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Bobby The Tina Slayer Orr
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Tougne in cheek

Post by Bobby The Tina Slayer Orr » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:31 am

I'm glad that you know where I'm coming from Gos....<br>I would also like to agree with the mounting evidence that Mark Stephan will be a very prosperous coach with the fabulous Edina program. They have many great up and coming players and a wonderful feeder program in place.<br>Why do you think Palmquist wanted to move there?<br>So he could continue to have awesome talent to work with. He had done his homework for sure. You notice he wasn't applying at TRI-City. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Tougne in cheek

Post by ghshockeyfan » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:02 am

Yes indeed. Many quality applicants for the Edina position I believe, and not so many for others. To be honest, I don't know how many there were for the last three jobs I've held either... There's something to be said for building a program, but it's also nice to be supplied with some tools to work with. I look at the youth that were involved in these three programs that I was/am affiliated with, and I see good things out of all three. Coincidence? No, I don't think so, this was looked into a bit - maybe the first one was coincidental.<br><br>The St. Paul youth from 5 years ago seem to be having a standout season this year with the Blades. The Bloomington youth seem to have produced some nice players as referenced above, and currently the IGH U12A has a small but nice squad. I don't take any credit for any of this, as it's not attributible to my coaching staff, etc. - but it is something that can help to have established/quality players at the youth ranks prior to your arrival. In each of these cases, the youth in question had solid youth coaching as well, but it wasn't of my doing!<br><br>Note that stability in the HS coaching position in a community would allow these examples to be seen through to fruition, but the turnover in G Hockey doesn't often allow for this. How many head coaches have been with one program for more than 2 years? How about even 3-5? 5+??? Not too many I don't bet...<br><br>I should state in the Edina case, the current coach has had some hand in developing the youth program there. Not that he's single handedly responsible for its success, but he's contributed as a coach over the years with teams that haven't had his children on them either...<br><br>May I also add that SSP has a WONDERFUL U10A team that could produce some top talent one day - but it's really way too soon to tell... And I believe that the current coach there has a daughter playing with this group?<br><br>I think the diference with fully developed "model" programs like Edina and others is that others have much greater ups & downs or peaks & valleys #'s/talent wise, whereas Edina like programs are much more stable year-in & year-out. Obviously this is a product of numbers - but they have built the model program there and a select few others have similar setups (Park CG, etc.). <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeyfan</A> at: 2/17/06 10:05 am<br></i>

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Eden Prairie

Post by madjagfan » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:52 pm

From what you have seen are they going to be State champions? <br>My wife, who sees more games than she would like says no! i say, they have played and beat a very, very, good Edina team and a very, very, good Wayazata team. So my question is who is going to beat them? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Eden Prairie

Post by hubbaa » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:34 pm

madjagfan,<br><br>ep is the best team in state but now they will see every team they play will have a plan against them. this makes it tough for them because the other teams will be better prepared for them than ep is for the opponent. my reasoning is that ep has been able to play its game the entire year with only a couple teams coming close to beating them. they are not going to alter its game much, simply because it doesn't have to. now they will be playing games where everyone they play should be altering its game a lot to try to neutralize the ep strengths and take advantage of its weaknesses. the games from now on should be much closer making the margin of error much narrower than in the past. wayzata altered its game and easily could have beaten them. i would expect the same thing from everyone they play at state. my guess is still roseville going home with the trophy... <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Eden Prairie

Post by Nostalgic Nerd » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:03 pm

What was the correct number on EP's goals allowed up to this point? <p>"Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die today." --James Dean</p><i></i>

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Re: Eden Prairie

Post by ghshockeyfan » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:22 pm

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Re: Eden Prairie

Post by madjagfan » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:23 pm

Hub--Saw them play against both Edina and Wayazata--IMO two totally different teams--one physical, holding, when they could (Edina), the other more wide open--(Wayazata) Roseville winning it all? I would agree they could advance to final. Only win if EP gets knocked out, which I do not see happening do I see Roseville winning it all--It will be fun and it will also be interesting to see how EP trys to bottle up Jones--Tomorrow night will be fun!! <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Eden Prairie

Post by mnhockeygal » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:24 am

EP could have lost to Wayzata, was a good game and they got it done. However, they are going to learn a little something about pressure this weekend and what it will take to beat them is a great effort from a star player. Your going to see that tonight:<br><br>Stillwater 3<br>EP 2 <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Eden Prairie

Post by hubbaa » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:02 am

madfan,<br><br>roseville to me has been dissappointing so far. they typically outplay everyone they play but are having problems putting the puck in the net. i still like them because the coach. i see them as the best prepared team because of him and i'm hoping they can battle through the year long funk. a long shot they are... <p></p><i></i>

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Eden Prairie

Post by madjagfan » Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:40 pm

6-1 over Stillwater--Three goals reviewed--two disallowed, one on player in the crease, the other a hand pass--One goal each team--On the Stillwater goal that was disallowed on the originol review they called it a goal, the EP coaching staff called the ref over and after discussion they reviewed again and dissallowed due to the hand pass.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Eden Prairie

Post by ghshockeyfan » Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:57 pm

It may be premature, but how does this EP team stack up against the best ever?<br><br>I believe they have 4 if not 5 NDP Lake Placid F's. I believe 2 of the D are LP caliber, and the G's aren't bad either... Top to bottom talent wise this team may be right up there with the best ever...<br><br>While they let in the 20th goal of the season tonight, they came very close to the fewest goals allowed in a season... <p></p><i></i>

