Girls HS Hockey in Major Decline

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:41 am

We did it thanks, over 20,000 views in less than a week :) That was my goal, thank you!

EPdad congrats and I do agree with you regarding the opportunities privates allow and offer and if a family can afford to send their kids, no problem, more power to them. Not everyone has this chance and we all know the quality of the players they do attract. Remember Blake beat Edina 4-1, and Blake beat HM in the holiday tourney, but it was a shootout win. There is a very good chance Blake could win the whole thing this year, not just Class A and for these reasons they should opt up, just like Breck and soon to be SPU. There were zero upsets or surprises at the Class A level and for these reasons I feel it would be a better product for the smaller communities to not have to face a Blake in the tournament. Is it fun for the girls to participate, absolutely! and that is a very big reason to play, it is not about the trophies. But I do think the playing field has changed and tilted towards the privates and for these reasons I think it would be better for the game.

I have no issue with their recruiting and the girls usually have the means for more training, the top AAA Summer teams, etc, and more power to them, but it is these reasons they should just do the right thing and move up. I do believe strongly it does nothing for the game to have them in the championship almost every year at the Class A level. Some may disagree and feel this keeps the Class A relevant, but I am not sure watching two privates, both Metro based promotes the game. Just my bias. I think it would be pretty exciting to see a EGF playing a New Prague or Northfield. You can leave the Class AA for the bigger programs, or more talented. Everyone likes the small David vs Goliath story, why people were excited to see MG take down Hill.

The girls game is unique in that a hot goalie can really determine the outcome. EP and MG both benefitted from outstanding goalie play yesterday. Unfortunately girls unlike boys to not have the dexterity to pick off corners routinely and majority of shots hit the sweaters logo which allows for that team with a good tender to steal a game. I have to feel HM thought this after their game, and even Edina. They both had better scoring chances, but their goalies stole the games for their respective teams.

Outside our state, hockey has very little appeal, basketball, soccer, LaCrosse are so much bigger in terms of numbers and participation. The game is changing and girls at the youth numbers except for a few communities are declining substantially. If things do not change you will be left with metro dominance at the high school level. At least keep it to one Class and that would be Class AA.

As for you 36, you were lured in like always and took the bait. I am only hard on you as you have always attacked on this board if someone does not agree with you or your opinions. You should be proud of your daughter's accomplishments and leave it at that. You know exactly what happens for summer AAA teams and all the political shenanigans that occur, even at team reebok. When you transferred you had the opportunity to pick where you wanted to live, I am sure hockey was a big part of that decision. So please stop trying to say otherwise and there are no issues with parents doing this all over. I am sure your Club's outcomes would have been very different this year without two key players. And these were players that did not grow up in the association, only came together for HS. Accept that and keep your attacks to a minimum to others who may not agree with this type of team building. Your club was pretty high on the horse, expecting to win it all this year and why it was so fun watching a team like EP knock you out. It happens, accept it. Your club did not lose because a goal was disallowed or the refs not calling stick checks, it happens, its hockey. Probably just like how Hopkins took you out this year. EP was the better team that night and continue to show this for making the Championship, congrats to EP.

Good luck to all the girls today, I wish the Class A had different participates but it is what it is, the MG and EP should be a great contest, especially if they both have the same level of goalie play as yesterday.

Thanks for helping this subject hit 20,000 view, I was hoping it would =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:40 am

This is great, can we get to double digits :)

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:51 am

Over the last 8 years Blake has won the Championship 63% of the time, 5/8 times

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:06 pm

could SPU lawyers file a motion for a redo?

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:29 pm

great game and hard way to lose. Hats off to The Sceamin Eagles!!!

A great win and what a championship game should represent.

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:09 pm

Interesting interview with the EP coach when asked by reporter how everyone expected tonka to roll through sections and it would be tonka and hill playing for the title. His response not to many people respected his girls and he had a very special senior line and when you play as a team you can really do special things. The best "Team" did come out of section 2 and now they have a Championship to prove it.

