Warroad (15-2-1) @ Duluth Marshall (11-6-1) 1-24-14 7pm

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Who wins?

Poll ended at Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:23 am

Duluth Marshall
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Warroad
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64%
 
Total votes: 22

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Warroad (15-2-1) @ Duluth Marshall (11-6-1) 1-24-14 7pm

Post by HShockeywatcher » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:23 am

A Marshall team that has some really good wins recently hosts a Warroad team that hasn't lost their last 12 games. Should be a great game at MARS on Friday.

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Post by ted2you » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:47 pm

I like Warroad, but it should be an excellent game.

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Post by karl(east) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:16 pm

Warroad wins 5-2 with 2 empty-netters.

Fun game. Marshall might be the deepest team in Class A (or, at least, use the deepest lineup of anyone out there.) They had a comfortable edge in shots in this one. But, like all the Duluth schools this year, they lack any front-end finishers.

Still...while Warroad's top line gets all the recognition, I think they deserve a lot of credit for their defense. They have 4 pretty good defensemen, and their goalie played well also. This is a well-coached squad that knows its strengths and plays to them, and they withstood the Marshall pressure very well in this one. Their big guns were blanketed all night, but some of their less-heralded players came up big when they needed to. They aren't going to dominate the other top teams in Class A, but if they stick to their formula, they'll be tough to beat.

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Post by notTONIGHT » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:22 pm

Is Marshall running four lines? How deep are we talking?

To keep that top line off the board until the empty net, must have taken a herculean effort.

Especially to roll over Warroad in terms of Shots on net.

This year is wide open!

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Post by warriors41 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:31 pm

The box score says the Bethune had a 5 minute major for contact to the head. Did anyone see if it was a bad penalty or just one of those unfortunate incidents that happen?

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Post by karl(east) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:44 pm

warriors41 wrote:The box score says the Bethune had a 5 minute major for contact to the head. Did anyone see if it was a bad penalty or just one of those unfortunate incidents that happen?
I don't think it was intentional, but it was head contact. It was consistent with they way they call that nowadays.

Marshall scored both of their goals on that major penalty.

Marshall wasn't rolling 4 lines, but due to a misconduct penalty they were forced to play 3+, and they were playing 5-6 defensemen, too. Not much of a dropoff when the lower lines are on. Just not much in the way of top-end talent (yet, at least...some of the younger kids may get there someday).

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Post by TTpuckster » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:13 pm

karl(east) wrote:
warriors41 wrote:The box score says the Bethune had a 5 minute major for contact to the head. Did anyone see if it was a bad penalty or just one of those unfortunate incidents that happen?
I don't think it was intentional, but it was head contact. It was consistent with they way they call that nowadays.

Marshall scored both of their goals on that major penalty.

Marshall wasn't rolling 4 lines, but due to a misconduct penalty they were forced to play 3+, and they were playing 5-6 defensemen, too. Not much of a dropoff when the lower lines are on. Just not much in the way of top-end talent (yet, at least...some of the younger kids may get there someday).
Marshall has definately been an egnima this year. Just don't know what team will show up an any given nightl
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Post by puckbreath » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:14 pm

I don't believe Marshal's starting goalie played either...........anyone confirm ?

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Post by karl(east) » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:16 pm

puckbreath wrote:I don't believe Marshal's starting goalie played either...........anyone confirm ?
Correct, though the backup played very well. Goaltending wasn't their problem tonight.

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Post by puckbreath » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:32 pm

karl(east) wrote:
puckbreath wrote:I don't believe Marshal's starting goalie played either...........anyone confirm ?
Correct, though the backup played very well. Goaltending wasn't their problem tonight.
Thanks.

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Post by bemused » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:40 pm

Had to laugh at the Flub story..both goalies and the hero of the game are all from somewhere else..

