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2014 NHL Draft - Any MN Kids?

Post by nahc » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:40 am

Any thoughts on who may be selected and what round this may occur? I know there are scouting reports out there but wanted the real story!!!

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Re: 2014 NHL Draft - Any MN Kids?

Post by The Exiled One » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:55 am

nahc wrote:Any thoughts on who may be selected and what round this may occur? I know there are scouting reports out there but wanted the real story!!!
Since nobody but the GM's know who they're going to draft, and the GM's don't know who the other GM"S will be drafting, you're not going to get any better insight than what you've already read. That being said, SBN has a series of articles on NHL draft prospects including a few Minnesota boys that you may not have seen yet:

Jack Glover - middle of the 2nd round
Ryan Collins - 2nd to 4th round
Jack Dougherty - 1st to 2nd round
Shane Gersich - 6th to undrafted
Steven Spinner - 4th to 6th round
CJ Franklin - late round flyer
Miguel Fidler - late round or undrafted
Austin Poganski - late round
Tyler Sheehy - 5th to 7th round
Luc Snuggerud - 3rd round
Chase Perry - 5th to 7th round
Tyler Nanne - 4th to 6th round
Mitch Slattery - 3rd to 5th round
Nick Wolff - 4th to 5th round

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Post by SuperStar » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:40 pm

I think Dougherty and Glover go in the 1st round.

Snuggerud & Collins in the 2nd

I think Malmquist will go in the draft as well - 4th/5th round.

Zach Yon and Slattery go late rounds...Along with Kuhlman

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Post by green4 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:36 pm

Cool article on the Eden Prairie Duo
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=722937

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Post by mulefarm » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:52 am

No Mn kids taken in the first round. Hope things improve today.

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Post by SuperStar » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:12 am

SuperStar wrote:I think Dougherty and Glover go in the 1st round.

Snuggerud & Collins in the 2nd

I think Malmquist will go in the draft as well - 4th/5th round.

Zach Yon and Slattery go late rounds...Along with Kuhlman
I will stick to my day job....yikes..

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Post by Vapor » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:21 pm

Congrats to the Mn kids taken in today's draft. Some VERY good talent not taken however IMO. Kuhlman, Wolfe, Slattery, Yon, Malmquist & Sheehy some notables not picked. Would guess they have good chance on being potential high picks in 2015.

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Post by WestMetro » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:25 pm

A couple perspectives on the issue of U18s leaving for Juniors, Vs Stay in High School

1) Sheehy leaves early, misses draft. Who knows if he had stayed at BV
and maybe won State tourney? On the other hand, by leaving he
opened up more playing time for Rossini.

2) No one had Fidler on radar screen last fall. The kid playd HUGE in his
senior year, and goes in the 5th round. A related irony is perhaps he
would not have gotten the senior year playing time if Connor Hurley
hadn't left early the year before.

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Post by thespellchecker » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:34 pm

WestMetro wrote:A couple perspectives on the issue of U18s leaving for Juniors, Vs Stay in High School

1) Sheehy leaves early,, by leaving he
opened up more playing time for Rossini.
:roll:

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Post by observer » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:54 pm

Round Overall Player Last Team

2 47 Ryan Collins NTDP USHL
2 51 Jack Dougherty NTDP USHL
3 69 Jack Glover NTDP USHL
3 85 Keegan Iverson Portland WHL
4 110 Austin Poganski Tri-City USHL
4 120 Steven Johnson Omaha USHL
5 129 CJ Franklin Sioux Falls USHL
5 134 Shane Gersich NTDP USHL
5 136 Chase Perry Wenatchee NAHL
5 141 Luc Snuggerud Eden Prairie HS
5 142 Tyler Nanne Edina HS
5 143 Miguel Fidler Edina HS
6 153 Tyler Vessel Omaha USHL
6 159 Steven Spinner Eden Prairie HS
7 208 Jack Ramsey Penticton BCHL