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Post by lsqrank01 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:08 pm

thegreatone99 wrote:Over the last 8 years Blake has won the Championship 63% of the time, 5/8 times
Rankings for the top 33% of the Midwest HS Girls Teams

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Midwest Girls HS Rankings Feb 21, 2016
MN/WI/ND

LSQRANK State Tier     Score                            Team          LG  SEC        CLS    GP  (WW-LL-TT) percent
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     1  MN     HS  1000.0000  MN 3rd Place       Hill-Murray      MnHSHL   4         AA     31  (29- 1- 1) 0.952  
     2  MN     HS   999.6908  MN State-Champion        Blake      MnHSHL   5          A     30  (26- 2- 2) 0.900  
     3  MN     HS   999.2554                           Edina      MnHSHL   6         AA     30  (20- 9- 1) 0.683  
     4  MN     HS   999.2251                      Minnetonka      MnHSHL   2         AA     27  (21- 4- 2) 0.815  
     5  MN     HS   999.1699  MN State-Champion  EdenPrairie      MnHSHL   2         AA     31  (22- 7- 2) 0.742  
     6  MN     HS   999.1453                          Blaine      MnHSHL   5         AA     27  (22- 5- 0) 0.815  
     7  MN     HS   999.1246  MN 2nd Place        MapleGrove      MnHSHL   5         AA     30  (22- 6- 2) 0.767  
     8  MN     HS   998.7755                           Breck      MnHSHL   5          A     28  (23- 5- 0) 0.821  
     9  MN     HS   997.9379              ElkRiver/Zimmerman      MnHSHL   7         AA     28  (19- 5- 4) 0.750  
    10  MN     HS   997.8841               Cretin-DerhamHall      MnHSHL   6         AA     27  (20- 6- 1) 0.759  
    11  MN     HS   997.8581               Chaska/Chanhassen      MnHSHL   2         AA     27  (18- 7- 2) 0.704  
    12  MN     HS   997.7862                      Centennial      MnHSHL   5         AA     28  (19- 7- 2) 0.714  
    13  MN     HS   997.4455                      ForestLake      MnHSHL   7         AA     30  (18- 9- 3) 0.650  
    14  MN     HS   997.3156                         Wayzata      MnHSHL   6         AA     27  (16-10- 1) 0.611  
    15  MN     HS   997.2779                  LakevilleSouth      MnHSHL   1         AA     30  (21- 7- 2) 0.733  
    16  MN     HS   997.0339  MN 2nd Place     St.PaulUnited      MnHSHL   4          A     30  (23- 6- 1) 0.783
	------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10%  
    17  MN     HS   996.8682                   WhiteBearLake      MnHSHL   4         AA     27  (18- 7- 2) 0.704  
    18  MN     HS   996.8502                      MoundsView      MnHSHL   4         AA     28  (15- 9- 4) 0.607  
    19  MN     HS   996.7607  MN 3rd Place           Warroad      MnHSHL   8          A     30  (25- 4- 1) 0.850  
    20  MN     HS   996.6217                     DodgeCounty      MnHSHL   1         AA     28  (16- 9- 3) 0.625  
    21  MN     HS   996.5317                        Eastview      MnHSHL   3         AA     31  (20- 7- 4) 0.710  
    22  MN     HS   996.2786                           Eagan      MnHSHL   3         AA     28  (18- 6- 4) 0.714  
    23  MN     HS   996.1756       SpringLakePark/CoonRapids      MnHSHL   5         AA     27  (21- 5- 1) 0.796  
    24  MN     HS   996.0870                       EastRidge      MnHSHL   3         AA     27  (14-11- 2) 0.556  
    25  MN     HS   995.7498           Benilde-St.Margaret's      MnHSHL   6         AA     26  ( 8-17- 1) 0.327  
    26  MN     HS   995.7332                         Andover      MnHSHL   7         AA     27  (13-14- 0) 0.481  
    27  MN     HS   995.6729                      Stillwater      MnHSHL   4         AA     27  ( 9-16- 2) 0.370  