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Post by Hockey North » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:06 am

Saw the 5 min major call as it happened right in front of me was an intentional butt end to the head. Warroad should have had another 5 when their player left his feet to blindside check a DM player. They got a 2 min roughing for that. Not to mention that DM played without their top scorer for 12 min of the second period and lost another top F to that cheap blindside hit to the head. Result was a concussion. . They also played the whole game without another key Senior F due to disiplinary reasons. DM dominated play and their D shut down Warroad. Warroad goalie played great and Warroad got out of the building with a win. DM rolled 3 lines and even their 4th. To only allow 16 shots and shut down this top scoring line says a lot. All 3 lines played right with them and at times dominated. A lot of the play last night was in the Warroad end.

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Post by TheInsider » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:10 am

karl(east) wrote:
warriors41 wrote:The box score says the Bethune had a 5 minute major for contact to the head. Did anyone see if it was a bad penalty or just one of those unfortunate incidents that happen?
I don't think it was intentional, but it was head contact. It was consistent with they way they call that nowadays.

Marshall scored both of their goals on that major penalty.

Marshall wasn't rolling 4 lines, but due to a misconduct penalty they were forced to play 3+, and they were playing 5-6 defensemen, too. Not much of a dropoff when the lower lines are on. Just not much in the way of top-end talent (yet, at least...some of the younger kids may get there someday).
Marshall did roll four lines for much of the game.

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Post by Froggy Richards » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:11 am

TheInsider wrote:
karl(east) wrote:
warriors41 wrote:The box score says the Bethune had a 5 minute major for contact to the head. Did anyone see if it was a bad penalty or just one of those unfortunate incidents that happen?
I don't think it was intentional, but it was head contact. It was consistent with they way they call that nowadays.

Marshall scored both of their goals on that major penalty.

Marshall wasn't rolling 4 lines, but due to a misconduct penalty they were forced to play 3+, and they were playing 5-6 defensemen, too. Not much of a dropoff when the lower lines are on. Just not much in the way of top-end talent (yet, at least...some of the younger kids may get there someday).
Marshall did roll four lines for much of the game.
I'm kind of surprised that a team would roll 4 lines in a big game like that. With as good of shape as these kids should be in, two lines is more than enough rest between shifts.

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Post by mn miracle man » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:52 am

Hockey North wrote:Saw the 5 min major call as it happened right in front of me was an intentional butt end to the head. Warroad should have had another 5 when their player left his feet to blindside check a DM player. They got a 2 min roughing for that. Not to mention that DM played without their top scorer for 12 min of the second period and lost another top F to that cheap blindside hit to the head. Result was a concussion. . They also played the whole game without another key Senior F due to disiplinary reasons. DM dominated play and their D shut down Warroad. Warroad goalie played great and Warroad got out of the building with a win. DM rolled 3 lines and even their 4th. To only allow 16 shots and shut down this top scoring line says a lot. All 3 lines played right with them and at times dominated. A lot of the play last night was in the Warroad end.
All I see is bitterness and excuses...

I doubt a player would intentionally attempt to "butt-end" a player while making a hit, seems a bit excessive.

The hit at center ice honestly could have gone either way in my opinion. I can see where it seemed like Nelson may have left his feet a bit, but it didn't help that the other player (much smaller as well) had his head completely down with the puck which always make hits such as these look worse than they appear.

Either way, this was a great game to watch, great pace and some pretty good chances throughout by both squads.

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Post by Deathblow » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:12 pm

mn miracle man wrote:
The hit at center ice honestly could have gone either way in my opinion. I can see where it seemed like Nelson may have left his feet a bit, but it didn't help that the other player (much smaller as well) had his head completely down with the puck which always make hits such as these look worse than they appear.
For what it's worth, Nelson has a history of big, albeit questionable, hits in open ice...
One that knocked Logan Engelstad out of the section semi finals, and one on Nick Ranten, in the section finals...

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Post by karl(east) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:58 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:I'm kind of surprised that a team would roll 4 lines in a big game like that. With as good of shape as these kids should be in, two lines is more than enough rest between shifts.
Well, when you play a team that's known for being very thin, it's not uncommon for coaches to try to win a war of attrition. Sure, two lines' worth of rest is probably enough, but if you can give everyone even more rest while the other team is riding that top line, you can be even more fresh near the end of the game.

