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goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:28 pm

I think the sticking point is if the kid lost his amateur status then MN Hockey shouldn't be involved with him. ( I don't know if he's still an amateur by definition or not, people have made valid arguments both ways)

Also being a high school coach doesn't have anything to do with your involvement with USA Hockey, just like officials I 'd assume many coaches are affiliated with both organizations.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:13 pm

394 West wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
394 West wrote: What does the deal with Baer have to do with anything related to this topic?
What doesn't it have to do with it?

MSHSL should have no correlation with this program if they will ALLOW a kid to be kicked out for looking, but then ACCEPT another back in with open arms.
I dont believe MSHL has any control for why someone gets kicked off a team when they go directly against what a coach tells them.

I believe the MHSL would have said too harsh, if he would have been kicked off the team for missing a friday practice and attending a "brother's game" in Vancouver.

ANYTHING would have been fine besides a CHL game.

There's the problem.

394 West · Post by **394 West** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:12 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
394 West wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote: What doesn't it have to do with it?

MSHSL should have no correlation with this program if they will ALLOW a kid to be kicked out for looking, but then ACCEPT another back in with open arms.
I dont believe MSHL has any control for why someone gets kicked off a team when they go directly against what a coach tells them.
I believe the MHSL would have said too harsh, if he would have been kicked off the team for missing a friday practice and attending a "brother's game" in Vancouver.

ANYTHING would have been fine besides a CHL game.

There's the problem.

Sorry disagree. That is a very disciplined program and for someone to go directly against what a coach told you none the less a freshman. Well your out. The MHSL has nothing to do with it. It's a coaching decision.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:43 pm

394 West wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
394 West wrote: I dont believe MSHL has any control for why someone gets kicked off a team when they go directly against what a coach tells them.
I believe the MHSL would have said too harsh, if he would have been kicked off the team for missing a friday practice and attending a "brother's game" in Vancouver.

ANYTHING would have been fine besides a CHL game.

There's the problem.
Sorry disagree. That is a very disciplined program and for someone to go directly against what a coach told you none the less a freshman. Well your out. The MHSL has nothing to do with it. It's a coaching decision.

But you have to admit that anything else would have been fine, right? Pauly has made it clear, verbally, what he thinks about kids leaving for the CHL. Didn't he head a *MHSL coaches board that was all about thwarting kids from leaving...?

How can the HSL be ok with this punishment and then welcome the same kids back for HSL titled section teams? Again, the only reason he was kicked off was because it was a CHL team. Fact.

It's all very moronic

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:48 pm

WCHBlog wrote:So is the argument in this thread that the system is too political and the best kids don't make it through, or that certain kids shouldn't make it through because they chose to play for the "wrong" team? Because those two ideas would seem to be mutually exclusive.

Yes, and Yes...but let's just follow along as this topic gets started. A few new names added but the same old system intervening. Development for Minnesota's high performance players is great, lets see how people want to interfere with the current process...and call out kids participating. Oops, sorry, Legit!!!!!!! players.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:49 am

The MSHSL has rules , individual schools enforce the MSHSL rules, outside of league rules individual schools and teams can and often do have additional rules and policies outside of the minimum rules the MSHSL has.

The Baer kid had nothing, NOTHING, to do with the MSHSL. Quit trying to equate the two. It was entirely a Benilde issue. This wasn't like the WBL kid (?) that went to Wisconsin and played before trying to return and being ruled ineligable by the MSHSL for transfer issues.

observer · Post by **observer** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:04 am

Another interesting distinction is that Baer did play for Benilde this season. Walker did not play for Edina this year and instead left Edina and played in the WHL. Both are recognized as top Minnesota 97 players yet one gets in the Advanced process and one doesn't. What's the criteria? Who lobbied for Walker's inclusion? Giles? Who lobbied for Baer's exclusion? Frankly, in my opinion, Baer should be in and Walker not. Or, certainly if Walker is in Baer should be included for the same reason. That means someone said Baer shouldn't be included. Who and why? Who's making the decision? We've heard not the MSHSL? Not the coaches? USA Hockey uses WHL players in tourneys (Seth Jones and Keegan Iverson to name a couple) so why would USA Hockey exclude Baer. A top Minnesota 97 without consideration where he played this last season seems to have been used in Walker's case. Someone interfered with the process. Not fair.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:08 am

goldy313 wrote:The MSHSL has rules , individual schools enforce the MSHSL rules, outside of league rules individual schools and teams can and often do have additional rules and policies outside of the minimum rules the MSHSL has.