    28  MN     HS   995.5779                  LakevilleNorth      MnHSHL   1         AA     27  (14-11- 2) 0.556  
    29  MN     HS   995.5240                       NewPrague      MnHSHL   2          A     30  (19-10- 1) 0.650  
    30  MN     HS   995.4961                      Farmington      MnHSHL   1         AA     27  (15- 9- 3) 0.611  
    31  MN     HS   995.4766              Proctor/Hermantown      MnHSHL   7          A     30  (20- 9- 1) 0.683  
    32  MN     HS   995.4180                        Hastings      MnHSHL   3         AA     27  (17- 7- 3) 0.685  
    33  MN     HS   995.3692                       Roseville      MnHSHL   4         AA     26  (12-14- 0) 0.462 
	------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20% 
    34  MN     HS   995.2316                    Hopkins/Park      MnHSHL   6         AA     26  (11-14- 1) 0.442  
    35  MN     HS   995.2220                          Roseau      MnHSHL   8         AA     28  (19- 9- 0) 0.679  
    36  MN     HS   995.1464                 ThiefRiverFalls      MnHSHL   8          A     27  (20- 6- 1) 0.759  
    37  MN     HS   995.1171            GrandRapids/Greenway      MnHSHL   7         AA     27  (17- 9- 1) 0.648  
    38  MN     HS   994.8272                        Shakopee      MnHSHL   2         AA     26  (13-10- 3) 0.558  
    39  MN     HS   994.7328              HolyFamily/Waconia      MnHSHL   2         AA     27  (12-13- 2) 0.481  
    40  MN     HS   994.6548                         Buffalo      MnHSHL   8         AA     27  (13-14- 0) 0.481  
    41  MN     HS   994.5483                           Anoka      MnHSHL   5         AA     25  (12-11- 2) 0.520 
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25%
    42  ND     HS   994.3392                        Bismarck      NDHSHL   0          A     25  (21- 3- 1) 0.860  
    43  MN     HS   994.3226              Sartell/SaukRapids      MnHSHL   8         AA     30  (21- 9- 0) 0.700  
    44  MN     HS   994.3179            BloomingtonJefferson      MnHSHL   2         AA     26  ( 6-20- 0) 0.231  
    45  MN     HS   994.1585                    North/Tartan      MnHSHL   4         AA     26  (15-10- 1) 0.596  
    46  MN     HS   993.7476                   MoundWestonka      MnHSHL   2         AA     28  (19- 6- 3) 0.732  
    47  MN     HS   993.7165                    ChamplinPark      MnHSHL   5         AA     26  ( 8-17- 1) 0.327  
    48  MN     HS   993.6818                         RedWing      MnHSHL   1          A     27  (17- 9- 1) 0.648  
    49  MN     HS   993.5256                       PriorLake      MnHSHL   2         AA     26  ( 8-18- 0) 0.308
	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30%  
    50  MN     HS   993.4798                       Princeton      MnHSHL   5          A     27  (18- 7- 2) 0.704  
    51  MN     HS   993.4281                          Rogers      MnHSHL   5         AA     26  (15-10- 1) 0.596  
    52  MN     HS   993.4208                      Alexandria      MnHSHL   6          A     29  (19- 9- 1) 0.672  
    53  MN     HS   993.3914    RochesterJohnMarshall/Lourde      MnHSHL   1         AA     26  (16-10- 0) 0.615  
    54  MN     HS   993.2490                       Mahtomedi      MnHSHL   4          A     27  (14-13- 0) 0.519  
    55  MN     HS   993.2341            Cloquet-Esko-Carlton      MnHSHL   7         AA     26  (14- 8- 4) 0.615
	------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33%  

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:01 am

Eden Prairie didn’t require a Ms. Hockey candidate or a player among the top 50 in goal scoring to achieve its championship dream.

Instead, the Eagles played disciplined, system-heavy hockey that might have cost players’ recognition. Buying in was a challenge. But the investment matured in a big way.

