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Post by Mavs » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:07 am

InigoMontoya wrote:Sure, which makes the 14U age group a modified 13U.

Tough sell to a kid (or parent) that moved up from 10U to 12U and had some success against the older girls, then really dominated many of the games as a 2nd year 12U, knowing that few of the older girls that made your move from 10 to 12 challenging and fun will be at 14U this year, nor will many of your peers that excelled last year at 12s.
Yeah, I guess it really does vary from association to association depending on talent, depth and high school plucking good kids. For some, playing high school is just getting away from U14 which was depleted but other associations have very talented groups at U14 or don't allow young kids on JV.

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Post by zambonidriver » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:59 am

The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!

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Post by Mavs » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:17 pm

zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
wow, that sounds great actually. Maybe U14 can save itself

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Post by jg2112 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:12 pm

zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.

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Post by Mavs » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:20 pm

jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.

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Post by zambonidriver » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:45 am

Mavs wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
The past director and 3 families wrecked it and hs coach did nothing about it. Lost the best player from the class in front two of the best players from that class and the best player from the class behind they will be mediocre in HS

My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.

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Post by Mavs » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:44 am

zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
The past director and 3 families wrecked it and hs coach did nothing about it. Lost the best player from the class in front two of the best players from that class and the best player from the class behind they will be mediocre in HS

My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.
which players left? private schools?

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Post by zambonidriver » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:17 pm

Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
The past director and 3 families wrecked it and hs coach did nothing about it. Lost the best player from the class in front two of the best players from that class and the best player from the class behind they will be mediocre in HS

My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.
which players left? private schools?
Jordan Hanson CDH, Kennedy Speiring CDH, Gretchen Greeder HM Greeder played varsity for WBL as an eighth grader. Hanson is going to be a junior has been at CDH for two years Speiring was the leading scorer for WBL u-12 two years ago and is going to be a 10th grader. Howe Stillwater 9th grader this year.

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Post by Mavs » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:31 pm

zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
The past director and 3 families wrecked it and hs coach did nothing about it. Lost the best player from the class in front two of the best players from that class and the best player from the class behind they will be mediocre in HS

My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.
which players left? private schools?
Jordan Hanson CDH, Kennedy Speiring CDH, Gretchen Greeder HM Greeder played varsity for WBL as an eighth grader. Hanson is going to be a junior has been at CDH for two years Speiring was the leading scorer for WBL u-12 two years ago and is going to be a 10th grader. Howe Stillwater 9th grader this year.
Looks like Howe was a 10th grader last year?
http://www.wblhockey.com/roster/show/14 ... son=190471

Does she have to play JV as a transfer? I have a buddy with a WBL lax player and he said the dad was a big lax coach or board member at WBL and left to take a lacrosse coaching job at Stillwater. (not sure if JV or varsity coach) Not sure if they moved or open enrolled.

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Post by zambonidriver » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:47 am

Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
The past director and 3 families wrecked it and hs coach did nothing about it. Lost the best player from the class in front two of the best players from that class and the best player from the class behind they will be mediocre in HS

My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.
which players left? private schools?
Jordan Hanson CDH, Kennedy Speiring CDH, Gretchen Greeder HM Greeder played varsity for WBL as an eighth grader. Hanson is going to be a junior has been at CDH for two years Speiring was the leading scorer for WBL u-12 two years ago and is going to be a 10th grader. Howe Stillwater 9th grader this year.
Looks like Howe was a 10th grader last year?
http://www.wblhockey.com/roster/show/14 ... son=190471

Does she have to play JV as a transfer? I have a buddy with a WBL lax player and he said the dad was a big lax coach or board member at WBL and left to take a lacrosse coaching job at Stillwater. (not sure if JV or varsity coach) Not sure if they moved or open enrolled.
Not if she just played JV then she is elligible. IDK about Lacrosse. Her dad was responsible for the high numbers up through 2001 he did a lot to promote girls hockey in wbl. Was never appreciated for it.

