Undefeated & Winless Teams

Discussion of Minnesota Girls High School Hockey

Moderators: Mitch Hawker, east hockey, karl(east)

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Undefeated & Winless Teams

Post by MNHockeyFan » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:27 am

As of today, November 25, here's a list of the 16 teams that so far haven't lost, and a separate list of the 14 teams that haven't yet managed to win a game. Considering the history of the programs, there are some surprises on each list, I believe.

Any guesses as to which team(s) will be next to be removed from each list? Or which team(s) you think will remain undefeated (or winless) the longest? (taking into account that some teams' schedules are much tougher than others!) Anyway, feel free to comment either way.

Undefeated Teams (as of 11/25/15)
Duluth
Eagan
Edina
Elk River/Zimmerman
Faribault
Grand Rapids/Greenway
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Luverne
Minnetonka
Mounds View
New Ulm
St. Cloud
St. Paul United
Wayzata
White Bear Lake

Winless Teams (as of 11/25/15)
Crookston
Holy Family Catholic/Waconia
Moorhead
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Prior Lake
Rochester Mayo
Rosemount
St. Francis/North Branch
Totino-Grace
Windom Area
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:35 am

Just noticed after looking at this Friday's games that Holy Family/Waconia is due to play Prior Lake. So unless they tie the Winless List :( will already shrink by one. :)

wolfman
Posts: 259
Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:09 pm

Post by wolfman » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:47 am

HM is the only one on the list that I think can run the table. They could win third title in a row and not lose a game this year imo. Totino and N Metro have to play each other so someone is getting a win or tie there. Cant wait for the Christmas Tourneys. Maybe a few upsets down in St. Paul. I hope every one has a happy thanksgiving. I will be feasting on a freshly killed doe. She was weak and could not keep up.. :lol:

MN_Bowhunter
Posts: 220
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:08 am

Post by MN_Bowhunter » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:14 pm

wolfman wrote:HM is the only one on the list that I think can run the table. They could win third title in a row and not lose a game this year imo. Totino and N Metro have to play each other so someone is getting a win or tie there. Cant wait for the Christmas Tourneys. Maybe a few upsets down in St. Paul. I hope every one has a happy thanksgiving. I will be feasting on a freshly killed doe. She was weak and could not keep up.. :lol:
Must have killed it in Wisconsin, there aren't many deer left in MN.

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:04 am

Yesterday two teams suffered their first loss and two teams got their first win.
Grand Rapids/Greenway went down to White Bear Lake 2-4 and St. Cloud lost to Spring Lake Park/Coon Rapids 1-3.
On the other side of the ledger Holy Family/Waconia beat Prior Lake 5-2 and Moorhead shut out Detroit Lakes 6-0.

Undefeated Teams (as of 11/27/15)
Duluth
Eagan
Edina
Elk River/Zimmerman
Faribault
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Luverne
Minnetonka
Mounds View
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata
White Bear Lake

Winless Teams (as of 11/27/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Prior Lake
Rochester Mayo
Rosemount
St. Francis/North Branch
Totino-Grace
Windom Area
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:15 pm

Two more teams suffer their first defeat, and two more get their first win:

Mounds View loses to Suburban East rival Stillwater 0-4, and in the same conference
White Bear Lake is upended by East Ridge 1-2

Getting their first wins were:
Prior Lake, who prevails over South Suburban foe Apple Valley 5-2, and
Rochester Mayo, who pulls out a 5-4 win over Austin in the Big 9 Conference

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/1/15)
Duluth
Eagan
Edina
Elk River/Zimmerman
Faribault
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Luverne
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata

Winless Teams (as of 12/1/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
St. Francis/North Branch
Totino-Grace
Windom Area
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

jg2112
Posts: 915
Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:36 am

Post by jg2112 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:27 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:Two more teams suffer their first defeat, and two more get their first win:

Mounds View loses to Suburban East rival Stillwater 0-4, and in the same conference
White Bear Lake is upended by East Ridge 1-2

Getting their first wins were:
Prior Lake, who prevails over South Suburban foe Apple Valley 5-2, and
Rochester Mayo, who pulls out a 5-4 win over Austin in the Big 9 Conference

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/1/15)
Duluth
Eagan
Edina
Elk River/Zimmerman
Faribault
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Luverne
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata

Winless Teams (as of 12/1/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
St. Francis/North Branch
Totino-Grace
Windom Area
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda
I watched Woodbury a couple weeks back. I doubt they will win a game, which is unbelievable given their catchment area.