“We’ve had years where we’ve felt like we’ve been the most talented team in the state,” Eden Prairie coach Jaime Grossman said. “But that doesn’t really mean anything. This group is at its best when we play as a group. When they play team hockey, I feel we are one of the best teams in the state and tonight they proved that.”

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Post by Jiblet » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:27 am

thegreatone99 wrote: The girls game is unique in that a hot goalie can really determine the outcome. EP and MG both benefitted from outstanding goalie play yesterday. Unfortunately girls unlike boys to not have the dexterity to pick off corners routinely and majority of shots hit the sweaters logo which allows for that team with a good tender to steal a game. I have to feel HM thought this after their game, and even Edina. They both had better scoring chances, but their goalies stole the games for their respective teams =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
This is the most unintelligent thing I have heard all day! Women can't pick corners and hot goalies only steal games in girls hockey? If I am correct 4 of the top 5 boys teams in state just lost in the section SEMI finals. Those teams must not have had the dexterity to pick off corners. It's sounds like you are salty over the impressive goalie play at the tourney and a bit jelly your team doesn't have one. Hats off to EP and MG on their great goalie and team play.

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Post by jg2112 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:09 am

thegreatone99 wrote:Eden Prairie didn’t require a Ms. Hockey candidate or a player among the top 50 in goal scoring to achieve its championship dream.

Instead, the Eagles played disciplined, system-heavy hockey that might have cost players’ recognition. Buying in was a challenge. But the investment matured in a big way.

“We’ve had years where we’ve felt like we’ve been the most talented team in the state,” Eden Prairie coach Jaime Grossman said. “But that doesn’t really mean anything. This group is at its best when we play as a group. When they play team hockey, I feel we are one of the best teams in the state and tonight they proved that.”
Let's be fair. They required a five on three power play to win the State title. The first penalty was legitimate. The second was absurd.

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:21 am

thegreatone99 wrote:
Good luck to all the girls today, the MG and EP should be a great contest, especially if they both have the same level of goalie play as yesterday.
And your point again, the goalies play was not recognized, sounds like someone woke up all disappointed their team did not win :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by luckyEPDad » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:31 am

jg2112 wrote:Let's be fair. They required a five on three power play to win the State title. The first penalty was legitimate. The second was absurd.
Let's be fair. EP won during a 5 on 3 power play, that it was required to win nobody can say and we'll never know. It is very strange to see Eden Prairie out shot or out penalized. This weekend saw both.

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:33 am

jg2112 wrote:
thegreatone99 wrote:Eden Prairie didn’t require a Ms. Hockey candidate or a player among the top 50 in goal scoring to achieve its championship dream.

Instead, the Eagles played disciplined, system-heavy hockey that might have cost players’ recognition. Buying in was a challenge. But the investment matured in a big way.

“We’ve had years where we’ve felt like we’ve been the most talented team in the state,” Eden Prairie coach Jaime Grossman said. “But that doesn’t really mean anything. This group is at its best when we play as a group. When they play team hockey, I feel we are one of the best teams in the state and tonight they proved that.”
Let's be fair. They required a five on three power play to win the State title. The first penalty was legitimate. The second was absurd.
How many pipes did #28 hit and then the breakaway where the goalie played perfect. You need some luck, always do, and EP put themselves in a position to win. You are sounding like others about EP winning. Just give them the credit they deserve.

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Post by jg2112 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:56 am

thegreatone99 wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
thegreatone99 wrote:Eden Prairie didn’t require a Ms. Hockey candidate or a player among the top 50 in goal scoring to achieve its championship dream.

Instead, the Eagles played disciplined, system-heavy hockey that might have cost players’ recognition. Buying in was a challenge. But the investment matured in a big way.