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Post by SECoach » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:37 am

zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
The past director and 3 families wrecked it and hs coach did nothing about it. Lost the best player from the class in front two of the best players from that class and the best player from the class behind they will be mediocre in HS

My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.
which players left? private schools?
Jordan Hanson CDH, Kennedy Speiring CDH, Gretchen Greeder HM Greeder played varsity for WBL as an eighth grader. Hanson is going to be a junior has been at CDH for two years Speiring was the leading scorer for WBL u-12 two years ago and is going to be a 10th grader. Howe Stillwater 9th grader this year.
Looks like Howe was a 10th grader last year?
http://www.wblhockey.com/roster/show/14 ... son=190471

Does she have to play JV as a transfer? I have a buddy with a WBL lax player and he said the dad was a big lax coach or board member at WBL and left to take a lacrosse coaching job at Stillwater. (not sure if JV or varsity coach) Not sure if they moved or open enrolled.
Not if she just played JV then she is elligible. IDK about Lacrosse. Her dad was responsible for the high numbers up through 2001 he did a lot to promote girls hockey in wbl. Was never appreciated for it.
Not if she just played JV then she is elligible.

I disagree. What she played the year before is not one of the criteria to be eligible for varsity play after a transfer. Without meeting the specified criteria she is would be ineligible to play varsity for one calendar year.

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Post by zambonidriver » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:10 pm

SECoach wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:
jg2112 wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:The numbers are starting to come back on the Eastside. I know Stillwater, Forest Lake, MV, Mahtomedi, NE Metro, all will have strong 14 A teams as they are going to the A/B format. The Forest lake coach does not want any 8th graders unless they are going to skate a regular varsity shift. Same with Stillwater. Woodbury isn't going to have 14U the high schools splitting really screwed up that program. Highland will have one team for sure but hasn't decided if they have to whether they will field A/B or two A teams. Hill is starting to be the same way. They are filling their JV with young players they project as varsity by sophomore. White Bear is paying the price for allowing 3 families to dictate policy on the girls side. They will struggle to field a 12A team this year. Winny is helping Roseville player development Their number are on the increase. The westside numbers are strong so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!
The past director and 3 families wrecked it and hs coach did nothing about it. Lost the best player from the class in front two of the best players from that class and the best player from the class behind they will be mediocre in HS

My understanding is that WBL will not have a U12A team. That leaves a couple very solid players hanging out there as potential waiver candidates for nearby associations.
Crazy to think their group heading into 9th might be the deepest and most talented in the state and their group going into 7th can't even form an A team. Talk about feast or famine.
which players left? private schools?
Jordan Hanson CDH, Kennedy Speiring CDH, Gretchen Greeder HM Greeder played varsity for WBL as an eighth grader. Hanson is going to be a junior has been at CDH for two years Speiring was the leading scorer for WBL u-12 two years ago and is going to be a 10th grader. Howe Stillwater 9th grader this year.
Looks like Howe was a 10th grader last year?
http://www.wblhockey.com/roster/show/14 ... son=190471

Does she have to play JV as a transfer? I have a buddy with a WBL lax player and he said the dad was a big lax coach or board member at WBL and left to take a lacrosse coaching job at Stillwater. (not sure if JV or varsity coach) Not sure if they moved or open enrolled.
Not if she just played JV then she is elligible. IDK about Lacrosse. Her dad was responsible for the high numbers up through 2001 he did a lot to promote girls hockey in wbl. Was never appreciated for it.
Not if she just played JV then she is elligible.

I disagree. What she played the year before is not one of the criteria to be eligible for varsity play after a transfer. Without meeting the specified criteria she is would be ineligible to play varsity for one calendar year.
You are correct I miss read the rule.

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Zambonidriver your something else

Post by Clapper » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:29 pm

Time in and time out you have proven yourself to be overconsumed by your daughters hockey. You are quick to point out problems in the system when there is a road block in your daughters path. The issue at hand is your daughter probably wouldn't have played a varsity game until her senior year at WBL. That is the only reason you choose to bad mouth WBL on this forum. It's very comical watching you leapfrogging from program to program trying to find a home for her to play. Your frustration in the situation that she is in has caused you to blame others and act like there is a problem in the system. In regards to your theory that the three families caused the #'s drop in WBL. This is so off based it's no surprise that someone with your intelligence level would come up with that theory. The reason for the # drop wasn't due to an individual or group of people! If you look at the state at a whole the numbers have fallen off state wide for the 2002 to 2005 birth years. It even has that dip in the boys programs. If you think back to 2007 when the economy went bust you might see a trend to the # problem. If my math is right most 2002 birth years were around 5 years old in 2007. Kind of odd that's when most kids start hockey don't you think? Pretty tough sport to think about getting your kid into when you just lost 25% equity in your home. I also find it funny that you praise Scott Howe on all he did for the program when in actuality he drove a few of the best players out of the program by sleeping with some of the moms. Stillwater can have him and his 10A prodigy that never amounted to anything. In regards 8th graders playing varsity, it is what it is. It's a numbers game for every program. There are more high school programs then associations. If my math is right again you will never get rid of this issue. Until the numbers increase you will always see high school coach's grab the better talented 8th and 9th graders. Then lastly you often talk about your older daughter and her success. I kind of find it funny that she didn't come from your gene pool! Maybe that's why she succeeded. I think you would do everyone a favor if you retire your comments from this forum and stop poisoning all our minds with your self driven propaganda. PEACE OUT "THE CLAPPER"