The Baer kid had nothing, NOTHING, to do with the MSHSL. Quit trying to equate the two. It was entirely a Benilde issue. This wasn't like the WBL kid (?) that went to Wisconsin and played before trying to return and being ruled ineligable by the MSHSL for transfer issues.

So a kid can be kicked off a team for sneezing and the HSL has no rules in place to defend the kid? There's rules against possibly trying to improve your situation? A St. Louis Park kid can be kicked off of his team for going to look at a prep school for his senior season?

The Baer kid has EVERYTHING to do with it if the HSL allows them to be kicked out for looking but then takes them back in for the Advanced program....... USA Hockey needs to seperate this system from the HSL, or it should just be for HSL kids.

You'll be seeing a lot more kids heading to Canada if they can head there and then come back and play with their buddies at the end of the season. Yes, I know, It's all very moronic.

It should be very easy to see........

Nuts&Bolts · Post by **Nuts&Bolts** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:44 am

Don't HS coaches primarily drive the nomination process? Let's hope for a response from somebody more in the know based on what Observer outlined.

Maybe it's as simple as Giles not holding a grudge when he received the request on JW(96) and Pauly, well, not so much with AB(97). No harm to Giles - looks like a nice guy that has let go of the past by nominating a former Edina kid that isn't eligible for HS hockey thereby taking away a spot on the 20 player roster from another HS kid in the section. Love to see the political stuff happen in the nomination process BEFORE the real wheeling and dealing starts with some players picked based on their name, coach, where they play, parent involvement or ownership of a black Reebok jacket, etc.

OU812 · Post by **OU812** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:14 pm

HP 17

Sec 1

G Jonathon Berkel Lourdes
G Paul Hummel Northfield
D Logan von Ruden Northfield
D Brandon Zajicek SSM
D Jack McNeeley Lakeville North
D Griffin Slightham Lourdes
D Adam Maxfield Austin
D Jake Klein New Prague
F Chase Phelps SSM
F Kevin Dineen SSM
F Derek Frentz Mankato West
F Zach Erickson Mankato West
F Patrick Lauderdale Lakeville South
F Nate Scofield Northfield
F Nick Poehling Lakeville North
F Jack Poehling Lakeville North
F Hayden Ashworth Roch Century
F Tanner Dufault Dodge County
F Connor Hyden Lakeville North
F Soren Colstrup Owatonna

Wasilla · Post by **Wasilla** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:26 pm

observer wrote:Someone interfered with the process. Not fair.

What percentage of the time are things "fair" in hockey?

Post by **karl(east)** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:45 am

To clear up the Walker/Baer/WHL players debate:

Per MN Hockey policy, players who made the previous year's national camp automatically make the section team the following year, as long as they show up at the tryout. Walker, obviously, showed up. Baer, for whatever reason, did not.

As they both made the national camp last year, their former HS coaches (and the MSHSL) had no input into the matter.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:38 pm

karl(east) wrote:To clear up the Walker/Baer/WHL players debate:

Per MN Hockey policy, players who made the previous year's national camp automatically make the section team the following year, as long as they show up at the tryout. Walker, obviously, showed up. Baer, for whatever reason, did not.

As they both made the national camp last year, their former HS coaches (and the MSHSL) had no input into the matter.

Now our BEST will be able head to the CHL and then have a FREE PASS (they can laugh at their old coach) back to the HSL "section teams" to play with their buddies.

Is this really true?

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:38 pm

What is taking so long to announce section 7? GEEEEZ...

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:08 am

karl(east) wrote:To clear up the Walker/Baer/WHL players debate:

Per MN Hockey policy, players who made the previous year's national camp automatically make the section team the following year, as long as they show up at the tryout. Walker, obviously, showed up. Baer, for whatever reason, did not.

As they both made the national camp last year, their former HS coaches (and the MSHSL) had no input into the matter.

Seriously Karl, you didn't just post that. If you didn't make the first cut of HP15 start looking at....well....nothing. Who has the best Lacrosse program in the Twin Cities?

Mailman · Post by **Mailman** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:57 am

kniven wrote:What is taking so long to announce section 7? GEEEEZ...

Have to see how many CHL and where ever else kids want to take spots first

Mailman · Post by **Mailman** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:58 am

karl(east) wrote:To clear up the Walker/Baer/WHL players debate:

Per MN Hockey policy, players who made the previous year's national camp automatically make the section team the following year, as long as they show up at the tryout. Walker, obviously, showed up. Baer, for whatever reason, did not.