“We’ve had years where we’ve felt like we’ve been the most talented team in the state,” Eden Prairie coach Jaime Grossman said. “But that doesn’t really mean anything. This group is at its best when we play as a group. When they play team hockey, I feel we are one of the best teams in the state and tonight they proved that.”
Let's be fair. They required a five on three power play to win the State title. The first penalty was legitimate. The second was absurd.
How many pipes did #28 hit and then the breakaway where the goalie played perfect. You need some luck, always do, and EP put themselves in a position to win. You are sounding like others about EP winning. Just give them the credit they deserve.
Full credit to EP, they won, on and on and on and all that.

To decide a state title game in overtime on a five on three power play is a bit of a bummer. Again, the first penalty was an acceptable and necessary call. The second penalty was a situation where the referees should display some understanding of the moment.

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Post by thegreatone99 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:06 am

Agree, you hope they swallow the whistle and not call the cross check, but MG did have their chances, it was a great game for two evenly matched teams and brought some excitement back to the game.

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Post by massalsa » Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:12 am

jg2112 wrote:

To decide a state title game in overtime on a five on three power play is a bit of a bummer. Again, the first penalty was an acceptable and necessary call. The second penalty was a situation where the referees should display some understanding of the moment.
When I was watching the game it looked at first glance like the 2nd penalty was a result of a legit cross check. It did not look nearly as bad when I saw the replay. It was definitely unfortunate.

Not related specifically to the EP/MG final call I think that the officials did a very good job officiating this tournament...at least in the games I saw in person and on TV. The speed of the girls game and also how the physicality of the game is growing with the top end teams is making the officiating more difficult. There is a lot of "art" and subtlety to playing a more physical game.

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Post by Jiblet » Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:57 am

I think it's awesome how people are chirping the refs. They were atrocious all game. Should have the best crew in the biggest game and they were a joke. The final 2 penalties were easy calls. The refs missed plenty more penalties on grove they didn't call. Also blew the play dead on a breakaway for girls tied up behind play, and a penalty in first period because they wouldn't blow whistle. I agree refs were trash, but the better team won and won because of their effort not the referees.

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Post by ghshockeyfan » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:53 pm

thegreatone99 wrote:Eden Prairie didn’t require a Ms. Hockey candidate or a player among the top 50 in goal scoring to achieve its championship dream.

Instead, the Eagles played disciplined, system-heavy hockey that might have cost players’ recognition. Buying in was a challenge. But the investment matured in a big way.

“We’ve had years where we’ve felt like we’ve been the most talented team in the state,” Eden Prairie coach Jaime Grossman said. “But that doesn’t really mean anything. This group is at its best when we play as a group. When they play team hockey, I feel we are one of the best teams in the state and tonight they proved that.”
This shows just how strong the girls game is.

It's not one or a select few amazing players single handedly winning games or championships. Those days appear to be well behind us.

Well disciplined teams can play within a system and with sound coaching available.

Grossman is one of the very best coaches out there. And not because he has good or great players.

By the way, look at all the great girls coaches we have today and the recent increase in female coaches based on deserving candidate females with extensive experience.

The comment about goalies winning games because girls can't pick corners is probably 15+ years behind the current state of the game. The stick skills and shooting have caught up to the goaltending advantage that existed in the late 90s.

Lastly, this thread, we should look at it and bring back suggestions to the coaches association and MN hockey youth entities.

Maybe it would have been more appealing if approached from a positive voice about all the great things that do exist and the opportunities to improve things more. But, drama is what gets attention these days, so stating it as it was probably would get much more attention.

I challenge everyone that actually cares to do something, take action, and not just complain. Contact your coaches assn or youth reps, become one, get involved, and make the solutions reality to these opportunities.

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Post by thegreatone99 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:38 am

ghshockeyfan wrote:
thegreatone99 wrote:Eden Prairie didn’t require a Ms. Hockey candidate or a player among the top 50 in goal scoring to achieve its championship dream.

Instead, the Eagles played disciplined, system-heavy hockey that might have cost players’ recognition. Buying in was a challenge. But the investment matured in a big way.

