2014-15 KRACH RANK - MGHCA WEBSITE - 2/24 FINAL (19323)

[sinbin]

I'm sure that ghshockeyfan can explain it much better, but Roseau's victory over a high-ranked Tonka team trumped EP's victory over a very low-ranked Hill-Murray team. As H_M goes through the season, their ranking will improve, which will make EP's victory more valuable. The rankings being KRACH, not LPH or QRF or "common knowledge". KRACH eventually catches up and I feel does a very good job with adequate data, but you're right that the small sample size causes some issues early on. I hope your daughter relishes the nice EP victory (and likely ascension to #1 in LPH). And I hope your loves are in that order. But yes, a fun intersection for the math-lovers!

[luckyEPDad]

I'm sure that ghshockeyfan can explain it much better, but Roseau's victory over a high-ranked Tonka team trumped EP's victory over a very low-ranked Hill-Murray team. As H_M goes through the season, their ranking will improve, which will make EP's victory more valuable. The rankings being KRACH, not LPH or QRF or "common knowledge". KRACH eventually catches up and I feel does a very good job with adequate data, but you're right that the small sample size causes some issues early on. I hope your daughter relishes the nice EP victory (and likely ascension to #1 in LPH). And I hope your loves are in that order. But yes, a fun intersection for the math-lovers!

The drop most likely has to do with EP opponents not having a good Tuesday. Centennial lost, and Eastview and Farmington played each other to a tie. Whereas Roseau's previous opponents, International Falls and River Lakes, were both victorious Tuesday night. Lots of big swings in SOS until everyone has more games under their belt.

I expect a split on the next LPH rankings. The EP/HM game was very close and exposed weaknesses in both teams that need some work. BSM should get no first place votes this time around, but I wouldn't be shocked if Edina got a few.

It was nice to see Eden Prairie slay the Hill Murray bugaboo. If they meet again (I know where I want that to happen) I expect mutual respect and some resentment from both sides, but no fear. Too bad they don't play each other more often as EP/HM could be a great rivalry.

The EP game against Blake on Thursday will be interesting.

[ghshockeyfan]

I'm sure that ghshockeyfan can explain it much better, but Roseau's victory over a high-ranked Tonka team trumped EP's victory over a very low-ranked Hill-Murray team. As H_M goes through the season, their ranking will improve, which will make EP's victory more valuable. The rankings being KRACH, not LPH or QRF or "common knowledge". KRACH eventually catches up and I feel does a very good job with adequate data, but you're right that the small sample size causes some issues early on. I hope your daughter relishes the nice EP victory (and likely ascension to #1 in LPH). And I hope your loves are in that order. But yes, a fun intersection for the math-lovers!

The drop most likely has to do with EP opponents not having a good Tuesday. Centennial lost, and Eastview and Farmington played each other to a tie. Whereas Roseau's previous opponents, International Falls and River Lakes, were both victorious Tuesday night. Lots of big swings in SOS until everyone has more games under their belt.

I expect a split on the next LPH rankings. The EP/HM game was very close and exposed weaknesses in both teams that need some work. BSM should get no first place votes this time around, but I wouldn't be shocked if Edina got a few.

It was nice to see Eden Prairie slay the Hill Murray bugaboo. If they meet again (I know where I want that to happen) I expect mutual respect and some resentment from both sides, but no fear. Too bad they don't play each other more often as EP/HM could be a great rivalry.

The EP game against Blake on Thursday will be interesting.

You guys nailed it from a KRACH perspective as far as the math and other considerations (how other earlier opponents did and the associated impact, SOS, sample size, etc.). I hope to see KRACH sort itself out a bit better after the first of the month - but I'm guessing mid-Dec before it becomes pretty solid.

[ghshockeyfan]

A few more scores rolled in from last night/Tue (no games tonight/Wed) and updated the LPH ranks in the AA/A rankings for today/Wed...

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141119.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141119.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141119.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141119.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141119.htm
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[ghshockeyfan]

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141121.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141121.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141121.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141121.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141121.htm
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[ghshockeyfan]

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141122.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141122.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141122.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141122.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141122.htm
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[alcloseshaver]

I thought you were waiting until there is more data before posting the poll? Computer poll meaningless until at least half the games are played. Ex. Hill Murray 40th.

[rascalbrock]

I thought you were waiting until there is more data before posting the poll? Computer poll meaningless until at least half the games are played. Ex. Hill Murray 40th.

Everyone understands that. I think it's interesting to watch the change as the sample size increases.

[ghshockeyfan]

I thought you were waiting until there is more data before posting the poll? Computer poll meaningless until at least half the games are played. Ex. Hill Murray 40th.

Everyone understands that. I think it's interesting to watch the change as the sample size increases.

Hill slipped again after the game vs LV N. Don't worry too much about the rankings, they'll get better with more games. I posted these so people can see how they evolve/develop and hopefully create understanding/learning opportunities as to how they work (and the shortcomings - like too little data, etc.)

