Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:12 pm
Maybe the MSHSLs bad math hurt Tonka not having a quarterfinal game. Each section should have at least 8 teams and the historically weak sections like Stats section 1AA should have 9 teams.
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You lost me there - "most over called and incorrect infraction" -- I do not believe there is a more non-subjective call in all the hockey rules kingdom. Everything else is an interpretation and very subjective. i.e. Embellishment.SuperStar wrote:Couldn't agree more.Nuts&Bolts wrote:The hand pass is the most over called and incorrectly called infraction in HS hockey and the net being hit off intentionally is the most uncalled thing.
Minneapolis. They had a rough game.Clarkkent wrote:I can count on very few fingers how many times officials have truly had a final impact on a game. The EP/HF game was one of those. Not to bash but it was just puzzling. The first coincidental penalty the EP shoved HF mask up over his nose and the HF didn't even react except for skating back to the bench. The second trip on EP where the HF kid was called for embellishment was crazy, the EP kid totally took the feet out from right under him. I was 20 feet away. The retracted goal was also a joke. They had plenty of time to call a hand pass but did not. None of the officials made the hand pass signal that I saw and the puck was bouncing around players from both teams. It was at least 7 seconds after that that HF scored. If no goal would've been scored, a hand pass would not have been called-simple. Then they call the GOAL JUDGE in who is a MINOR official and has no authority on any call other than if the puck cross the line, gets waved over for his input...WHAT?? THAT showed the complete ineptitude of these officials officiating a very big semi final game between two very good teams. In what I believe was the second period HF #22 got crossed checked with a 2-hand to the mask and the ref was looking right at it-You could hear the contact throughout the building. What referee association are they from? Then of course, EP goes on a pp 1 minute after on a neutral zone call that, based on previous call, could have been embellishment too- and 30 seconds after that EP has 6 skaters and the puck hits the skate of player coming off the ice. Easy call. So bottom line, especially if you didn't see the game in person, the refs did sadly impact this game several times over.
I was at the game to watch what I expected to be a great game. I do not have any allegiance to Hf or EP. What I saw through out the game was EP dominating HF, and a very undisciplined HF team. The HF head coach was barking at every call the ref made and was really out of control. Unfortunately the HF players fed of their coaches antics. I was really embarrassed for the HF coach, was very animated the entire game. I saw a lot of stick work by the HF team in the first period and an EP team who ignored the nonsense until midway thru the 2nd. EP started to retaliate the rest of the game. The play in particular you call out for the conincidental penalties you fail to mention the HF throwing the first punch prior to his face mask getting shove up his nose. I think taking both players was the right call...I also saw a HF player spear an EP player in the cup, and the EP player returns the favor, and the HF player giving him a 2 hand whack to the ankles. I have to be honest I do not feel HF was being screwed by the refs. All penalties a saw were legitimate, they could have called a few more on both teams but they were letting the teams play.Clarkkent wrote:I can count on very few fingers how many times officials have truly had a final impact on a game. The EP/HF game was one of those. Not to bash but it was just puzzling. The first coincidental penalty the EP shoved HF mask up over his nose and the HF didn't even react except for skating back to the bench. The second trip on EP where the HF kid was called for embellishment was crazy, the EP kid totally took the feet out from right under him. I was 20 feet away. The retracted goal was also a joke. They had plenty of time to call a hand pass but did not. None of the officials made the hand pass signal that I saw and the puck was bouncing around players from both teams. It was at least 7 seconds after that that HF scored. If no goal would've been scored, a hand pass would not have been called-simple. Then they call the GOAL JUDGE in who is a MINOR official and has no authority on any call other than if the puck cross the line, gets waved over for his input...WHAT?? THAT showed the complete ineptitude of these officials officiating a very big semi final game between two very good teams. In what I believe was the second period HF #22 got crossed checked with a 2-hand to the mask and the ref was looking right at it-You could hear the contact throughout the building. What referee association are they from? Then of course, EP goes on a pp 1 minute after on a neutral zone call that, based on previous call, could have been embellishment too- and 30 seconds after that EP has 6 skaters and the puck hits the skate of player coming off the ice. Easy call. So bottom line, especially if you didn't see the game in person, the refs did sadly impact this game several times over.