“We’ve had years where we’ve felt like we’ve been the most talented team in the state,” Eden Prairie coach Jaime Grossman said. “But that doesn’t really mean anything. This group is at its best when we play as a group. When they play team hockey, I feel we are one of the best teams in the state and tonight they proved that.”
This shows just how strong the girls game is.

It's not one or a select few amazing players single handedly winning games or championships. Those days appear to be well behind us.

Well disciplined teams can play within a system and with sound coaching available.

Grossman is one of the very best coaches out there. And not because he has good or great players.

By the way, look at all the great girls coaches we have today and the recent increase in female coaches based on deserving candidate females with extensive experience.

The comment about goalies winning games because girls can't pick corners is probably 15+ years behind the current state of the game. The stick skills and shooting have caught up to the goaltending advantage that existed in the late 90s.

Lastly, this thread, we should look at it and bring back suggestions to the coaches association and MN hockey youth entities.

Maybe it would have been more appealing if approached from a positive voice about all the great things that do exist and the opportunities to improve things more. But, drama is what gets attention these days, so stating it as it was probably would get much more attention.

I challenge everyone that actually cares to do something, take action, and not just complain. Contact your coaches assn or youth reps, become one, get involved, and make the solutions reality to these opportunities.
:D

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Post by thegreatone99 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:20 pm

36Guy wrote:thegreateone99 wrote:
If we have to watch another title captured by a B school, this does nothing to further the girls game.


Wow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrWoG8IckyE[/quote]

I always did enjoying watching this clip. It was a pretty good one. Funny how Blake has their own subject and the critics popping out now that they won.


http://www.brainyquote.com/photos/m/marktwain122862.jpg

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Post by thegreatone99 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:47 pm

When youth hockey gets too expensive for Edina, you know something’s up.

Arguably the state’s premier hockey hotbed for half a century, Edina is wrestling with a drop-off in participation among its youngest age groups. A major reason is the cost of youth hockey, which is why the Edina Hockey Association (EHA) is thinking about ways to reduce it.

“It’s an expensive sport, no matter how you spin the dial,” said Herm Finnegan, a member of the EHA board. “It’s a really sticky situation.”

What makes it especially sticky in Edina is a proposed cost-cutting strategy: reducing dryland training hours for EHA skaters.

That has set in motion a flurry of behind-the-scenes meetings among city officials, the EHA and an influential hockey family whose company provides dryland training to Edina skaters.

Dryland training puts kids through strength, skill and agility drills in exercise rooms with weights, treadmills, synthetic ice and other special equipment. It’s become an expected part of high-end hockey programs in the metro area.

A group of youth Edina boys hockey players used the outdoor arena during a practice at Braemar Arena on Tuesday, February 23, 2016, in Edina, Minn.

A group of youth Edina boys hockey players used the outdoor arena during a practice at Braemar Arena on Tuesday, February 23, 2016, in Edina, Minn.
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In Edina, dryland training is included in the cost of registration for youth hockey. That cost is typically between $1,300 and $1,500, so high that EHA officials worry it could be keeping kids from playing.

“One of the consistent things we hear from families is, the sport of hockey is expensive, and there’s feedback that people would like us to find ways to reduce the cost,” said Mike Devoe, EHA president. “We’re aware that we have to make hockey more accessible and affordable.

“If you don’t get them young, you lose them forever.”

‘We’re in this together’

In Edina, dryland training is provided by Velocity Hockey Center, a company whose three-year contract with the EHA expires in April.

EHA officials wouldn’t comment on what they pay Velocity, but said that an hour of training can cost as much or more than ice time, which goes for around $200 an hour. Under terms of the current contract, the EHA has committed to buying 800 hours a year of dryland training from Velocity.

Velocity pays about $100,000 a year to rent space in the Hornets Nest at Braemar Arena. Built three years ago, the Hornets Nest includes locker rooms for high school boys’ and girls’ teams, a General Sports retail shop and Velocity’s training center. The $3.6 million facility was mostly financed with city-issued bonds, along with private funding raised to cover one-fourth of the cost; rent from Velocity and General Sports covers bond payments.