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Post by greybeard58 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:04 am

Minn up 2 from last year, but only 4 out of 15 were high school players looks like the parents of the other 11 made the right choice. Below is a breakdown by state and Canada and Europe. Minn has more registered players than Sweden

DRAFT 2014 % US
MINN. 15 22.39%
MICH 9 13.43%
MASS 10 14.93%
N.Y. 6 8.96%
N.H. 2 2.99%
CAL. 3 4.48%
ALASKA 0 0.00%
GA. 0 0.00%
ARIZ 0 0.00%
CO. 2 2.99%
N.J. 3 4.48%
IND. 0 0.00%
ILL. 4 5.97%
MD 0 0.00%
MO 2 2.99%
ME 0 0.00%
WIS. 3 4.48%
OHIO 3 4.48%
PA. 1 1.49%
CT 1 1.49%
NC 0 0.00%
VA 0 0.00%
RI. 0 0.00%
SD 0 0.00%
ND 1 1.49%
IDAHO 0 0.00%
OK 0 0.00%
NEV 0 0.00%
ALA 0 0.00%
UT 0 0.00%
FL 1 1.49%
WASH 0 0.00%
IOWA 0 0.00%
MT 0 0.00%
DE 1 1.49%
TEX 0 0.00%
TOTAL 67 100.00%


CANADA 77
EUROPE 65

SWEDEN 27
RUSSIA 13
FINLAND 9
CHECK 9

TOTAL 2000-2014 U.S.
NHL DRAFT TOTAL
%
MINN. 203 23.74%
MASS 100 11.70%
MICH 101 11.81%
N.Y. 83 9.71%
ILL. 47 5.50%
CAL. 41 4.80%
WIS. 32 3.74%
PA. 30 3.51%
N.J. 26 3.04%
CT 35 4.09%
OHIO 19 2.22%
ND 12 1.40%
N.H. 15 1.75%
CO. 17 1.99%
ME 9 1.05%
MO 15 1.75%
ALASKA 9 1.05%
IND. 4 0.47%
RI. 4 0.47%
GA. 5 0.58%
MD 3 0.35%
WASH 3 0.35%
ARIZ 5 0.58%
NC 3 0.35%
OR 1 0.12%
IDAHO 1 0.12%
WASH D.C. 1 0.12%
TEX 11 1.29%
ALA. 1 0.12%
IOWA 2 0.23%
MONT 1 0.12%
S.CAR 0.00%
TENN. 0.00%
UTAH 3 0.35%
VERMONT 0.00%
VIRGINIA 1 0.12%
W.VA 0.00%
NEV. 1 0.12%
NEB 0.00%
FLA. 9 1.05%
DE 1 0.12%
S.D 0.00%
OK 1 0.12%
TOTALS 855 100%

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Post by almostashappy » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:33 am

greybeard58 wrote:Minn up 2 from last year, but only 4 out of 15 were high school players looks like the parents of the other 11 made the right choice.
Faulty logic to support a preconceived conclusion.

If you wanted to start to make a reasonable analysis, you would need to:

1) count up the number of kids who left early for juniors or Ann Arbor but didn't get drafted,

2) estimate the number of kids who might have gotten drafted had they left early rather than stay in high school, and

3) estimate how many of the kids who did leave early would have still gotten drafted had they stayed with their high school team.
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Post by MrBoDangles » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:05 am

Kids were getting drafted higher by staying in MN high school. What was once one of the BEST places to find top talent, is now only a blip on the radar.

Keegan Iverson had to wait his turn to show anything against a bunch of twenty year olds.... He could have developed as a star right here and been heralded as one of the most storied high schoolers ever. I would bet the farm he would have been a first rounder..

Didn't we just have three first rounders in 2010-11? They seem to be doing great....