[ghshockeyfan]

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141123.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141123.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141123.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141123.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141123.htm
==========================================

[alcloseshaver]

I thought you were waiting until there is more data before posting the poll? Computer poll meaningless until at least half the games are played. Ex. Hill Murray 40th.

Everyone understands that. I think it's interesting to watch the change as the sample size increases.

Hill slipped again after the game vs LV N. Don't worry too much about the rankings, they'll get better with more games. I posted these so people can see how they evolve/develop and hopefully create understanding/learning opportunities as to how they work (and the shortcomings - like too little data, etc.)

Thanks for your work, maybe Hill is where they belong

[ghshockeyfan]

Everyone understands that. I think it's interesting to watch the change as the sample size increases.

Hill slipped again after the game vs LV N. Don't worry too much about the rankings, they'll get better with more games. I posted these so people can see how they evolve/develop and hopefully create understanding/learning opportunities as to how they work (and the shortcomings - like too little data, etc.)

Thanks for your work, maybe Hill is where they belong

I expect Hill to be near, if not at, the very top come season's end - if not earlier. They have only played the two games whereas some teams have as many as seven games in already. Additonally, HM SOS is always near the top - and they've started the season with two quality opponents.

[ghshockeyfan]

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141126.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141126.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141126.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141126.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141126.htm
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[Rux]

EP is number 1 with a bullet! Baring a major injuries, State Champs.

[wolfman]

The Wolfman agrees with drunk Rux. EP is the real deal.

[luckyEPDad]

EP is number 1 with a bullet! Baring a major injuries, State Champs.

Or a hot goalie, or an off day, or a bad break, or..... It wasn't long ago that an EP girls team won 57 games straight and lost in the sections. More parity now, more competition, and it is really early to be predicting anything.

[sinbin]

Just a few weeks ago, everyone was handing the title to H-M, now we're handing it to EP. I do think that both will be there at the end, although, EP will still need to get by Edina. But this does seem to be the culmination of "that strong EP U12 team" that we've been talking about for years. I suppose that would be a dream state title matchup for many, but we were never able to get the Tonka-BSM matchup (at the state championship, that is) that everyone wanted due to sectional alignment issues. This could be the year people get their wish.

[ghshockeyfan]

Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141129.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141129.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141129.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141129.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141129.htm
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[ghshockeyfan]

Most Recent Ranking Links:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20141203.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20141203.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20141203.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20141203.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20141203.htm
==========================================

[36Guy]

EP is number 1 with a bullet! Baring a major injuries, State Champs.

I recall going to the HM game a few weeks ago, HM's first game and EP's fourth. HM rolled 12 forwards and 8 D and lost by 1. EP is the real deal but let's take a deep breath. If you are not "great" in one very specific area of the game you are beatable on any night.

Unfortunately we are probably going to have to wait til later in the year to get a barometer with most teams top players in the EP tournament and the start of Lake conference play will be at the World Championships.

No mistake though...their tough!!

[alcloseshaver]

EP is number 1 with a bullet! Baring a major injuries, State Champs.

I recall going to the HM game a few weeks ago, HM's first game and EP's fourth. HM rolled 12 forwards and 8 D and lost by 1. EP is the real deal but let's take a deep breath. If you are not "great" in one very specific area of the game you are beatable on any night.

Unfortunately we are probably going to have to wait til later in the year to get a barometer with most teams top players in the EP tournament and the start of Lake conference play will be at the World Championships.

No mistake though...their tough!!

Never to early to stir the pot with the Lake Conference rhetoric. Did the State Champs last season come from the Lake?

[panpan111]

EP is number 1 with a bullet! Baring a major injuries, State Champs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKIcnj1MJY

[36Guy]

EP is number 1 with a bullet! Baring a major injuries, State Champs.

I recall going to the HM game a few weeks ago, HM's first game and EP's fourth. HM rolled 12 forwards and 8 D and lost by 1. EP is the real deal but let's take a deep breath. If you are not "great" in one very specific area of the game you are beatable on any night.

Unfortunately we are probably going to have to wait til later in the year to get a barometer with most teams top players in the EP tournament and the start of Lake conference play will be at the World Championships.

No mistake though...their tough!!

Never to early to stir the pot with the Lake Conference rhetoric. Did the State Champs last season come from the Lake?

No they did not come from the Lake...but BSM had a very good team last year and deserved the title. Congrats to BSM on their title even though they are not from the Lake.

[alcloseshaver]

I recall going to the HM game a few weeks ago, HM's first game and EP's fourth. HM rolled 12 forwards and 8 D and lost by 1. EP is the real deal but let's take a deep breath. If you are not "great" in one very specific area of the game you are beatable on any night.

Unfortunately we are probably going to have to wait til later in the year to get a barometer with most teams top players in the EP tournament and the start of Lake conference play will be at the World Championships.

No mistake though...their tough!!

Never to early to stir the pot with the Lake Conference rhetoric. Did the State Champs last season come from the Lake?

No they did not come from the Lake...but BSM had a very good team last year and deserved the title. Congrats to BSM on their title even though they are not from the Lake.