As they both made the national camp last year, their former HS coaches (and the MSHSL) had no input into the matter.

Thanks for the info. Karl.

Hockey North · Post by **Hockey North** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:08 am

They are up now

G - Chase Perry - Andover
G - Alex Murray - Duluth Marshall
D - Nick Thompson - Duluth Denfeld
D - Kyle Jones - Duluth Marshall
D - Jordan Fralich - Duluth Marshall
D - Dalton Johnson - Cloquet
D - Blake Hillman - Elk River
D - Tyler Vold - Andover
F - Cam McClure - Duluth Marshall
F - Jack Dodd - Duluth Marshall
F - Kyler Chartier - Duluth East
F - Derek Farrell - Duluth Marshall
F - Andrew Zerban - Elk River
F - Jacob Jaremko - Elk River
F - Daulton Anderson - Grand Rapids
F - Ty Birdsall - Hibbing
F - Weston Kilpela - Forest Lake
F - Alex Egle - Forest Lake
F - Kyle Wagner - St Francis
F - Chase Springman - Elk River

SuperStar · Post by **SuperStar** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:27 pm

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:07 pm

Not sure who picks these teams? How can Marshall have six kids on this team? They should run the table next year even if they went AA. Where is the Grand Rapids goalie and the Elk River goalie? Perry had a very poor junior season. Did anyone show up from the South?

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:44 pm

Congrats to the FL kids. Good job !! I would have thought The goalie from Rapids was a lock !!

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:03 pm

Did he even try out?

OU812 · Post by **OU812** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:31 pm

Hockey North wrote:They are up now

G - Chase Perry - Andover
G - Alex Murray - Duluth Marshall
D - Nick Thompson - Duluth Denfeld
D - Kyle Jones - Duluth Marshall
D - Jordan Fralich - Duluth Marshall
D - Dalton Johnson - Cloquet
D - Blake Hillman - Elk River
D - Tyler Vold - Andover
F - Cam McClure - Duluth Marshall
F - Jack Dodd - Duluth Marshall
F - Kyler Chartier - Duluth East
F - Derek Farrell - Duluth Marshall
F - Andrew Zerban - Elk River
F - Jacob Jaremko - Elk River
F - Daulton Anderson - Grand Rapids
F - Ty Birdsall - Hibbing
F - Weston Kilpela - Forest Lake
F - Alex Egle - Forest Lake
F - Kyle Wagner - St Francis
F - Chase Springman - Elk River

Six kids from Marshall but only one each from Duluth East and Denfield? Is that about right, or did some kids not try out?

The Insider · Post by **The Insider** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:59 pm

OU812 wrote:
Hockey North wrote:They are up now

G - Chase Perry - Andover
G - Alex Murray - Duluth Marshall
D - Nick Thompson - Duluth Denfeld
D - Kyle Jones - Duluth Marshall
D - Jordan Fralich - Duluth Marshall
D - Dalton Johnson - Cloquet
D - Blake Hillman - Elk River
D - Tyler Vold - Andover
F - Cam McClure - Duluth Marshall
F - Jack Dodd - Duluth Marshall
F - Kyler Chartier - Duluth East
F - Derek Farrell - Duluth Marshall
F - Andrew Zerban - Elk River
F - Jacob Jaremko - Elk River
F - Daulton Anderson - Grand Rapids
F - Ty Birdsall - Hibbing
F - Weston Kilpela - Forest Lake
F - Alex Egle - Forest Lake
F - Kyle Wagner - St Francis
F - Chase Springman - Elk River
Six kids from Marshall but only one each from Duluth East and Denfield? Is that about right, or did some kids not try out?

Yes, I think 1 or 2 of those Marshall kids played in the East Youth program though. Future looks bright for Marshall.

Post by **karl(east)** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:15 pm

Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Seriously Karl, you didn't just post that.

Don't shoot the messenger...

The Insider wrote:Six kids from Marshall but only one each from Duluth East and Denfield? Is that about right, or did some kids not try out?

Yes, I think 1 or 2 of those Marshall kids played in the East Youth program though. Future looks bright for Marshall.

For a Class A squad, Marshall will be loaded for the next few years. (Of their 6 listed players, I believe there are 2 each from the East, Denfeld, and Silver Bay youth programs.)

I'm actually pleasantly surprised Chartier made it from East. He missed most of the HS season with concussion issues, and I think there was even some doubt as to whether he'd skate again.