I sat on the Eden Prairie side in the first period and according the Eden Prairie fans the refs definitely were favoring Holy Family.BowlusGoon wrote:I was at the game to watch what I expected to be a great game. I do not have any allegiance to Hf or EP. What I saw through out the game was EP dominating HF, and a very undisciplined HF team. The HF head coach was barking at every call the ref made and was really out of control. Unfortunately the HF players fed of their coaches antics. I was really embarrassed for the HF coach, was very animated the entire game. I saw a lot of stick work by the HF team in the first period and an EP team who ignored the nonsense until midway thru the 2nd. EP started to retaliate the rest of the game. The play in particular you call out for the conincidental penalties you fail to mention the HF throwing the first punch prior to his face mask getting shove up his nose. I think taking both players was the right call...I also saw a HF player spear an EP player in the cup, and the EP player returns the favor, and the HF player giving him a 2 hand whack to the ankles. I have to be honest I do not feel HF was being screwed by the refs. All penalties a saw were legitimate, they could have called a few more on both teams but they were letting the teams play.Clarkkent wrote:I can count on very few fingers how many times officials have truly had a final impact on a game. The EP/HF game was one of those. Not to bash but it was just puzzling. The first coincidental penalty the EP shoved HF mask up over his nose and the HF didn't even react except for skating back to the bench. The second trip on EP where the HF kid was called for embellishment was crazy, the EP kid totally took the feet out from right under him. I was 20 feet away. The retracted goal was also a joke. They had plenty of time to call a hand pass but did not. None of the officials made the hand pass signal that I saw and the puck was bouncing around players from both teams. It was at least 7 seconds after that that HF scored. If no goal would've been scored, a hand pass would not have been called-simple. Then they call the GOAL JUDGE in who is a MINOR official and has no authority on any call other than if the puck cross the line, gets waved over for his input...WHAT?? THAT showed the complete ineptitude of these officials officiating a very big semi final game between two very good teams. In what I believe was the second period HF #22 got crossed checked with a 2-hand to the mask and the ref was looking right at it-You could hear the contact throughout the building. What referee association are they from? Then of course, EP goes on a pp 1 minute after on a neutral zone call that, based on previous call, could have been embellishment too- and 30 seconds after that EP has 6 skaters and the puck hits the skate of player coming off the ice. Easy call. So bottom line, especially if you didn't see the game in person, the refs did sadly impact this game several times over.
The hand pass was the correct call. If you want to blame anyone, blame HF . It was an another undisiplaned play by HF. Your on a power play no way do you jump up swat the puck to a teammate. That will get called every time. The puck went directly to a HF player and he gets 2 shots off. EP did not touch the puck. It was the correct call.
You also cannot assume HF would have won that game given the goal stands. Shots were 2:1 in favor of EP. HF had plenty of time to score, but HF followed the lead of their coach and played undisiplaned hockey and EP SCORES 2 times. HF finished the game with a check from behind...sorry I was not impressed with HF and I don't think they would have made it to state. EP HAS GOALIE issues, and I won't be surprised if they go down on Wednesday.