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eden prairie

Post by madjagfan » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:25 pm

I really like their defense--Very strong and just do not seem to make mistakes, they move the puck now-did not give up many opportunities to Jones or others-- <p></p><i></i>

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Re: eden prairie

Post by ghshockeyfan » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:54 pm

Scary part is that their D will be even stronger next year I hear with the addition of another great D form the youth ranks...<br><br>Pezon's gradutation will hurt though. Thought she played a decent game tonight from the reports I received. Making a strong case as a Ms. Hockey finalist! <p></p><i></i>

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EP

Post by Artificial Ice » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:43 pm

Watched EP vs CEC tonite. First time I've seen EP play. I was not impressed with EP, at least not impressed enough to consider them the best ever. I don't think they could of competed with SSP's team last year. One other note I'd like to make is that I saw an awful lot of cheap shots from them after the whistle. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: EP

Post by xk1 » Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:29 pm

I think this completes a sweep of almost every top team in the state and most by scores of about 6-1. <br><br>I thought the EP coaches showed respect for both their goalies giving one the start and the other the chance to be out on the ice for the victory. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: EP

Post by ghshockeyfan » Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:32 pm

Are they one of the best ever???...???<br><br>RV 1996?<br>SSP 2003<br>EP 2006<br><br>Only teams to go undefeated. <p></p><i></i>

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Good For Them

Post by hockey112233 » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:55 pm

I think it's quite funny how people bad talk EP. It's said how they recruit, or are cheap or wouldn't be as good if they only played with homegrown players. It's also quite humorous how people cannot just be happy for them. EP is a solid, determined team that showed that at the State Tournament this year. I have played with a lot of the girls on that team, and they are a great bunch. They show a lot of heart and they compete and such a high level. They worked hard all season, and came through. So, why can't people give them the recognition they deserve? I say, good for them. They are a well rounded team that is obviously doing something right. They aren't cheap, they aren't prissy, they play good, smart, talented hockey. So to everyone out there who thinks "THEY AREN'T THE REAL DEAL"...just give them the credit they deserve. Being bitter about it isn't going to make them any worse. It's cool to see a team that has developed so much. I think it's just what girls hockey needs, and it gives everyone a chance to say "Look at what it's become" and to show how far it is going to go. So rather than cut down EP for all the so-called reasons that they are good, take it as an oppurtunity to learn from them, and to be hopeful of girls hockey in the future. They are carving a high step path for the years to come, and hopefully that is the fuel that the program needs to take off. So congratulations to EP, it is all well deserved. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Good For Them

Post by Random1727 » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:29 pm

Well put Hockey... Damn near time I finally see someone who agrees with me. GO EP! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: EP

Post by Nostalgic Nerd » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> Are they one of the best ever???...???<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes. Maybe not as dominant as SSP in '03 territorially, but the fastest ever. <p>"Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die today." --James Dean</p><i></i>

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Re: EP

Post by Nostalgic Nerd » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:14 pm

They'll give SSP a run for their money in the dynasty department too. They probably had more depth than any team this year or any. Scary... their only losing three seniors. <p>"Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die today." --James Dean</p><i></i>

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Re: Good For Them

Post by hockeyrube » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:19 am

"So rather than cut down EP for the reasons they are good...."<br><br>Give me a break !!! Call them what they are - an excellent AAA team. Perhaps they should be called the Southwestern Metro All-Star team. I hope all you people that think this is a great thing for girls hockey are ready for HS hockey to die a slow death at the hands of AAA hockey. I have watched this happen in Soccer over the years - all the focus has changed from HS Soccer to Summer Traveling teams. The college scouts focus all their time on the Summer teams, and very little on HS Soccer. Some of the elite Soccer players don't even bother playing HS Soccer anymore, and the attendance at HS games is very low. <br><br>I am not whining- I just think that open enrollment has allowed the "drive-in" transfers to significantly affect the lay of the land in Girls HS Hockey. The Kennedy girls had a lot to do with the success of EP's team this year, and I hear that they are getting Ludwigson next year. Where does it end ?? <br>So to compete with EP, the rest of us Suburban HS Programs should be doing the same thing ??? <br><br>I would rather be in a program where we build the youth program from the ground up and reap the rewards a few years down the road at the HS level with a completely homegrown team the old fashioned way. <br><br>Mark my words - HS Girls hockey will suffer at the hands of AAA !!!!<br> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Good For Them

Post by xk1 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:28 am

Explain please, what has AAA hockey got to do with it? We have AAA hockey, the Thouroughbreds, what does that have to do with EP or SSP and open enrollment. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... xk1>xk1</A> at: 2/27/06 9:38 am<br></i>

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Re: Good For Them

Post by hubbaa » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:32 am

congrats to ep. great talent and fun to watch. good luck next year and duck the bullets that might come your way. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Good For Them

Post by hockeyrube » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:50 am

xK1,<br><br>For further elaboration - check out my comments on my post #41 under the "Before & After" thread. AAA hockey is the breeding ground for open enrollment "drive-ins". I have coached alot of AAA hockey, and hear the girls conversations "wouldn't it be great if we could play together in the HS season ??" - it appears as though some of these kids are trying out this theory.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Good For Them

Post by xk1 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:53 am

OK, I understand that theory, just wondering if there was a new one. <br>I think all summer development opportunities provide the same "breeding ground". CODP, NDP, OS, STP, etc. Are you proposing they should all be discontinued? <p></p><i></i>

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