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Post by Sparlimb » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:33 pm

Goldyismoldy wrote:
ryguyMN wrote:As far as the top 5 on Karl's list, that's how I would have ranked them too as the games concluded last night. I don't see how EP could be ranked any less than #1. They are the best team in the state right now.
They have 4 losses and 2 ties. One of their wins for the week was over a suspect Stillwater team who only had one quality win. The other is over now #6 Edina. EP went from #6 to #1. That's a stretch when teams between the two had good weeks as well.

They all have at least 1 quality win. Who has the most of Karl's top 10-15? What about the flip side, less than stellar performances? (Ties and losses outside top 15).

I'm not saying EP isn't #1. But at this point, EVERY position is arguable depending on POV.
Well when all choices are arguable, then I lean towards the top talent (and #1 player in state, no debate). That's why EP deserves #1. Stillwater isn't necessarily questionable, they are really talented. They just haven't played the schedule that's going to benefit them long term. I argued so last year and still think the same this year. There's a reason Hill schedules EP, Edina, Wayzata and Minnetonka every year. One of them is guaranteed to be a top 3 team. I don't think HM will end the year rated this high as they are a coin flip to win or lose against any top team and they still play a bunch. They could lose any of Elk River, Maple Grove, Blaine, STA or Moorhead. I suspect they'll win the rest. If they somehow win all of those, they'll be your #1 team. Hard to trust Stillwater's schedule until they play Holy Family. If they lose that, a 22-3 record won't mean much...

And I'm throwing this out there right now. Watch Tartan. They may not lose again this regular season. Not spectacular, but could upset someone at sections.
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Post by east hockey » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:34 pm

http://minnhock.com/strength.htm

From a PageStat statistical perspective, Hill Murray's schedule strength isn't that bad. 18th toughest through yesterday's games.

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Post by Goldyismoldy » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:54 pm

Sparlimb wrote:
Hard to trust Stillwater's schedule until they play Holy Family. If they lose that, a 22-3 record won't mean much...
Long way around the barn just to agree with me. :lol:

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Post by rainier » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:55 pm

east hockey wrote:http://minnhock.com/strength.htm

From a PageStat statistical perspective, Hill Murray's schedule strength isn't that bad. 18th toughest through yesterday's games.

Lee
Hey Lee,

Did something wonky happen with PageStat this week? Hermantown fell all the way to 25, and 3-16 Denfeld is the #6 Class A team, just ahead of TRF and Warroad. :?:
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Post by Goldyismoldy » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:02 pm

east hockey wrote:http://minnhock.com/strength.htm

From a PageStat statistical perspective, Hill Murray's schedule strength isn't that bad. 18th toughest through yesterday's games.

Lee
Considering their conference, Hill has come long ways.

I'm just saying the difference between the top 6-7 teams is moot. It's just that close.

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Post by elliott70 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:08 pm

rainier wrote:
east hockey wrote:http://minnhock.com/strength.htm

From a PageStat statistical perspective, Hill Murray's schedule strength isn't that bad. 18th toughest through yesterday's games.

Lee
Hey Lee,

Did something wonky happen with PageStat this week? Hermantown fell all the way to 25, and 3-16 Denfeld is the #6 Class A team, just ahead of TRF and Warroad. :?:

You are looking at SOS list.

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Post by rainier » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:16 pm

elliott70 wrote:
rainier wrote:
east hockey wrote:http://minnhock.com/strength.htm

From a PageStat statistical perspective, Hill Murray's schedule strength isn't that bad. 18th toughest through yesterday's games.

Lee
Hey Lee,

Did something wonky happen with PageStat this week? Hermantown fell all the way to 25, and 3-16 Denfeld is the #6 Class A team, just ahead of TRF and Warroad. :?:

You are looking at SOS list.
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Post by Goldyismoldy » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:21 pm

rainier wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
rainier wrote:
east hockey wrote:http://minnhock.com/strength.htm

From a PageStat statistical perspective, Hill Murray's schedule strength isn't that bad. 18th toughest through yesterday's games.