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Post by WestMetro » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:32 am

Almost As Happy


Correct with your logical sequence of the questions! But such an analysis must also include the additional sequential dynamic of the slots opened up by kids departing early, thereby giving kids who were waiting in the wings like Fidler a chance to excel in his senior year. Would he have had such a good senior year if Hurley had still been there?

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Post by Lazy Scout » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:35 am

Too many what ifs......... what if Hurley stayed and played on the same line as Fidler? Fidler may have even had a bigger senior year than he did.

210 players were drafted covering 5 continents. When you look at the likely hood of any Minnesotans making it is hard to do. The fact that two were drafted right from Edina High School is pretty dang good.

There were some who left who were not drafted at all, aka Zerban, Cass, Sheehy, etc.

Let those players who think they are in the show or too good for Minnesota High School hockey leave, gives others a chance to shine. No one even will remember them once they leave to chase their dream.

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Post by SuperStar » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:17 pm

Lazy Scout wrote:Too many what ifs......... what if Hurley stayed and played on the same line as Fidler? Fidler may have even had a bigger senior year than he did.

210 players were drafted covering 5 continents. When you look at the likely hood of any Minnesotans making it is hard to do. The fact that two were drafted right from Edina High School is pretty dang good.

There were some who left who were not drafted at all, aka Zerban, Cass, Sheehy, etc.

Let those players who think they are in the show or too good for Minnesota High School hockey leave, gives others a chance to shine. No one even will remember them once they leave to chase their dream.

There were 4 players that played/stayed all the way through their Senior year - played Elite League as well. 4 who got picked in the NHL draft this year..

I think it was 4/5 last year - that played and stayed all the way through. Elite league and High School.

8 total in 2 years that stayed and played elite league and High School hockey all the way through there Senior year. I think that horrendously bad. Kids leaving in record numbers the past couple season and I don't see that changing.

Not counting MN born kids who left for Juniors. If our "great" Elite League and MN High School league can only produce 4 guys that get drafted - I think we have serious issues.

Goalies are even worse. Only 1 in the last 5 years years that stayed all the way through and got drafted.. I think that was Gothberg. Maybe our expectations are too high...cause with all these kids leaving the future looks bleak for Minnesotans that STAY all the way through...Elite League and High School Season - Not sure I can think of it any other way.

Is the Elite league/High School season model working or getting worse....? We are great at producing Junior and College players, no doubt. But since this thread is about the NHL draft - I think we get a big fat F...For dismal failure for producing NHL draft picks.

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Post by observer » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:08 pm

Every one played high school hockey.

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Post by Bonin2121 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:59 pm

observer wrote:Every one played high school hockey.
Tyler Vesel didn't.

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Post by SuperStar » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:33 pm

observer wrote:Every one played high school hockey.
They didn't develop by staying. They developed by leaving.

I am talking about our system as whole for players that stay all the way through - And as far as the NHL draft, in my opinion, we are failing big time. It's embarrassing.

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Post by WestMetro » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:50 pm

Gets back to the often debated topic of what are the overall goals and objectives of the high school system, and for which caliber of athletes benefit? And depending on your view, what if anything should be done to change things?

So far there are only 7 early departures on Exiled Ones list, we will see if that jumps up to 40 again by the end of August. Are parents and kids rethinking things compared to last couple years, or will the floodgates open soon.

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Post by puckbreath » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:22 pm

Lazy Scout wrote:Too many what ifs......... what if Hurley stayed and played on the same line as Fidler? Fidler may have even had a bigger senior year than he did.

210 players were drafted covering 5 continents. When you look at the likely hood of any Minnesotans making it is hard to do. The fact that two were drafted right from Edina High School is pretty dang good.

There were some who left who were not drafted at all, aka Zerban, Cass, Sheehy, etc.

