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Eagles93
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Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by Eagles93 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:07 pm

Semi-finalists have been announced:

Maggie Malecha - Northfield
Kenzie Cole - Grand Rapids
Annika Lavender - Wayzata
Jori Jones - Roseville
Carley Tuman - Woodbury
Angie Lombardi - Eastview
Hannah Fritz - CDH
Abby Pajari - Proctor/Hermantown
Kendra Nordick - Warroad
Sophia Johnson - Minnetonka
Leah Bosch - Hopkins
Ashley Hess - Elk River

Surprises or omissions? Rimstad? Haag? Van Stelten? Lang? I suppose the latter three didn't play all/most of her team's games so that's probably a consideration?

Maybe j4241 can run numbers on goalies against top 10/20/all teams like skaters? :wink:

Lace'emUp
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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by Lace'emUp » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:23 pm

Eagles93 wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:07 pm
Semi-finalists have been announced:

Maggie Malecha - Northfield
Kenzie Cole - Grand Rapids
Annika Lavender - Wayzata
Jori Jones - Roseville
Carley Tuman - Woodbury
Angie Lombardi - Eastview
Hannah Fritz - CDH
Abby Pajari - Proctor/Hermantown
Kendra Nordick - Warroad
Sophia Johnson - Minnetonka
Leah Bosch - Hopkins
Ashley Hess - Elk River

Surprises or omissions? Rimstad? Haag? Van Stelten? Lang? I suppose the latter three didn't play all/most of her team's games so that's probably a consideration?

Maybe j4241 can run numbers on goalies against top 10/20/all teams like skaters? :wink:
Here's a quick summary from the Hub, in order of last name (thru today):

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First	Last     	GP	MIN	W	L	T	SOG	SV	GA	GAA	SV%	SO
Leah	Bosch    	26	1114	5	17	0	936	866	70	3.2	0.925	1
Kenzie	Cole    	27	1341	18	9	0	588	543	45	1.71	0.923	8
Hannah	Fritz    	27	1332	16	8	2	773	719	54	2.07	0.93	2
Ashley	Hess    	25	1285	11	12	2	705	642	63	2.5	0.911	2
Sophia	Johnson  	26	1176	17	6	0	465	424	41	1.78	0.912	5
Jori	Jones   	26	975	12	5	2	480	444	36	1.88	0.925	3
Annika	Lavender	26	1283	16	8	1	537	489	48	1.91	0.911	7
Angie	Lombardi	25	1296	11	13	1	743	667	76	2.99	0.898	1
Maggie	Malecha   	26	1350	18	5	3	656	618	38	1.44	0.942	7
Kendra	Nordick   	26	1087	17	3	1	386	362	24	1.13	0.938	8
Abby	Pajari   	25	1169	16	7	1	539	509	30	1.31	0.944	5
Carley	Tuman   	26	1309	14	12	0	803	740	63	2.45	0.922	7
The only individual I reviewed was Johnson since I figured she arguably had the hardest schedule. Here's her numbers against the top 20 teams listed in the senior stats:

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First	Last     	GP	MIN	W	L	T	SOG	SV	GA	GAA	SV%	SO
Sophia	Johnson  	12	615.55	6	6	0	298	267	31	2.57	0.896	0

j4241
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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by j4241 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:39 pm

Eagles93 wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:07 pm
Semi-finalists have been announced:

Maggie Malecha - Northfield (74)
Kenzie Cole - Grand Rapids (49)
Annika Lavender - Wayzata (3)
Jori Jones - Roseville (41)
Carley Tuman - Woodbury (55)
Angie Lombardi - Eastview (19)
Hannah Fritz - CDH (24)
Abby Pajari - Proctor/Hermantown (33)
Kendra Nordick - Warroad (36)
Sophia Johnson - Minnetonka (4)
Leah Bosch - Hopkins (70)
Ashley Hess - Elk River (9)

Surprises or omissions? Rimstad? Haag? Van Stelten? Lang? I suppose the latter three didn't play all/most of her team's games so that's probably a consideration?

Maybe j4241 can run numbers on goalies against top 10/20/all teams like skaters? :wink:
Too much, but I added PageStat strength of schedule ranking above.

Eagles93
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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by Eagles93 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:43 pm

Lavendar actually had a tougher schedule than Johnson, at least in terms of games against top 20 teams. Fairly similar stats:

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First	Last		GP	MIN	W	L	T	SOG	SV	GA	GAA	SV%	SO
Annika	Lavendar	15	773.00	6	8	1	380	337	43	2.84	0.887	1

Eagles93
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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by Eagles93 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:44 pm

j4241 wrote:
Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:39 pm
Too much, but I added PageStat strength of schedule ranking above.
Goalies never get the love. :D Kidding, appreciate your skater stats, they are fun to look at.

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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by girlshockey4ever » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:48 am

Wow! You guys have an awesome amount of time. Thanks for doing this. From looking at the numbers how is this not a race between Johnson and Lavendar? Pajair has good numbers but plays some really really bad teams.

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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by j4241 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:18 am

Hope I'm not offending anyone by pointing this out, but why are there 12 nominees? 114 teams, probably a bit under 5 senior skaters per team or about 500 seniors competing for 10 Ms. Hockey candidates. Those same 114 teams probably have (at most) an average of less than one senior goalie per team, or 100 total competing, but they get more candidates?

Anyway, as all the goalie parents know, goalie stats are a total joke compared to the also very flawed points. Might be interesting to look at PK% vs top 10 and 20 teams - that's at least objective (goal vs no goal), and dials focus in on the goalie contribution relative to the D (although impossible to separate). You really need a high danger chance save %, and that's not available in high school. My guess is Johnson and Lavendar would still both look pretty good by that measure - Tonka controls the puck a lot but gives up bad chances with the run and gun style, and Wayzata's D are more defensively oriented but aren't as skilled so also give up more.

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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year

Post by jg2112 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:48 am

j4241 wrote:
Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:18 am
Hope I'm not offending anyone by pointing this out, but why are there 12 nominees? 114 teams, probably a bit under 5 senior skaters per team or about 500 seniors competing for 10 Ms. Hockey candidates. Those same 114 teams probably have (at most) an average of less than one senior goalie per team, or 100 total competing, but they get more candidates?

Anyway, as all the goalie parents know, goalie stats are a total joke compared to the also very flawed points. Might be interesting to look at PK% vs top 10 and 20 teams - that's at least objective (goal vs no goal), and dials focus in on the goalie contribution relative to the D (although impossible to separate). You really need a high danger chance save %, and that's not available in high school. My guess is Johnson and Lavendar would still both look pretty good by that measure - Tonka controls the puck a lot but gives up bad chances with the run and gun style, and Wayzata's D are more defensively oriented but aren't as skilled so also give up more.
I think I read somewhere that 3 nominees tied for 10th, so they expanded the pool to 12 this year.

As to your more general question, as to why there are 10 candidates. Five get invited to the banquet. They probably want two rounds of voting. And they won't reduce the finalists from 5 to a hypothetical 3, because that would mean less banquet revenue.

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