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2014-15 KRACH RANK - MGHCA WEBSITE - 2/24 FINAL (19323)

Post by ghshockeyfan » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:40 am

The KRACH rankings for MN Girls' HS Hockey are now available on the MGHCA website.

http://www.bgoski.com (forward link)

http://www.mghca.com/page/show/427504-krach-rankings (direct link)

The final rankings for the past 12 seasons will also be archived there in addition to the most current season's rankings, once ready for release (later this month).
ghshockeyfan wrote:Main website: http://www.bgoski.com/krach
See MN Hockey Hub for rankings and more info.:
http://www.mghca.com/page/show/427504-krach-rankings
1) This only counts games vs. MSHSL varsity teams.
2) This only uses scores entered on the Girls' Hockey Hub/MGHCA website:
http://www.mghca.com
To enter a missing score contact your team rep. Each team should have a person responsible for updating this information (coach, parent, manager, etc.) - you can also email: scores@tstmedia.com - see: http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/page/sh ... mit-scores (they really want a scoresheet image though)
3) For past years' ranking and further explanation:
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31794
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29597
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27266
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24859
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21598
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18448
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7973
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4348
4) Most Recent Ranking Links:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS.htm
==========================================
5) Past Ranking Links for 2013-14:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2004-5_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2003-4_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
pre-KRACH OA rankings:
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2003g.htm (2002-3 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2002g.htm (2001-2 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2001g.htm (2000-1 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2000g.htm (1999-2000 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps1999g.htm (1998-9 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/archives.htm (General Pre-KRACH Archives)
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH) - instead see http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 10&class=3
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2004-5_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2003-4_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
***No pre-KRACH Class rankings
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH) - instead see http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 10&class=2
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2004-5_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2003-4_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
***No pre-KRACH Class rankings
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
***2004-5_FINAL (No KRACH by Section)
***2003-4_FINAL (No KRACH by Section)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
***No pre-KRACH Section rankings
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH)
***2006-7_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_2005-6_FINAL.htm
***2004-5_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
***2003-4_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
***2002-3_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
***No pre-KRACH SOS rankings
==========================================

31 Dec 2006 15:56
ghshockeyfan wrote:I get asked a lot about the KRACH method of ranking, related issues, etc. as posted at:

http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/fron ... entID=1830
&
http://bgoski.com/rank/

Here are some key links for more info. if anyone wants it:

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... =6&stop=10
http://p100.ezboard.com/fmnhsfrm19.show ... 9&stop=149
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7973


USCHO (Claims that this system is best for SOS concerns):
www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=krach
www.uscho.com/FAQs/?data=krach

Ken Butler's original KRACH explanation page (with examples):
www.mscs.dal.ca/~butler/krachexp.htm
***This seems to be the best explenation...

John Whelan has a more detailed mathematical analysis of KRACH.:
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach
System Comparison of College Hockey...
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach
A Proposed Modification to the NCAA Selection Criteria:
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach

SiouxSports.com's independently calculated KRACH ratings (normalized so North Dakota's KRACH rating is 100.):
www.siouxsports.com/hocke.../krach.php
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Post by sinbin » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:26 am

Thanks for the impressive body of work ghs - and for deftly handling the ranking methodology questions as well as the annual ranking debates!

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2014-15 1st KRACH - 08-Nov-2014 - Too early, but...

Post by ghshockeyfan » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:48 pm

Probably won't post these for a while on MGHCA site as KRACH needs more data (games) to be of value, but for those that want to see how the first games work with KRACH, I'll post this here.

Looking at this early helped me initially understand how KRACH works, that it doesn't look at score or class, and that it only considers W/L/T & the strength of the schedule a team plays.

Keep in mind - only 38 of 120 teams have played (19 games). No team has yet to play a second game as of this AM.