Here is the video, including the hand pass.
http://youtu.be/pL3ahS-JptY
You don't have be impressed with SOG, In most games it doesn't mean much - cause 90% of the shots are from the outside - In most High School games the SOG are inaccruate to say the least - its parents of the local rink keeping track and 99% of the time they are way off - They even counted Goals as shots on net - which they are NOT. They will count count shots that hit the pipe, Which are not SOG, etc..BowlusGoon wrote:I was at the game to watch what I expected to be a great game. I do not have any allegiance to Hf or EP. What I saw through out the game was EP dominating HF, and a very undisciplined HF team. The HF head coach was barking at every call the ref made and was really out of control. Unfortunately the HF players fed of their coaches antics. I was really embarrassed for the HF coach, was very animated the entire game. I saw a lot of stick work by the HF team in the first period and an EP team who ignored the nonsense until midway thru the 2nd. EP started to retaliate the rest of the game. The play in particular you call out for the conincidental penalties you fail to mention the HF throwing the first punch prior to his face mask getting shove up his nose. I think taking both players was the right call...I also saw a HF player spear an EP player in the cup, and the EP player returns the favor, and the HF player giving him a 2 hand whack to the ankles. I have to be honest I do not feel HF was being screwed by the refs. All penalties a saw were legitimate, they could have called a few more on both teams but they were letting the teams play.Clarkkent wrote:I can count on very few fingers how many times officials have truly had a final impact on a game. The EP/HF game was one of those. Not to bash but it was just puzzling. The first coincidental penalty the EP shoved HF mask up over his nose and the HF didn't even react except for skating back to the bench. The second trip on EP where the HF kid was called for embellishment was crazy, the EP kid totally took the feet out from right under him. I was 20 feet away. The retracted goal was also a joke. They had plenty of time to call a hand pass but did not. None of the officials made the hand pass signal that I saw and the puck was bouncing around players from both teams. It was at least 7 seconds after that that HF scored. If no goal would've been scored, a hand pass would not have been called-simple. Then they call the GOAL JUDGE in who is a MINOR official and has no authority on any call other than if the puck cross the line, gets waved over for his input...WHAT?? THAT showed the complete ineptitude of these officials officiating a very big semi final game between two very good teams. In what I believe was the second period HF #22 got crossed checked with a 2-hand to the mask and the ref was looking right at it-You could hear the contact throughout the building. What referee association are they from? Then of course, EP goes on a pp 1 minute after on a neutral zone call that, based on previous call, could have been embellishment too- and 30 seconds after that EP has 6 skaters and the puck hits the skate of player coming off the ice. Easy call. So bottom line, especially if you didn't see the game in person, the refs did sadly impact this game several times over.
The hand pass was the correct call. If you want to blame anyone, blame HF . It was an another undisiplaned play by HF. Your on a power play no way do you jump up swat the puck to a teammate. That will get called every time. The puck went directly to a HF player and he gets 2 shots off. EP did not touch the puck. It was the correct call.
You also cannot assume HF would have won that game given the goal stands. Shots were 2:1 in favor of EP. HF had plenty of time to score, but HF followed the lead of their coach and played undisiplaned hockey and EP SCORES 2 times. HF finished the game with a check from behind...sorry I was not impressed with HF and I don't think they would have made it to state. EP HAS GOALIE issues, and I won't be surprised if they go down on Wednesday.
Here is the video, including the hand pass.