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Re: Zambonidriver your something else

Post by zambonidriver » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:49 am

Clapper wrote:Time in and time out you have proven yourself to be overconsumed by your daughters hockey. You are quick to point out problems in the system when there is a road block in your daughters path. The issue at hand is your daughter probably wouldn't have played a varsity game until her senior year at WBL. That is the only reason you choose to bad mouth WBL on this forum. It's very comical watching you leapfrogging from program to program trying to find a home for her to play. Your frustration in the situation that she is in has caused you to blame others and act like there is a problem in the system. In regards to your theory that the three families caused the #'s drop in WBL. This is so off based it's no surprise that someone with your intelligence level would come up with that theory. The reason for the # drop wasn't due to an individual or group of people! If you look at the state at a whole the numbers have fallen off state wide for the 2002 to 2005 birth years. It even has that dip in the boys programs. If you think back to 2007 when the economy went bust you might see a trend to the # problem. If my math is right most 2002 birth years were around 5 years old in 2007. Kind of odd that's when most kids start hockey don't you think? Pretty tough sport to think about getting your kid into when you just lost 25% equity in your home. I also find it funny that you praise Scott Howe on all he did for the program when in actuality he drove a few of the best players out of the program by sleeping with some of the moms. Stillwater can have him and his 10A prodigy that never amounted to anything. In regards 8th graders playing varsity, it is what it is. It's a numbers game for every program. There are more high school programs then associations. If my math is right again you will never get rid of this issue. Until the numbers increase you will always see high school coach's grab the better talented 8th and 9th graders. Then lastly you often talk about your older daughter and her success. I kind of find it funny that she didn't come from your gene pool! Maybe that's why she succeeded. I think you would do everyone a favor if you retire your comments from this forum and stop poisoning all our minds with your self driven propaganda. PEACE OUT "THE CLAPPER"
Clapper, You are what is wrong with organized sports, I speak the truth you know it is true, we won't get into the story of how badly the director screwed up the WBL girls association. Everyone knows that including the u12 A coach from last year who I just played golf with. I will promote my daughter and I will also express my view as this is a free country and it is my opinion people don't have to agree. I apologize for nothing. Let's see in 3 years where things are. What's going to happen with this years 2nd year 12's that were on the A team last year where do they go? That's right it isn't your problem as your daughter is moving up. Let me guess they either have to waiver out or play up? Why don't you explain the 14U fiasco from last year. It was all about winning and losing. When I go to the sports center I don't see any new banners. Bringing up SH's personal life...WOW!!! I just pointed out all he did for girls youth hockey from organizing the parade to running clinic and summer skates. You really are defensive. The term good riddance has been used way too much with regards to WBL girls hockey. Just to be clear We moved our daughter so she could develop I never do anything rash. I was totally prepared for what was going to happen. Truth be known it was very easy to predict. One thing I will never feel sorry for is doing what is best for my child. With regards to the older daughter you are correct she is not of my gene pool but her mother and I were married when she was in the 4th grade when we were married we decided to view all of the kids as son's or daughters and as a responsible and a good step parent I gave her all of the love and attention I would of any of my children. So yes you are right she is not of my gene pool but in my eyes and from a family point of view she is my daughter.
I wish you well.

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Post by Mavs » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:11 am

Hopefully you are looking for the best situation academically, socially and athletically and not be like some others that pick a school just so they can play high school asap. Short sighted thinking can be dangerous, in my opinion. Good luck either way.

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Post by zambonidriver » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:45 pm

Mavs wrote:Hopefully you are looking for the best situation academically, socially and athletically and not be like some others that pick a school just so they can play high school asap. Short sighted thinking can be dangerous, in my opinion. Good luck either way.
That is what we are doing clapper and i have a long history That should be kept between us.