The 18 that won are tied for #1 overall

The 2 that tied are considered equal to all 82 teams that didn't play (84 teams tied for #19 overall)

The 18 that lost are tied for #103 overall

OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141108.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141108.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141108.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141108.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141108.htm

Here are the results of the 19 games from the Hub as of this AM - note that a 20th game was PPD on 11/6:

11/6/2014 Centennial 1 Eden Prairie 8
11/6/2014 Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper 1 Edina 10
11/6/2014 North Metro 0 Hopkins 10
11/6/2014 Anoka 1 Wayzata 1
11/6/2014 Brainerd/Little Falls 2 North Wright County 5
11/6/2014 Holy Family/Waconia 2 Chaska/Chanhassen 4
11/6/2014 Albert Lea 5 Mankato West 1
11/6/2014 Faribault 2 Winona 4
11/6/2014 Mankato East 0 Red Wing 7
11/6/2014 Farmington 7 Rochester Mayo 2
11/6/2014 Breck 8 North St. Paul 0
11/6/2014 St. Francis 4 Andover 5
11/6/2014 Bemidji 1 East Grand Forks 2
11/6/2014 St. Paul United 5 Apple Valley 1
11/7/2014 Blake 3 Lakeville North 0
11/7/2014 Wadena-Deer Creek 0 Willmar 5
11/7/2014 Hastings 2 Alexandria 0
11/7/2014 New Prague 3 Duluth 1
11/7/2014 St. Peter 1 Simley 5
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Re: 2014-15 1st KRACH - 08-Nov-2014 - Too early, but...

Post by Sparlimb » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:22 pm

I thought you've said in previous years it DOES take class into consideration and penalizes an AA team for playing an A team. I only remember because I never agreed with it.

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Re: 2014-15 1st KRACH - 08-Nov-2014 - Too early, but...

Post by ghshockeyfan » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:54 am

Sparlimb wrote:I thought you've said in previous years it DOES take class into consideration and penalizes an AA team for playing an A team. I only remember because I never agreed with it.
Indirectly - but not by intentionally saying that games against Class A teams should be down-weighted.

How so?

Well, unfortunately, Class A teams are usually weaker than Class AA teams.

So, if a team plays a lot of Class A opponents, then, the team's strength-of-schedule (SOS) is likely weaker - and this subsequently hinders the team's ability to rank as highly as a team that is playing a stronger SOS (likely with games against more AA opponents).

...But, you still have to win games either way - so just playing a tough SOS doesn't mean you'll rank high if you lose, but that's not the point of this response...

Hill Murray had this problem for years in the Classic Suburban conference - where they had to play many (theoretically) weaker Class A teams based on their commitment to the conference schedule (even though they won almost all their games each year it seemed).

My understanding is that the new Metro East has addressed this to some degree by having certain conference teams play only once, thus allowing the top teams to play stronger non-conference opponents as opposed to two games against a weaker conference opponent.

The Classic Suburban addressed this too some seasons through a "powerized" schedule doing essentially the same as what the Metro East is doing now - but that was only for a few years in the mid-2000s. I remember this as I coached one of those Class A teams that only got to play a then-Class-AA SSP powerhouse 1x per season as opposed to the standard home and home 2x/year setup in a conference.

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11/9 1A - Pre-MGHCA

Post by ghshockeyfan » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:27 am

Most Recent Ranking Links:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141109.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141109.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141109.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141109.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141109.htm
==========================================
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Re: 2014-15 1st KRACH - 08-Nov-2014 - Too early, but...

Post by Sparlimb » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:04 pm

ghshockeyfan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:I thought you've said in previous years it DOES take class into consideration and penalizes an AA team for playing an A team. I only remember because I never agreed with it.
Indirectly - but not by intentionally saying that games against Class A teams should be down-weighted.

How so?

Well, unfortunately, Class A teams are usually weaker than Class AA teams.

So, if a team plays a lot of Class A opponents, then, the team's strength-of-schedule (SOS) is likely weaker - and this subsequently hinders the team's ability to rank as highly as a team that is playing a stronger SOS (likely with games against more AA opponents).

...But, you still have to win games either way - so just playing a tough SOS doesn't mean you'll rank high if you lose, but that's not the point of this response...

Hill Murray had this problem for years in the Classic Suburban conference - where they had to play many (theoretically) weaker Class A teams based on their commitment to the conference schedule (even though they won almost all their games each year it seemed).

My understanding is that the new Metro East has addressed this to some degree by having certain conference teams play only once, thus allowing the top teams to play stronger non-conference opponents as opposed to two games against a weaker conference opponent.