Let those players who think they are in the show or too good for Minnesota High School hockey leave, gives others a chance to shine. No one even will remember them once they leave to chase their dream.
Right on. =D>

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Post by Gopher Blog » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:25 pm

Lazy Scout wrote:Let those players who think they are in the show or too good for Minnesota High School hockey leave, gives others a chance to shine. No one even will remember them once they leave to chase their dream.
A rather simplistic and laughable way to look at things. There have been plenty of guys that have had successful journeys to college and the pros by leaving HS early. That doesn't mean every kid should do it but let's not be ridiculous.

Everybody seems to get locked into this juvenile way of looking at things as if there is only one "right way" to handle things. Too many people ignore the reality that there is no one "right way". You need to judge on a case by case basis.

You mentioned Sheehy as an example. Well, he had an excellent year in the USHL. If anything, he probably improved his stock by having proved himself against superior competition compared to what he would have faced in HS. His big issue is he simply doesn't possess that coveted NHL size/frame... which would have been held against him no matter where he played. If he's going to make it, he will have to prove himself in college and earn a free agent deal somewhere. Which ultimately might be better off for him.

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Post by SuperStar » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:16 pm

WestMetro wrote:Gets back to the often debated topic of what are the overall goals and objectives of the high school system, and for which caliber of athletes benefit? And depending on your view, what if anything should be done to change things?

So far there are only 7 early departures on Exiled Ones list, we will see if that jumps up to 40 again by the end of August. Are parents and kids rethinking things compared to last couple years, or will the floodgates open soon.
Good question. That I don't know. But I think it will around 25/30 range.

Change things? Well, The before and after leagues are a good thing - The elite league does provide more games, against the same players they play in high school and with the same high school coaches. (with the Shattuck exception) But it doesn't provided alot development - players show up and drop the puck and play. Cool. But hardly any practice, skill development - and again, playing against the same caliber of players for a extra 18 games doesn't really improve a player - and then having a so-called NIT with 50% of teams being Bantam Level caliber..? Do you really think NHL guys are impressed by smashing a crappy team from Michigan 10-0 in a NIT? Do they really want to watch they same 2 MN teams play each other, again for some championship game? I wouldn't! The elite league has turned into a glorified High School House league.

Solution? Not sure if this would work, but have 8/9 teams (like the elite league) and play against all Junior level competition. Need to raise the bar and play against older, bigger, stronger, faster players. NTDP does that - U17/U18's playing in a U20 league (USHL). The NTDP could easily expand on what the got as well. Having at at least 5 regional teams across the country, but anyways I think you see my point. It would have to be a private endeavor - ZERO high school coaches and influence.

I bet playing 1 year in the USHL or NAHL is easily equal to 2 yrs of High School/Elite League in terms of development. And if somehow we could expand the before and after and play all Junior level (USHL or NAHL caliber) competition. I think you would see a lot more MN guys getting drafted..and maybe even staying home..? Wouldn't have to leave to develop faster.

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Post by WestMetro » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:00 pm

I tend to agree this years Early Departure total will be down from last year.

Regarding the NHL draft.....

Interesting that US born draftees are just about closing the gap on Canadian borns and about even with European borns. And Minn still is 50% more US born draftees than the next closest states.

Given only 4 million population in the state, what is the definition of success Minn Youth Hockey should ultimately be pursuing , i.e

1) % of all new NHL draftees from MN
2) % of all US born NHL active players from MN
3) % of all world wide pro players from MN
4) % of all NCAA players from MN
5) % of all other amateur league players from MN
6) % of all Minn bantam age population that are playing hockey in Minn
7) % of all Squirts that are still playing hockey at Bantam level
8) % of top 100 high school MN underclassmen finishing out senior year.
9) % of top 100 Mn 16-18s playing hockey somewhere within the state
10) % parents saying they are happy with youth hockey regardless of
outcomes above

As a simple matter of population, SoCal and Chic will outpace MN, Mich,and Mass at some point in terms of most metrics above. Unless we start preselecting our Mites and Squirts based on 6 feet or taller parents

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