http://youtu.be/pL3ahS-JptY
(b) A player or goalkeeper shall not be allowed to “bat” the puck in the air, or push it along the ice with his hand, directly to a teammate unless the “hand pass” has been initiated and completed in his defending zone, in which case play shall be allowed to continue. If the “hand pass” occurs in the neutral or attacking zone, a stoppage of play will occur and a face-off will take place according to last play face-off rules provided no territorial advantage has been gained.SuperStar wrote:You don't have be impressed with SOG, In most games it doesn't mean much - cause 90% of the shots are from the outside - In most High School games the SOG are inaccruate to say the least - its parents of the local rink keeping track and 99% of the time they are way off - They even counted Goals as shots on net - which they are NOT. They will count count shots that hit the pipe, Which are not SOG, etc..BowlusGoon wrote:I was at the game to watch what I expected to be a great game. I do not have any allegiance to Hf or EP. What I saw through out the game was EP dominating HF, and a very undisciplined HF team. The HF head coach was barking at every call the ref made and was really out of control. Unfortunately the HF players fed of their coaches antics. I was really embarrassed for the HF coach, was very animated the entire game. I saw a lot of stick work by the HF team in the first period and an EP team who ignored the nonsense until midway thru the 2nd. EP started to retaliate the rest of the game. The play in particular you call out for the conincidental penalties you fail to mention the HF throwing the first punch prior to his face mask getting shove up his nose. I think taking both players was the right call...I also saw a HF player spear an EP player in the cup, and the EP player returns the favor, and the HF player giving him a 2 hand whack to the ankles. I have to be honest I do not feel HF was being screwed by the refs. All penalties a saw were legitimate, they could have called a few more on both teams but they were letting the teams play.Clarkkent wrote:I can count on very few fingers how many times officials have truly had a final impact on a game. The EP/HF game was one of those. Not to bash but it was just puzzling. The first coincidental penalty the EP shoved HF mask up over his nose and the HF didn't even react except for skating back to the bench. The second trip on EP where the HF kid was called for embellishment was crazy, the EP kid totally took the feet out from right under him. I was 20 feet away. The retracted goal was also a joke. They had plenty of time to call a hand pass but did not. None of the officials made the hand pass signal that I saw and the puck was bouncing around players from both teams. It was at least 7 seconds after that that HF scored. If no goal would've been scored, a hand pass would not have been called-simple. Then they call the GOAL JUDGE in who is a MINOR official and has no authority on any call other than if the puck cross the line, gets waved over for his input...WHAT?? THAT showed the complete ineptitude of these officials officiating a very big semi final game between two very good teams. In what I believe was the second period HF #22 got crossed checked with a 2-hand to the mask and the ref was looking right at it-You could hear the contact throughout the building. What referee association are they from? Then of course, EP goes on a pp 1 minute after on a neutral zone call that, based on previous call, could have been embellishment too- and 30 seconds after that EP has 6 skaters and the puck hits the skate of player coming off the ice. Easy call. So bottom line, especially if you didn't see the game in person, the refs did sadly impact this game several times over.
The hand pass was the correct call. If you want to blame anyone, blame HF . It was an another undisiplaned play by HF. Your on a power play no way do you jump up swat the puck to a teammate. That will get called every time. The puck went directly to a HF player and he gets 2 shots off. EP did not touch the puck. It was the correct call.
You also cannot assume HF would have won that game given the goal stands. Shots were 2:1 in favor of EP. HF had plenty of time to score, but HF followed the lead of their coach and played undisiplaned hockey and EP SCORES 2 times. HF finished the game with a check from behind...sorry I was not impressed with HF and I don't think they would have made it to state. EP HAS GOALIE issues, and I won't be surprised if they go down on Wednesday.
Here is the video, including the hand pass.
http://youtu.be/pL3ahS-JptY
It wasn't a hand pass - VERY CLEAR on your own video..It was a puck batted down and clearly hit EP players stick - Watch number 4 for EP at go down and stick out his stick..Very clear! and then HF played the puck. Total 'rob job' by the refs - VERY CLEAR! Shots on net don't mean Sh__. Scoring chances mean everything.
Holy Family got SHAFTED in the 2nd and 3rd period with calls. - It is clear and no doubt about.. 100% absolutely no doubt.
Uhhh, yes they are. If you shoot the puck in the net, it counts as a shot on net...SuperStar wrote:They even counted Goals as shots on net - which they are NOT.