The Classic Suburban addressed this too some seasons through a "powerized" schedule doing essentially the same as what the Metro East is doing now - but that was only for a few years in the mid-2000s. I remember this as I coached one of those Class A teams that only got to play a then-Class-AA SSP powerhouse 1x per season as opposed to the standard home and home 2x/year setup in a conference.
I still disagree with the thought. Since the high school league makes no distinction in class during the regular season, I'm not sure why computer rankings need to. I'd consider all teams the same and just let it work itself out. Blake very well may be one of the top 5 teams in state this year. Anyone that can beat them shouldn't be penalized because their enrollment is small, instead they should get credit for beating a top 5 team. Anyway, just another opinion. Your system, your rules. I do believe Lee and Mitch's computer rankings both take all teams as one during the regular season.

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Re: 2014-15 1st KRACH - 08-Nov-2014 - Too early, but...

Post by LZ94 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:14 pm

Sparlimb wrote:
ghshockeyfan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:I thought you've said in previous years it DOES take class into consideration and penalizes an AA team for playing an A team. I only remember because I never agreed with it.
Indirectly - but not by intentionally saying that games against Class A teams should be down-weighted.

How so?

Well, unfortunately, Class A teams are usually weaker than Class AA teams.

So, if a team plays a lot of Class A opponents, then, the team's strength-of-schedule (SOS) is likely weaker - and this subsequently hinders the team's ability to rank as highly as a team that is playing a stronger SOS (likely with games against more AA opponents).

...But, you still have to win games either way - so just playing a tough SOS doesn't mean you'll rank high if you lose, but that's not the point of this response...

Hill Murray had this problem for years in the Classic Suburban conference - where they had to play many (theoretically) weaker Class A teams based on their commitment to the conference schedule (even though they won almost all their games each year it seemed).

My understanding is that the new Metro East has addressed this to some degree by having certain conference teams play only once, thus allowing the top teams to play stronger non-conference opponents as opposed to two games against a weaker conference opponent.

The Classic Suburban addressed this too some seasons through a "powerized" schedule doing essentially the same as what the Metro East is doing now - but that was only for a few years in the mid-2000s. I remember this as I coached one of those Class A teams that only got to play a then-Class-AA SSP powerhouse 1x per season as opposed to the standard home and home 2x/year setup in a conference.
I still disagree with the thought. Since the high school league makes no distinction in class during the regular season, I'm not sure why computer rankings need to. I'd consider all teams the same and just let it work itself out. Blake very well may be one of the top 5 teams in state this year. Anyone that can beat them shouldn't be penalized because their enrollment is small, instead they should get credit for beating a top 5 team. Anyway, just another opinion. Your system, your rules. I do believe Lee and Mitch's computer rankings both take all teams as one during the regular season.
Spar - if you read his explanation again, I think you will see that there is no down grading of a team for being class A or playing class A teams. How I read his explanation is that you end up getting penalized for playing class A teams strictly because more often than not they are weaker teams. Just like other systems, a team is a team, and a win is a win, but if you are playing weaker teams, your SOS will take a hit, regardless of class, it just so happens that there are more class A teams that are weaker.

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Re: 2014-15 1st KRACH - 08-Nov-2014 - Too early, but...

Post by ghshockeyfan » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:35 pm

LZ94 wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:
ghshockeyfan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:I thought you've said in previous years it DOES take class into consideration and penalizes an AA team for playing an A team. I only remember because I never agreed with it.
Indirectly - but not by intentionally saying that games against Class A teams should be down-weighted.

How so?

Well, unfortunately, Class A teams are usually weaker than Class AA teams.

So, if a team plays a lot of Class A opponents, then, the team's strength-of-schedule (SOS) is likely weaker - and this subsequently hinders the team's ability to rank as highly as a team that is playing a stronger SOS (likely with games against more AA opponents).

...But, you still have to win games either way - so just playing a tough SOS doesn't mean you'll rank high if you lose, but that's not the point of this response...

Hill Murray had this problem for years in the Classic Suburban conference - where they had to play many (theoretically) weaker Class A teams based on their commitment to the conference schedule (even though they won almost all their games each year it seemed).