Lee
Hey Lee,

Did something wonky happen with PageStat this week? Hermantown fell all the way to 25, and 3-16 Denfeld is the #6 Class A team, just ahead of TRF and Warroad. :?:

You are looking at SOS list.
Yeah, I'm an idiot.
Sokay, I get that a lot. Not as much as ____limb, but a lot.

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Post by karl(east) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:59 pm

PS2 AA top 25, for reference, and where they are relative to their place in my rankings. We do have the same 25 teams listed:

1. Centennial (+4) :!:
2. Eden Prairie (-1)
3. Holy Family (+4)
4. Hill-Murray (-2)
5. Edina (+1)
6. St. Thomas (+3)
7. Duluth East (+6) :-$
8. Minnetonka (+7)
9. Stillwater (-6) :?
10. Grand Rapids (E)
11. Elk River (-7) :-k
12. Lakeville North (-4)
13. Maple Grove (-2)
14. Moorhead (E)
15. Lakeville South (+4)
16. St. Michael-Albertville (+1)
17. White Bear Lake (-5)
18. Burnsville (-2)
19. Wayzata (+6)
20. Blaine (-2)
21. Cretin (+1)
22. Duluth Marshall (+2)
23. Bemidji (E)
24. Roseau (-4)
25. Prior Lake (-5)

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Post by Goldyismoldy » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:03 pm

Well the good news Karl is you got 10, 14, and 23 right... :lol:

It's easy to pick apart anyone's rankings when there is so little separation.

Thanks for putting up your rankings so we have something to banter about.
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Post by alcloseshaver » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:09 pm

QRF will be updated Monday morning after getting hacked this week and having to re-enter all the scores for all sports.

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Post by Goldyismoldy » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 pm

alcloseshaver wrote:QRF will be updated Monday morning after getting hacked this week and having to re-enter all the scores for all sports.
Damn Russians...

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Post by east hockey » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:40 pm

Goldyismoldy wrote:Well the good news Karl is you got 10, 14, and 23 right... :lol:

It's easy to pick apart anyone's rankings when there is so little separation.

Thanks for putting up your rankings so we have something to banter about.
It's very close in PageStat. You have less than one rating point separating the Top 11 in AA. I don't know if that's ever happened before. A bunch of teams are in contention at a point where the best have usually put distance between themselves and the "next tier". This season is turning out to be a lot of fun, and I can't wait for the Section and State Tournaments.

This is in direct opposition to Class A where you have Hermantown and then a bunch of chasers in the distance. Far distance, it appears.

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Post by alcloseshaver » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:14 am

Top 5 QRF
1. Elk River
2. Centennial
3. Stillwater
4. Lakeville North
5. Hill Murray
Big variance in these computer rankings.

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Post by SFA1992 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:15 am

Goldyismoldy wrote:
Sparlimb wrote:
We did better. We put one in pretty much every section so someday we can have an all private tournament. It would be fun to hear the screaming...
How many teams did you have last year again?
didn't have any last year so clearly it's working ;)

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Post by MNHockeyFan » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:12 am

Hill-Murray at No. 1?

BOYS CLASS AA (first-place votes) – JAN 25th, 2017
Rank Team Record
1. Hill-Murray (6) 12-1-3
2. Eden Prairie (4) 11-4-2
3. Stillwater (1) 15-2-0
4. Edina 11-5-1
5. Elk River/Z (1) 14-3-0
6. Lakeville North 13-2-2
7. Holy Family 13-3-1
8. Centennial 12-3-0
9. Grand Rapids 12-4-1
10. St. Thomas 12-4-1
11. Maple Grove 12-4-0
12. Duluth East 10-5-1
13. Minnetonka 11-6-0
14. White Bear Lake 10-4-2
15. Moorhead 12-3-2

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Post by BlueLineSpecial » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:32 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:Hill-Murray at No. 1?