Velocity is owned by Noel Rahn Jr. and his father, Noel Rahn Sr. The younger Rahn, who played on championship teams at Edina High School and the University of Wisconsin, coaches one of the state’s top-ranked teams this year at Holy Family Catholic High School in Victoria. His father is chairman of Geronimo Energy, a leading builder of wind and solar power projects. Neither of the Rahns returned phone calls seeking comment.

According to city and hockey association officials, Velocity is concerned that a significant cutback in its EHA business could leave the company unable to pay its rent at the Hornets Nest. In that case, Edina would have to make up the lost income out of its liquor store revenue, which has been declining in recent years.

City officials have met several times with the hockey association and Velocity, said Edina Mayor Jim Hovland, who’s optimistic that an agreement can be reached.

“They know we’re in this together and we’ve got to find a solution for everybody,” Hovland said. “And that’s what I expect the outcome to be.”

City Manager Scott Neal said that if Velocity were to fail, the city would seek another tenant for the Hornets Nest.

“We’re a property owner, so if we have a tenant leave, we would re-lease the property,” Neal said. “We don’t want to do that. We think there is a good synergy in having Velocity for the kids who play hockey.”

Finnegan, who has been the point person on the dryland training issue for the EHA, sounded less optimistic.

“This is a really sensitive deal,” he said. “Whatever the decision is, I’ll either be praised or I’ll be the whipping boy.”

So many practices

Watching their youngsters at a recent practice, some Edina hockey parents had mixed feelings about the usefulness of dryland training. Jane Barthell, who has four kids playing hockey, said she’s OK with including it in the cost of registration.

“People say it’s too much time, but I’m all for kids getting physical activity every day,” she said.

Rachelle Heinen, mother of 7-year-old George, said it’s tough to get to all the scheduled dryland training sessions.

“They have so many practices,” she said. “I do think dryland is important, but maybe it can be an add-on.”

That’s what EHA officials are thinking, especially for the youngest ages.

“We would like to find ways to make the parents more in control of the way they spend their money on hockey,” said Devoe. “If there’s a way to make it more of an a la carte option, we’d like to explore that.”

And some parents and children simply may need an occasional break from the intensity of Edina hockey.

“They might want to stay home at night and do their homework and have dinner, instead of being part of the hockey world for the sixth night in a row,” said Finnegan.

Finnegan played on a state championship team at Burnsville High School under coach Tom Osiecki and then played at St. Cloud State University under another legendary coach, Herb Brooks. Those coaches encouraged their players to take a break from hockey, he said.

“They would say, ‘Get off the skates and come back hungry for hockey,’ ” he said.

Parents are often the ones pushing long hours of hockey on their kids, said Larry Hendrickson, former head coach at Richfield High School and father of former NHL player Darby Hendrickson. Reducing the cost of hockey “is where the world has to go,” he said.

“The reality is, if your kid has talent and passion, he will figure out what it takes to get to the next level,” Hendrickson said. “You don’t have to take him and spend all that dang money and worry that he won’t get to the next level.”

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Post by thegreatone99 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:53 pm

keep stating there are no such things as haves and "nots" and these girls do not show up at certain schools.

Was there a statement about declining numbers even in a hotbed like edina with their youngest age groups? You were right I was misrepresenting the numbers as many pointed out.

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Post by thegreatone99 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:11 pm

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Post by maristar » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:36 am

thegreatone99 wrote::oops:

Here is another fact based article to backup TGO99's ignorance- once again, never let facts influence your perception!

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/news_art ... _id=710946

Minnesota: Land of 17,000 Mites

03/01/2016, 11:30am CST By StateofHockey.com
State of Hockey Eclipses Milestone; Home to Most 8-and-Under Players in the United States

Earlier this year, USA Hockey announced that for the sixth straight season, it has eclipsed 100,000 players in its 8-and-under age category. Not surprisingly, no state in the country could match Minnesota - the "State of Hockey" - which for the first time, can boast more than 17,000 players in that age group.