So you are basically saying the HF goalie was not as good as we thought --- nice!!! SOG overrated I guess.......SuperStar wrote:You don't have be impressed with SOG, In most games it doesn't mean much - cause 90% of the shots are from the outside - In most High School games the SOG are inaccruate to say the least - its parents of the local rink keeping track and 99% of the time they are way off - They even counted Goals as shots on net - which they are NOT. They will count count shots that hit the pipe, Which are not SOG, etc..BowlusGoon wrote:I was at the game to watch what I expected to be a great game. I do not have any allegiance to Hf or EP. What I saw through out the game was EP dominating HF, and a very undisciplined HF team. The HF head coach was barking at every call the ref made and was really out of control. Unfortunately the HF players fed of their coaches antics. I was really embarrassed for the HF coach, was very animated the entire game. I saw a lot of stick work by the HF team in the first period and an EP team who ignored the nonsense until midway thru the 2nd. EP started to retaliate the rest of the game. The play in particular you call out for the conincidental penalties you fail to mention the HF throwing the first punch prior to his face mask getting shove up his nose. I think taking both players was the right call...I also saw a HF player spear an EP player in the cup, and the EP player returns the favor, and the HF player giving him a 2 hand whack to the ankles. I have to be honest I do not feel HF was being screwed by the refs. All penalties a saw were legitimate, they could have called a few more on both teams but they were letting the teams play.Clarkkent wrote:I can count on very few fingers how many times officials have truly had a final impact on a game. The EP/HF game was one of those. Not to bash but it was just puzzling. The first coincidental penalty the EP shoved HF mask up over his nose and the HF didn't even react except for skating back to the bench. The second trip on EP where the HF kid was called for embellishment was crazy, the EP kid totally took the feet out from right under him. I was 20 feet away. The retracted goal was also a joke. They had plenty of time to call a hand pass but did not. None of the officials made the hand pass signal that I saw and the puck was bouncing around players from both teams. It was at least 7 seconds after that that HF scored. If no goal would've been scored, a hand pass would not have been called-simple. Then they call the GOAL JUDGE in who is a MINOR official and has no authority on any call other than if the puck cross the line, gets waved over for his input...WHAT?? THAT showed the complete ineptitude of these officials officiating a very big semi final game between two very good teams. In what I believe was the second period HF #22 got crossed checked with a 2-hand to the mask and the ref was looking right at it-You could hear the contact throughout the building. What referee association are they from? Then of course, EP goes on a pp 1 minute after on a neutral zone call that, based on previous call, could have been embellishment too- and 30 seconds after that EP has 6 skaters and the puck hits the skate of player coming off the ice. Easy call. So bottom line, especially if you didn't see the game in person, the refs did sadly impact this game several times over.
The hand pass was the correct call. If you want to blame anyone, blame HF . It was an another undisiplaned play by HF. Your on a power play no way do you jump up swat the puck to a teammate. That will get called every time. The puck went directly to a HF player and he gets 2 shots off. EP did not touch the puck. It was the correct call.
You also cannot assume HF would have won that game given the goal stands. Shots were 2:1 in favor of EP. HF had plenty of time to score, but HF followed the lead of their coach and played undisiplaned hockey and EP SCORES 2 times. HF finished the game with a check from behind...sorry I was not impressed with HF and I don't think they would have made it to state. EP HAS GOALIE issues, and I won't be surprised if they go down on Wednesday.
Here is the video, including the hand pass.
http://youtu.be/pL3ahS-JptY
It wasn't a hand pass - VERY CLEAR on your own video..It was a puck batted down and clearly hit EP players stick - Watch number 4 for EP at go down and stick out his stick..Very clear! and then HF played the puck. Total 'rob job' by the refs - VERY CLEAR! Shots on net don't mean Sh__. Scoring chances mean everything.
Holy Family got SHAFTED in the 2nd and 3rd period with calls. - It is clear and no doubt about.. 100% absolutely no doubt.
I lose credibility..??? Talk a walk man.hockeyguy272 wrote:Superstar's argument lost all credibility when he tried to say the people in the box mess up the shots because they think goals are shots.....
Yup.hockeyguy272 wrote:Superstar's argument lost all credibility when he tried to say the people in the box mess up the shots because they think goals are shots.....