Didn't notice their championship trophy being displayed at the school, must have been out getting it polished on the East side of the metro.

[Lace'emUp]

Interesting to compare the KRACH rankings vs LPH vs the MYHockey Rankings site (MHR):

KRA MHR QRF LPH Class AA
1 1 2 1 Eden Prairie
2 5 1 2 Maple Grove
3 9 3 3 Dodge County
4 4 4 6 Roseau
5 2 5 5 Edina
6 3 6 7 Minnetonka
7 12 21 15 Chaska/Chanhassen
8 11 19 10 Cretin-Derham Hall
9 13 17 11 Lakeville North
10 21 8 14 Champlin Park
11 7 13 18 Elk River/Zimmerman
12 18 18 13 Hopkins
13 10 14 12 Mounds View
14 30 16 --- River Lakes
15 31 7 --- Buffalo
16 17 22 17 Benilde-St. Margaret's
17 14 10 8 Lakeville South
18 16 9 9 Wayzata
19 6 12 4 Hill-Murray
20 15 11 20 Roseville
21 16 20 --- Eastview
22 17 22 --- Rochester John Marshall/Lourdes
23 29 34 --- Bloomington Jefferson
24 8 24 16 Stillwater
25 20 15 --- Grand Rapids/Greenway
26 42 32 --- Eagan
27 43 39 --- Holy Family/Waconia
28 40 25 --- Rochester Century
29 43 33 --- Sartell/Sauk Rapids
30 36 26 --- East Ridge
31 37 35 --- Farmington
32 31 31 --- Tartan
33 32 27 19 Blaine
34 35 29 --- Hastings
35 46 30 --- Park of Cottage Grove
36 33 37 --- Duluth
37 34 36 --- Forest Lake
38 39 28 --- Irondale
39 38 46 --- Anoka
40 39 40 --- Shakopee
41 32 38 --- Spring Lake Park
42 19 42 --- Centennial
43 44 41 --- Andover
44 60 45 --- Owatonna
45 47 43 --- North Wright County
46 37 47 --- White Bear Lake
47 45 48 --- Prior Lake
48 41 44 --- Coon Rapids
49 53 49 --- St. Cloud
50 52 54 --- St. Francis
51 48 53 --- Bemidji
52 54 51 --- Brainerd/Little Falls
53 50 50 --- Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper
54 55 63 --- Rogers
55 59 52 --- Woodbury
56 51 57 --- Cloquet-Esko-Carlton
57 61 55 --- North Metro
58 64 58 --- Rochester Mayo
59 49 56 --- Burnsville
60 62 59 --- Cambridge-Isanti
61 56 62 --- Moorhead
62 57 60 --- North St. Paul
63 58 60 --- Apple Valley
64 63 64 --- Rosemount

KRA MHR QRF LPH Class A
1 1 1 1 Blake
2 2 2 2 Breck
3 3 4 3 Thief River Falls
4 7 3 5 Red Wing
5 5 6 11 Proctor/Hermantown
6 6 16 4 Warroad
7 8 12 7 St. Paul United
8 15 10 20 New Ulm
9 10 7 14 New Prague
10 21 14 --- Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato
11 9 5 6 East Grand Forks
12 12 16 --- Holy Angels
13 28 9 --- Willmar
14 4 20 9 Mound Westonka
15 33 15 --- Luverne
16 14 11 17 Princeton
17 11 28 8 South St Paul
18 18 13 12 Alexandria
19 13 24 10 Orono
20 --- --- --- Duluth Marshall (KRACH needs to remove - not a team)
21 --- --- --- Lake of the Woods (KRACH needs to remove - not a team)
22 19 8 --- Northfield
23 16 18 --- Hutchinson
24 20 19 --- Simley
25 23 25 18 Moose Lake-Willow River
26 27 21 --- Detroit Lakes
27 31 27 16 Mankato East
28 30 23 --- Austin
29 22 37 19 Chisago Lakes
30 42 28 --- LPGE/WDC
31 17 22 13 Hibbing/Chisholm
32 39 30 --- Winona
33 37 33 --- St. Louis Park
34 32 30 --- Minneapolis
35 24 40 --- Mahtomedi
36 46 26 --- Fairmont
37 41 35 --- Marshall
38 35 34 --- Faribault
39 34 32 --- International Falls
40 26 38 --- Crookston
41 29 41 --- Minnehaha United
42 38 39 --- Fergus Falls
43 36 36 --- Henry Sibley
44 40 42 --- Park Rapids
45 43 45 --- St. Paul Blades
46 25 46 15 Totino-Grace
47 52 47 --- Morris/Benson
48 47 44 --- Eveleth-Gilbert
49 50 49 --- Albert Lea
50 48 43 --- St. Peter
51 45 47 --- Waseca
52 51 49 --- Mankato West
53 54 54 --- Worthington
54 49 53 --- North Shore
55 44 51 --- Northern Lakes
56 53 51 --- Windom