My understanding is that the new Metro East has addressed this to some degree by having certain conference teams play only once, thus allowing the top teams to play stronger non-conference opponents as opposed to two games against a weaker conference opponent.

The Classic Suburban addressed this too some seasons through a "powerized" schedule doing essentially the same as what the Metro East is doing now - but that was only for a few years in the mid-2000s. I remember this as I coached one of those Class A teams that only got to play a then-Class-AA SSP powerhouse 1x per season as opposed to the standard home and home 2x/year setup in a conference.
I still disagree with the thought. Since the high school league makes no distinction in class during the regular season, I'm not sure why computer rankings need to. I'd consider all teams the same and just let it work itself out. Blake very well may be one of the top 5 teams in state this year. Anyone that can beat them shouldn't be penalized because their enrollment is small, instead they should get credit for beating a top 5 team. Anyway, just another opinion. Your system, your rules. I do believe Lee and Mitch's computer rankings both take all teams as one during the regular season.
Spar - if you read his explanation again, I think you will see that there is no down grading of a team for being class A or playing class A teams. How I read his explanation is that you end up getting penalized for playing class A teams strictly because more often than not they are weaker teams. Just like other systems, a team is a team, and a win is a win, but if you are playing weaker teams, your SOS will take a hit, regardless of class, it just so happens that there are more class A teams that are weaker.
Yes, that is what I was trying to say. KRACH treats all teams the same.

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Re: 2014-15 1st KRACH - 08-Nov-2014 - Too early, but...

Post by Sparlimb » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:37 pm

ghshockeyfan wrote:
LZ94 wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:
ghshockeyfan wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:I thought you've said in previous years it DOES take class into consideration and penalizes an AA team for playing an A team. I only remember because I never agreed with it.
Indirectly - but not by intentionally saying that games against Class A teams should be down-weighted.

How so?

Well, unfortunately, Class A teams are usually weaker than Class AA teams.

So, if a team plays a lot of Class A opponents, then, the team's strength-of-schedule (SOS) is likely weaker - and this subsequently hinders the team's ability to rank as highly as a team that is playing a stronger SOS (likely with games against more AA opponents).

...But, you still have to win games either way - so just playing a tough SOS doesn't mean you'll rank high if you lose, but that's not the point of this response...

Hill Murray had this problem for years in the Classic Suburban conference - where they had to play many (theoretically) weaker Class A teams based on their commitment to the conference schedule (even though they won almost all their games each year it seemed).

My understanding is that the new Metro East has addressed this to some degree by having certain conference teams play only once, thus allowing the top teams to play stronger non-conference opponents as opposed to two games against a weaker conference opponent.

The Classic Suburban addressed this too some seasons through a "powerized" schedule doing essentially the same as what the Metro East is doing now - but that was only for a few years in the mid-2000s. I remember this as I coached one of those Class A teams that only got to play a then-Class-AA SSP powerhouse 1x per season as opposed to the standard home and home 2x/year setup in a conference.
I still disagree with the thought. Since the high school league makes no distinction in class during the regular season, I'm not sure why computer rankings need to. I'd consider all teams the same and just let it work itself out. Blake very well may be one of the top 5 teams in state this year. Anyone that can beat them shouldn't be penalized because their enrollment is small, instead they should get credit for beating a top 5 team. Anyway, just another opinion. Your system, your rules. I do believe Lee and Mitch's computer rankings both take all teams as one during the regular season.
Spar - if you read his explanation again, I think you will see that there is no down grading of a team for being class A or playing class A teams. How I read his explanation is that you end up getting penalized for playing class A teams strictly because more often than not they are weaker teams. Just like other systems, a team is a team, and a win is a win, but if you are playing weaker teams, your SOS will take a hit, regardless of class, it just so happens that there are more class A teams that are weaker.
Yes, that is what I was trying to say. KRACH treats all teams the same.
Sorry, I guess I just misunderstood. Thank you for explaining further.

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11/12 7P - Pre-MGHCA

Post by ghshockeyfan » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:08 pm

Most Recent Ranking Links:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141112.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141112.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141112.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141112.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141112.htm
==========================================
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Post by alcloseshaver » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:11 pm

Appreciate the hard work, but computer rankings are not relevant until at least halfway through the schedule. We end up with a team like Moose Lake ranked higher than some AA powers.