According to MN Girls Hockey Hub, the SOG disparity when they played Cretin-Derham Hall was 72-3. That is absurd.

nu2hockey
Posts: 642
Joined: Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:19 pm

Post by nu2hockey » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:59 am

I watched Woodbury a couple weeks back. I doubt they will win a game, which is unbelievable given their catchment area.

According to MN Girls Hockey Hub, the SOG disparity when they played Cretin-Derham Hall was 72-3. That is absurd.


Since the association feeds both high schools and both schools are struggling, a future co-op might be necessary

Be careful on those SOG #'s...in the last 2 weeks we have attended games where the reported SOG# are significantly bloated from the what actually happened...It's silly but it happens

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:56 am

jg2112 wrote:I watched Woodbury a couple weeks back. I doubt they will win a game, which is unbelievable given their catchment area.
Looking ahead on their schedule, it looks like their best opportunities may be Mayo, the Blades and Rosemount.

jg2112
Posts: 915
Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:36 am

Post by jg2112 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:02 pm

nu2hockey wrote:I watched Woodbury a couple weeks back. I doubt they will win a game, which is unbelievable given their catchment area.

According to MN Girls Hockey Hub, the SOG disparity when they played Cretin-Derham Hall was 72-3. That is absurd.


Since the association feeds both high schools and both schools are struggling, a future co-op might be necessary

Be careful on those SOG #'s...in the last 2 weeks we have attended games where the reported SOG# are significantly bloated from the what actually happened...It's silly but it happens
That's a fair point. But I did go to a game between Woodbury and Mounds View and decided to count 'em because of the CDH game. MV had over 50 SOG.

And either way, both CDH and Mounds View scored over 10 goals.

zambonidriver
Posts: 697
Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:31 am

Post by zambonidriver » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:40 pm

Woodbury and East Ridge were a coop until #37 became their head coach and got the program split. Don't know reasons why but now #37 is the ER boys head coach. Saw ER beat Beat White Bear last night.

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:34 am

Each list reduced by one as Duluth fell to BSM 2-6 and Windom Area beat Worthington 6-0. Rosemount hopes to get their first win today when they play 1-7 Prior Lake.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/4/15)
Eagan
Edina
Elk River/Zimmerman
Faribault
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Luverne
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata

Winless Teams (as of 12/4/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
St. Francis/North Branch
Totino-Grace
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:49 pm

Luverne drops off the Undefeated Teams list after losing to Albert Lea 2-3.

And two teams escape from the Winless Teams list:
St. Francis/North Branch got its first win vs. Chisago Lakes (6-2), and
Totino-Grace who beat North Metro by an 8-6 score.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/8/15)
Eagan
Edina
Elk River/Zimmerman
Faribault
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata

Winless Teams (as of 12/8/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

allhoc11
Posts: 463
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:12 pm

Post by allhoc11 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:53 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:Luverne drops off the Undefeated Teams list after losing to Albert Lea 2-3.

And two teams escape from the Winless Teams list:
St. Francis/North Branch got its first win vs. Chisago Lakes (6-2), and
Totino-Grace who beat North Metro by an 8-6 score.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/8/15)
Eagan
Edina
Elk River/Zimmerman
Faribault
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata

Winless Teams (as of 12/8/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda
I think it's interesting that of all the unbeaten teams, only 2 are in the top 30 for SOS. That is Edina at #1 SOS, HM at 12, while the others are in the 30's & 40's.

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:32 pm

allhoc11 wrote:I think it's interesting that of all the unbeaten teams, only 2 are in the top 30 for SOS. That is Edina at #1 SOS, HM at 12, while the others are in the 30's & 40's.
That is interesting, but it kind of makes sense when you think about it. Teams that play consistently tough schedules, even the best of teams, are bound to have an off-game at some point and are no longer undefeated (but hopefully playing that consistently tough schedule will pay off, come sections, when it really counts).