BOYS CLASS AA (first-place votes) – JAN 25th, 2017
Rank Team Record
1. Hill-Murray (6) 12-1-3
2. Eden Prairie (4) 11-4-2
3. Stillwater (1) 15-2-0
4. Edina 11-5-1
5. Elk River/Z (1) 14-3-0
6. Lakeville North 13-2-2
7. Holy Family 13-3-1
8. Centennial 12-3-0
9. Grand Rapids 12-4-1
10. St. Thomas 12-4-1
11. Maple Grove 12-4-0
12. Duluth East 10-5-1
13. Minnetonka 11-6-0
14. White Bear Lake 10-4-2
15. Moorhead 12-3-2
Love me that chicken salad! nom nom nom nom

Most people agree that Hill doesn't have the high end talent that many of the other top 10 teams do. And because of conference their schedule doesn't look as difficult as others (although this last week has justified their ranking when most questioned it). But with Stillwater & Edina having a couple of recent losses, and EP starting slow and piling up some losses, they're number 1 by big recent wins and overall record.

The top 10 is definitely wide open. Personally, I don't think HF, LN & Centennial are moving up enough week-to-week and Stillwater & Edina are moving down enough week-to-week. Some teams seem to be given the benefit of the doubt more than others.
The City of Hill Murray is beautiful this time of year

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Post by BlueLineSpecial » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:34 am

And for the record, the only rankings I truly care about are Karl's

:mrgreen:
The City of Hill Murray is beautiful this time of year

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Post by elliott70 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:42 am

Need a tweak...
Based on who is the best right now... (who wins if they play tonight)

1. Eden Prairie (4) 11-4-2
2. Hill-Murray (6) 12-1-3
3. Elk River (1) 14-3-0
4. Edina 11-5-1
5. Stillwater (1) 15-2-0
6. Moorhead 12-3-2
7. Holy Family 13-3-1
8. Grand Rapids 12-4-1
9. Lakeville North 13-2-2
10. Centennial 12-3-0
11. St. Thomas 12-4-1
12. Duluth East 10-5-1
13. Maple Grove 12-4-0
14. Minnetonka 11-6-0
15. White Bear Lake 10-4-2

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Post by elliott70 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:43 am

BlueLineSpecial wrote:And for the record, the only rankings I truly care about are Karl's

:mrgreen:
page stat
and mine, of course.

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Post by BlueLineSpecial » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:52 am

elliott70 wrote:
BlueLineSpecial wrote:And for the record, the only rankings I truly care about are Karl's

:mrgreen:
page stat
and mine, of course.
Of course!

At the moment, I'd probably do:

1. EP
2. HM
3. HF
4. LN
5. Stillwater
6. Centennial
7. Edina
8. ER
9. STA
10. MG
11. DE
12. GR
13. Moorhead
14. Tonka
15. WBL

?? IDK
The City of Hill Murray is beautiful this time of year

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Post by elliott70 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:00 am

BlueLineSpecial wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
BlueLineSpecial wrote:And for the record, the only rankings I truly care about are Karl's

:mrgreen:
page stat
and mine, of course.
Of course!

At the moment, I'd probably do:

1. EP
2. HM
3. HF
4. LN
5. Stillwater
6. Centennial
7. Edina
8. ER
9. STA
10. MG
11. DE
12. GR
13. Moorhead
14. Tonka
15. WBL

?? IDK
Looks good, add one more and lets hold the state tourney.

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Post by Sparlimb » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:56 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:Hill-Murray at No. 1?
Hickory is alive and well. The little engine that could...

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Post by Goal_Judge » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:10 pm

Edina 7 Centennial 3 (Tues. Night)

Can't see how one can have the Cougars ranked ahead of the Hornets.

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Post by elliott70 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:16 pm

Goal_Judge wrote:Edina 7 Centennial 3 (Tues. Night)

Can't see how one can have the Cougars ranked ahead of the Hornets.
I think most of these were done before Tuesday (except mine and blueline).

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