For perspective:

Massachusetts ranks second in the U.S. with more than 13,000 8U players.
Minnesotans account for roughly 1.7 percent of the U.S. population, but 17 percent of the country's 8U hockey players.
The 2015-16 season marks the third consecutive year of growth for Minnesota at the 8U level.

Last year, Minnesota set a record with 3,901 8U girls hockey players.
Reaching 17,632 8U players is an accomplishment that speaks to the State of Hockey's ability to sustain participation growth at the youth levels
. The numbers can be attributed to state-wide participation initiatives, thousands of volunteer hours and programs such as Try Hockey For Free.

"There are several reasons that youth participation numbers continue to grow in Minnesota, in particular the volunteers within our associations who work so hard and are so passionate about getting kids in their communities onto the ice," said Glen Andresen, executive director of Minnesota Hockey. "That passion, combined with programs designed to welcome families into the game and make them feel comfortable is creating an extremely bright future for hockey in Minnesota. All levels of hockey will be feeling the impact of these numbers in future years."

Hockey in Minnesota is more than a game. It's part of everyday life and culture, whether up north in Roseau and Warroad, in Duluth, St. Cloud, the Twin Cities metro area or further south in places like Mankato and Red Wing. The rise in youth participation numbers and the number of Minnesota-born skaters that make their way to the game's highest levels speaks to the passion and commitment its residents have to the sport. This week marks the start of the 2016 Boys' High School Hockey State Tournament, which last year had a record 135,618 fans in attendance.

To celebrate the milestone, a Stateofhockey.com sweepstakes launched today, through which one winner will have their 2016-17 local youth hockey association fees reimbursed (up to $2,000). Additional prizes in the "State of Hockey Pays Your Dues Sweepstakes" include a $100 Hockey Lodge gift card and an Aspire gift pack. No purchase necessary to enter. For full details and to enter, visit stateofhockey.com/sweepstakes.

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Post by thegreatone99 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:47 am

thegreatone99 wrote:Let's do the quick simple math, I prefer things simple

These numbers are from the same table of USA Hockey, only MN Girl stats

The foundation for girls hockey would be the youngsters (7/8 yr olds) when all the parents are excited and investing into their future D1 superstar. And then the late bloomers at 9-10 yrs old. But after that, not sure how many girls start playing at U12. By U12 everyone is sizing up their local HS program and will she be the 1st line star that can skip U15s to be on Varsity.

Year - 12-13 (Age) 9/10 yr olds: 2,124
Year - 13-14 (Age) 9/10 yr olds: 2,106
Year - 14-15 (Age) 9/10 yr olds: 1,995 every yr neg growth

Year - 12-13 (Age) 7/8 yr olds: 1,914
Year - 13-14 (Age) 7/8 yr olds: 1,896
Year - 14-15 (Age) 7/8 yr olds: 1,995 flat, neg, minimal growth

I guess I am confused, where are these amazing growth numbers for the State of Hockey that are the foundation for years to come?
8U Numbers Girls - right from Minnesotahockeyorg.com
You demonstrate record numbers for *U mites, How many of these were actually NEW for the year, not total? In 10-11 there were NEW girls of 1,752 and season 14-15 there were 1,744 NEW registered girls You are right amazing growth. There were more NEW girls for 2010 than 2015
Anyone can spine the numbers and Minnesota Hockey needs to based on the value of the game to our economy.

Can I call you the Spinnmaster

10-11 11-12 12-13 13-14 14-15
3757 3825 3608 3718 3901

-3.7% 1.8% -5.7% 3.0% 4.9%

NEW 1752 1676 1474 1710 1744

% 0.5% -4.3% -12.1% 16.0% 2.0%

RETAINED 2005 2149 2134 2008 2157
% -7.0% 7.2% -0.7% -5.9% 7.4%
LOST 620 686 704 657 677
% -8.4% 10.6% 2.6% -6.7% 3.0%

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