other teams up. To use another metaphor, the cream will rise to the top. And again, only the late February rankings really matter.
That is true. The cream will rise to the top. My attitude toward that paper has been generated over years, nit days. Just the latest example that I could prove.

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Post by sinbin » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:27 am

This is only a guess, but if all HS coaches submit votes, then it's up to their combined votes, not LPH's influence, to determine rankings. So if there is any metro bias, perhaps it's because there are a greater number of metro teams/coaches and they vote on what and who they know? Maybe since Warroad has "always" been at the top, the coaches keep them there until they receive evidence otherwise and then re-adjust their picks accordingly. I guess at the end of the season, non-metro teams always have the chance to send a couple teams to State and they can let their on-ice play do the talking and prove the rankers wrong.

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Post by State Champ 97 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:50 am

Metro or outstate, it isn't always the best teams at state.

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Post by sinbin » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:52 am

On that I very much agree.

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:09 am

KRACH says:
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 277#635277

a rough first shot - I haven't double checked any of the records, section assignments, etc. so I fully expect some feedback or errors to be found.

OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA.htm

CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA.htm

CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A.htm

AA:

RK TEAM RECORD RATING
1 Hopkins 6-0-0 213.973
2 Minnetonka 5-0-0 204.579
3 Wayzata 6-0-1 167.404
4 Benilde-St. Margaret's 4-0-1 153.503
5 Roseville 4-0-0 131.163
6 Edina 6-0-1 124.989
7 Hill-Murray 1-0-0 110.275
8 Eden Prairie 4-1-0 78.834
9 Centennial 3-0-0 77.807
10 East Ridge 3-0-0 65.829
11 Rochester JM/Lourdes 4-1-0 65.374
12 Owatonna 3-0-0 60.311
13 Roseau 3-2-0 37.770
14 Bloomington Jefferson 3-1-0 36.055
15 Stillwater 3-1-0 35.456
16 Dodge County 2-1-0 34.859
17 Irondale 3-1-0 32.107
18 Rochester Century 4-1-0 30.240
19 Lakeville South 2-1-0 30.132
20 Lakeville North 2-1-1 29.114


A:

RK TEAM RECORD RATING
1 East Grand Forks 5-0-0 121.586
2 Red Wing 4-0-0 89.059
3 Achiever Academy 6-1-0 80.657
4 Blake 3-1-0 53.263
5 Thief River Falls 4-0-0 52.843
6 South St Paul 2-0-1 43.585
7 Mound-Westonka 4-1-0 25.633
8 New Ulm 4-0-0 25.475
9 Mankato East 3-1-0 25.398
10 Luverne 2-0-0 20.848
11 Totino-Grace 2-1-0 18.696
12 Rogers 3-1-0 18.246
13 Orono 3-3-0 17.295
14 Hibbing/Chisholm 1-1-0 16.900
15 Mahtomedi 2-2-1 15.892
16 Breck 2-3-0 15.511
17 Proctor/Hermantown 2-1-0 15.179
18 Simley 2-1-0 14.818
19 Alexandria 4-1-0 14.737
20 St. Paul United 2-2-1 14.684

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