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Post by old goalie85 » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:45 am

Wow. No way hockey can be that important.

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Post by Mavs » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:27 am

I kind of forgot where this started so I went back and read the initial post and you stated the school you "want to go" doesn't allow 8th graders to try out. Would you really go to a school other than the one you "want to go to" just so she can play high school this year instead of next year???

That seems extremely short sighted. If she does goalie training and plays in a good off season program, this one year will not make or break her career even if U14/Bantams. Why bypass the school you "want to go to"?

I assume decision time is near if you are still up in the air.

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Post by zambonidriver » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:59 am

Mavs wrote:I kind of forgot where this started so I went back and read the initial post and you stated the school you "want to go" doesn't allow 8th graders to try out. Would you really go to a school other than the one you "want to go to" just so she can play high school this year instead of next year???

That seems extremely short sighted. If she does goalie training and plays in a good off season program, this one year will not make or break her career even if U14/Bantams. Why bypass the school you "want to go to"?

I assume decision time is near if you are still up in the air.
Here is the deal, The uncertainty of girls hockey after 12's is what I was commenting on though at least on the east side it seem like some of the associations are figuring out what do do at 14's. As a goalie parent it is much different sometimes you are forced two look a year or to ahead. In June my wife was told by a college coach in a private conversation that our daughter for her development should play Varsity or boys bantams, he told my wife no JV or 14's which totally changed our thought process. That is why i asked the question as I like to get as much information as possible before making a decision. Like I said before I never do anything rash. Never in my wildest dream did i figure I would be attacked personally. We don't worry about school as our daughter has never gotten below an A in her life.(knock on wood) I am a teacher so school as a priority is a given and we as parents won't accept anything below an A. I know that seems Harsh but it is amazing how cheap insurance is and how colleges will throw money at straight A students. That being said I think we have been able to find a solution the problem.

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Post by Mavs » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:15 am

zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:I kind of forgot where this started so I went back and read the initial post and you stated the school you "want to go" doesn't allow 8th graders to try out. Would you really go to a school other than the one you "want to go to" just so she can play high school this year instead of next year???

That seems extremely short sighted. If she does goalie training and plays in a good off season program, this one year will not make or break her career even if U14/Bantams. Why bypass the school you "want to go to"?

I assume decision time is near if you are still up in the air.
Here is the deal, The uncertainty of girls hockey after 12's is what I was commenting on though at least on the east side it seem like some of the associations are figuring out what do do at 14's. As a goalie parent it is much different sometimes you are forced two look a year or to ahead. In June my wife was told by a college coach in a private conversation that our daughter for her development should play Varsity or boys bantams, he told my wife no JV or 14's which totally changed our thought process. That is why i asked the question as I like to get as much information as possible before making a decision. Like I said before I never do anything rash. Never in my wildest dream did i figure I would be attacked personally. We don't worry about school as our daughter has never gotten below an A in her life.(knock on wood) I am a teacher so school as a priority is a given and we as parents won't accept anything below an A. I know that seems Harsh but it is amazing how cheap insurance is and how colleges will throw money at straight A students. That being said I think we have been able to find a solution the problem.
Yeah, goalie is a different deal I imagine. Good luck to your family wherever you end up.

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Post by zambonidriver » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:29 am

Mavs wrote:
zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:I kind of forgot where this started so I went back and read the initial post and you stated the school you "want to go" doesn't allow 8th graders to try out. Would you really go to a school other than the one you "want to go to" just so she can play high school this year instead of next year???

That seems extremely short sighted. If she does goalie training and plays in a good off season program, this one year will not make or break her career even if U14/Bantams. Why bypass the school you "want to go to"?

I assume decision time is near if you are still up in the air.
Here is the deal, The uncertainty of girls hockey after 12's is what I was commenting on though at least on the east side it seem like some of the associations are figuring out what do do at 14's. As a goalie parent it is much different sometimes you are forced two look a year or to ahead. In June my wife was told by a college coach in a private conversation that our daughter for her development should play Varsity or boys bantams, he told my wife no JV or 14's which totally changed our thought process. That is why i asked the question as I like to get as much information as possible before making a decision. Like I said before I never do anything rash. Never in my wildest dream did i figure I would be attacked personally. We don't worry about school as our daughter has never gotten below an A in her life.(knock on wood) I am a teacher so school as a priority is a given and we as parents won't accept anything below an A. I know that seems Harsh but it is amazing how cheap insurance is and how colleges will throw money at straight A students. That being said I think we have been able to find a solution the problem.
Yeah, goalie is a different deal I imagine. Good luck to your family wherever you end up.
Thanks

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Post by Mavs » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:35 am

Just saw on the other forum where you are going. I hope you have an electric car :wink: Good luck.