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:18 pm

alcloseshaver wrote:Appreciate the hard work, but computer rankings are not relevant until at least halfway through the schedule. We end up with a team like Moose Lake ranked higher than some AA powers.
Agreed, and that's why it won't go up until then on MGHCA site.

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Post by alcloseshaver » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:55 pm

ghshockeyfan wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:Appreciate the hard work, but computer rankings are not relevant until at least halfway through the schedule. We end up with a team like Moose Lake ranked higher than some AA powers.
Agreed, and that's why it won't go up until then on MGHCA site.
Will check it out then.

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:18 pm

Reiterating from an earlier post in this thread as it may have been missed.
ghshockeyfan wrote:Probably won't post these for a while on MGHCA site as KRACH needs more data (games) to be of value, but for those that want to see how the first games work with KRACH, I'll post this here.

Looking at this early helped me initially understand how KRACH works, that it doesn't look at score or class, and that it only considers W/L/T & the strength of the schedule a team plays.

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Post by nu2hockey » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:17 am

I do like the KRACH later in the year. I think it is a better guide than LPH.

Will the MGHCA site be fully running this season or will it be more of a zombie site like last year?

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Post by wolfman » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:50 am

Is there any way B-E could get added into the KRACH ranking system? I just don't think it's fair not to include them in some way. I know they don't play Mn HS teams but they are unfairly being left out. The Wolfman thinks he is funny..

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:15 am

nu2hockey wrote:I do like the KRACH later in the year. I think it is a better guide than LPH.

Will the MGHCA site be fully running this season or will it be more of a zombie site like last year?
I believe it will be fully running, but score hosting still reflected from/on the hub. The KRACH will be there and I believe team pages available for each team to provide content should they wish.

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:27 am

wolfman wrote:Is there any way B-E could get added into the KRACH ranking system? I just don't think it's fair not to include them in some way. I know they don't play Mn HS teams but they are unfairly being left out. The Wolfman thinks he is funny..
Babbitt-Embarrass or Bauer-Emerson? I think that neither have MSHSL teams at this point as you said, but we could be wrong?

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:20 am

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141114.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141114.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141114.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141114.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141114.htm
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Post by ghshockeyfan » Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:59 am

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:00 pm

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141115.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141115.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141115.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141115.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141115.htm
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East Grand Forks 4 Hastings 0
Minnetonka 7 Warroad 0
Luverne 5 Waseca 1
Duluth 1 Orono 1
Minneapolis 8 St. Peter 2
Minnehaha United 1 Moose Lake-Willow River 4
Winona - Albert Lea -
Park Rapids 1 Eveleth-Gilbert 1
Blake 4 Chaska/Chanhassen 3
East Ridge 5 Apple Valley 2
Benilde-St. Margaret's 2 Dodge County 4
Grand Rapids/Greenway 7 Irondale 3
Lake of the Woods - LPGE/WDC -
Owatonna 1 Bloomington Jefferson 5
River Lakes 2 Roseau 9
Edina 7 Stillwater 3
Forest Lake - Cambridge-Isanti -
Spring Lake Park 5 Centennial 3
Elk River/Zimmerman 7 Totino-Grace 0
Roseville 1 Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 1
White Bear Lake 5 Crookston 2
Fergus Falls 3 Willmar 4
Holy Angels 8 St. Louis Park 2
Tartan - Northfield -
Proctor/Hermantown 7 Chisago Lakes 0
North Shore - Princeton -
Anoka - Maple Grove -
Coon Rapids 1 Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper 3
Blaine - North Metro -
New Ulm - Faribault -
Rochester Century - Rochester Mayo -
Park of Cottage Grove - Simley -
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Post by ghshockeyfan » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:25 am

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141116.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141116.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141116.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141116.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141116.htm
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Post by ghshockeyfan » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:46 am

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS.htm
==========================================

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Re: 11/19 7A - Pre-MGHCA

Post by luckyEPDad » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:35 am

My daughter is not thrilled that their recent victory over Hill Murray resulted in Eden Prairie slipping to number 2. It lead to a nice discussion about statistics and sampling sizes. Really great when three things you love all intersect (family, hockey and math).

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