If you have the players to do it (and don't have angry parents who will yell at you for not giving their top-end player more ice time), it's a sensible strategy. Just didn't work for Marshall.

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Post by Hockey North » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:56 pm

I guess Mn Miracle man was at the concession stand eating hotdogs.

Also, the league instated a new rule about hitting a defenseless player and typically hits like this draw 5 min major. He was looking back to catch a pass. He wasn't skating with his head down like you say. :roll:

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Post by mn miracle man » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:03 pm

Hockey North wrote:I guess Mn Miracle man was at the concession stand eating hotdogs.

Also, the league instated a new rule about hitting a defenseless player and typically hits like this draw 5 min major. He was looking back to catch a pass. He wasn't skating with his head down like you say. :roll:
Nope, no concession stand for this guy, watched the whole game. Funny you say he was defenseless looking back when he was hit like he was still waiting for the puck or something. The hit was made as the puck was going "through" his stick, hence head down trying to receive the pass, and Nelson had the hit timed well (albeit leaving his feet a bit). No worries though, the ref made up for the "non-call" with the "butt-end" major call instead.

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Post by Hockey North » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:18 pm

Well what you just described is a 5 min major. At least we agree on that. 8)

It wasn't a non-call as you say, they gave him a 2 min roughing, so there was nothing to make up for.

The other 5 min major was called (and deserved) and seen by everyone except you in the far end of the arena to the left of the DM bench. Cheap hit to the head. Kid came off the ice bleeding from the mouth.

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Post by puckbreath » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:31 pm

karl(east) wrote:
Froggy Richards wrote:I'm kind of surprised that a team would roll 4 lines in a big game like that. With as good of shape as these kids should be in, two lines is more than enough rest between shifts.
Well, when you play a team that's known for being very thin, it's not uncommon for coaches to try to win a war of attrition. Sure, two lines' worth of rest is probably enough, but if you can give everyone even more rest while the other team is riding that top line, you can be even more fresh near the end of the game.

If you have the players to do it (and don't have angry parents who will yell at you for not giving their top-end player more ice time), it's a sensible strategy. Just didn't work for Marshall.
Coaches also do this, with later in the season in mind, with the mindset of getting such kids the experience now, that'll hopefully pay off later.

This is especially common with smaller programs.

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Post by puckbreath » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:33 pm

mn miracle man wrote:
Hockey North wrote:I guess Mn Miracle man was at the concession stand eating hotdogs.

Also, the league instated a new rule about hitting a defenseless player and typically hits like this draw 5 min major. He was looking back to catch a pass. He wasn't skating with his head down like you say. :roll:
Nope, no concession stand for this guy, watched the whole game. Funny you say he was defenseless looking back when he was hit like he was still waiting for the puck or something. The hit was made as the puck was going "through" his stick, hence head down trying to receive the pass, and Nelson had the hit timed well (albeit leaving his feet a bit). No worries though, the ref made up for the "non-call" with the "butt-end" major call instead.
Leaving the feet is about par for this kid's track record.

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Post by Hockeylogger » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:09 am

Didn't see the games this weekend but can comment on the Nelson hits last year in the play offs. Neither were dirty or questionable, when you cut thru the middle of the ice with your head down you are asking for trouble. Had a number of TRF people even admit that it was a clean hit just unfortunate that he was injured.

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Post by upnorth11 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:53 am

I think no one would disagree Englestad's head was down as he came in to shoot the puck - but I have seen the tape of the game -- Nelsons arms are up high and hit him and followed through at his head. He was knocked out before he even hit the ice. No other part of his body was hit by Nelson - just at the head. Dirty hit and known Nelson is known for it. Same thing in the EGF game in the finals.

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Post by puckbreath » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:49 am

Hockeylogger wrote:Didn't see the games this weekend but can comment on the Nelson hits last year in the play offs. Neither were dirty or questionable, when you cut thru the middle of the ice with your head down you are asking for trouble. Had a number of TRF people even admit that it was a clean hit just unfortunate that he was injured.
How does one get a severe concussion, without a hit to the head ?

(as said, he was out before he hit the ice)

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