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Post by royals dad » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:54 pm

zambonidriver wrote:
Mavs wrote:I kind of forgot where this started so I went back and read the initial post and you stated the school you "want to go" doesn't allow 8th graders to try out. Would you really go to a school other than the one you "want to go to" just so she can play high school this year instead of next year???

That seems extremely short sighted. If she does goalie training and plays in a good off season program, this one year will not make or break her career even if U14/Bantams. Why bypass the school you "want to go to"?

I assume decision time is near if you are still up in the air.
Here is the deal, The uncertainty of girls hockey after 12's is what I was commenting on though at least on the east side it seem like some of the associations are figuring out what do do at 14's. As a goalie parent it is much different sometimes you are forced two look a year or to ahead. In June my wife was told by a college coach in a private conversation that our daughter for her development should play Varsity or boys bantams, he told my wife no JV or 14's which totally changed our thought process. That is why i asked the question as I like to get as much information as possible before making a decision. Like I said before I never do anything rash. Never in my wildest dream did i figure I would be attacked personally. We don't worry about school as our daughter has never gotten below an A in her life.(knock on wood) I am a teacher so school as a priority is a given and we as parents won't accept anything below an A. I know that seems Harsh but it is amazing how cheap insurance is and how colleges will throw money at straight A students. That being said I think we have been able to find a solution the problem.
College coaches shouldn't be giving this kind of advice out to parents of a jr. high age player. Even if they are asked directly they should give something like "find the right place for her ability and social maturity". I thought it was out of line when Miller pushed her senior commit to play HS Boys but at least she was already committed and a senior.

There was a Tonka goalie a couple years back who had the chance to move to a private school where she could start varsity as a 9th grader and it was clear she was buried behind two of the states top goalies until she would be a senior. She decided to stay with her friends and youth teammates, play 14s then JV and get a few Varsity starts until her turn came as a senior. She is a great kid, D1 goalie, and made Strelow this year. Don't let anyone tell you that you have to do anything.

U12s going over 100 games, girls feeling like they have to play boys hockey, people switching schools to get more exposure, someone on here even referenced hockey as a monetary investment. Ugh every time that observer character gets on her and says recruit, recruit, recruit, I love this sport been around it my whole life but I think my advice to parents of a 6 year old would be run away, run away, run away.

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Post by Nevertoomuchhockey » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:08 pm

That wasn't a push by future D1 coach. That was a push (and shove, and more pushing) by the coach(es) on the boys side. My own daughter played a lot of squirts hockey the last 2 years. My son almost always had at least one girl on his teams through first year bantams. Depending on where you live, talent, travel, and plain old competitiveness may lead toward or away from boys hockey. If nothing else the numbers on the boys side are universally higher (often much higher) so the off season ice available in camps/clinics/leagues/etc. are so much easier to find. At least through first year peewees, many girls seem to (on average) be taller, stronger, faster because their male counterparts are just then (mostly) heading into their growth spurts and developing muscle mass. Lots of reasons why you or I or my neighbor might want their daughter to play traditional "boys" hockey. All are valid; probably all are unique.

And hockey IS an investment. Every dollar and minute you spend on or with your kids is an investment. The crazy only comes in to play if you expect the return on that investment to be D1, Team USA, Ms. Hockey.... If the return you are looking for is a good work ethic, balancing a school/sport/social life, being part of a team, and all the intangibles that come with this game we so love, then we as parents can choose to invest in hockey rather than or in addition to piano lessons, foreign exchange travel, community theater.

If my kid has a verbal or written commitment and the future college coach suggests x,y,z... Well assuming we trust her/him and are thinking further down the hockey line than February, my daughter will hopefully be mature enough to weigh the interests of ALL parties (mostly her own!) when making those kinds of choices.

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Post by observer » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:46 am

I think my advice to parents of a 6 year old would be run away, run away, run away.
Please don't talk to any parents of children 6 years old or younger.

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