I see though that a couple of teams in the Top 10 SOS appear to be over-reaching in that regard, and you wonder how much good it does them when they lose nearly every game by a lopsided score. It's hard to get better when you rarely have the puck, which can be demoralizing too.

Also you would expect the SOS ranking for the other Lake Conference teams to climb into the Top 20 as they get into conference play. For example Hopkins/Park, currently at #26, will rise rapidly when they get into round robin play with Edina, Wayzata, Eden Prairie and Minnetonka. Hill-Murray's #12 ranking, on the other hand, will go down as they play more of the teams within their conference, although their very tough non-conference schedule will help balance that out to some extent.

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:56 am

Two more teams drop off the ranks of the Undefeated with Edina losing to Hill-Murray 0-2 and Faribault falling to Owatonna by the same 0-2 score.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/10/15)
Eagan
Elk River/Zimmerman
Hill-Murray
Hutchinson
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata

Winless Teams (as of 12/10/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:01 pm

And the Undefeated Teams list shrinks by one more, as Hutchinson loses to New Prague (1-5). Both lists now at 7...

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/11/15)
Eagan
Elk River/Zimmerman
Hill-Murray
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United
Wayzata

Winless Teams (as of 12/11/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:31 pm

Two more fall off the Undefeated Teams list, which is now down to just five teams. In today's action Elk River/Zimmerman lost a squeaker to Blaine (0-1) and Wayzata got shut out by Minnetonka (0-5).

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/12/15)
Eagan
Hill-Murray
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United

Winless Teams (as of 12/12/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:54 pm

With Eagan's 3-4 loss to Eastview last night, the Undefeateds are down to four. The Winless are still stuck at seven.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/15/15)
Hill-Murray
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United

Winless Teams (as of 12/15/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Northern Lakes
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:53 am

Congratulations to Northern Lakes on their first win! They were victorious over Morris/Benson by an 8-3 score. And after tying Princeton last night North Metro came oh-so-close in also escaping the Winless list.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/17/15)
Hill-Murray
Minnetonka
New Ulm
St. Paul United

Winless Teams (as of 12/17/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:20 pm

Minnetonka suffers its first loss of the season, in overtime to Hopkins, leaving just three with a zero in the loss column. On Tuesday Dodge County will present a major challenge for New Ulm, while Stillwater will test Hill-Murray. Meanwhile, SPU shouldn't have too much difficulty with the St. Paul Blades.
The Winless Teams list stays at six.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/19/15)
Hill-Murray
New Ulm
St. Paul United

Winless Teams (as of 12/19/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:34 pm

We're now down to just two undefeated teams with New Ulm falling to Dodge County by a 1-3 score. Bailey Landreville made 47 saves to keep New Ulm within striking distance.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/22/15)
Hill-Murray
St. Paul United

Winless Teams (as of 12/19/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Rosemount
Winona
Woodbury
Worthington/Fulda

MNHockeyFan
Posts: 7260
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Post by MNHockeyFan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:23 am

Congratulations to Woodbury on winning its first game, beating Rochester Mayo 8-4. Only five teams remaining on the Winless Teams list.

Undefeated Teams (as of 12/22/15)
Hill-Murray
St. Paul United

Winless Teams (as of 12/22/15)
Crookston
North Metro
Rosemount
Winona
Worthington/Fulda

Sparlimb
Posts: 2491
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2002 7:11 am

Post by Sparlimb » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:26 pm

Crazy stat as I was looking at the schedule today.

Hill-Murray has played 11 games (with only 3 against bad opponents). They have 6 shutouts and have given up 6 goals. When's the last time a team has as many shutouts as goals against after 10 or more games? I'm sure it won't last...


After looking at St. Paul United...

They have 14 wins, with 9 goals given up and 8 shutouts. So not far behind although against a less formidable schedule.

wolfman
Posts: 259
Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:09 pm

Post by wolfman » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:39 pm

Like I've said in previous posts. Hill will prob run the table and win 3rd AA champ game. SPU is plenty good but they don't play a tough schedule imo. Good luck to Hill next weekend :lol:

Post Reply