The Hermantown Thread

[Hunters1993]

Only one class A team can do what he is speaking of. Only one! Matter of fact three out of four years, only one class A team!

Like they say in Sesame Street. One team is not like the others, one just doesn’t belong! Any guesses who that team is!

Brother. Why is that a bad thing???? Whenever your Denfeld squad beats them they will beat a legit squad....not a sub .500 hibbing or Eveleth. Get it yet?? Yeah Hawks have won whatever tou say...great!! Class A is NOT Bantam B or peewee B. Or Tier 2 ... it is class A!! Class AA champ 2020 is a class A school
Fact

After Hermantown moves teams like Denfeld, Greenway, the coop Virginia, Hibbibg, Proctor will all keep their talent instead of them running to Hermantown. If the talent doesn’t see the free ride that is Hermantown the talent will stay put. The section will be great!

[Hunters1993]

Only one class A team can do what he is speaking of. Only one! Matter of fact three out of four years, only one class A team!

Like they say in Sesame Street. One team is not like the others, one just doesn’t belong! Any guesses who that team is!

Only one class A team!

Otters section 4A champs 1997 to 2003.... how can we fix it??? Otters: two section finals count iij ng 2020...
All is ok in section six. World did not end. Gravity is still here. Did not float to outer space.

Are you comparing four years as champs to 9 out of 11? Or eight straight?

[defense]

Only one class A team can do what he is speaking of. Only one! Matter of fact three out of four years, only one class A team!

Like they say in Sesame Street. One team is not like the others, one just doesn’t belong! Any guesses who that team is!

Brother. Why is that a bad thing???? Whenever your Denfeld squad beats them they will beat a legit squad....not a sub .500 hibbing or Eveleth. Get it yet?? Yeah Hawks have won whatever tou say...great!! Class A is NOT Bantam B or peewee B. Or Tier 2 ... it is class A!! Class AA champ 2020 is a class A school
Fact

After Hermantown moves teams like Denfeld, Greenway, the coop Virginia, Hibbibg, Proctor will all keep their talent instead of them running to Hermantown. If the talent doesn’t see the free ride that is Hermantown the talent will stay put. The section will be great!

Probably it will be worse

[defense]

Otters section 4A champs 1997 to 2003.... how can we fix it??? Otters: two section finals count iij ng 2020...
All is ok in section six. World did not end. Gravity is still here. Did not float to outer space.

Are you comparing four years as champs to 9 out of 11? Or eight straight?

Nope . 7 year champs straight. Then a run by the Flyers... teams in Section 6 are OK. Doing fine

[rainier2]

So AA champ was beaten by Hermantown....now Hawks have to beat them again to prove their worth?? Seems like Hibbimg didnt show up honestly

Grand Rapids lost to them too. Are you saying the AA champ didn't show up? How much better did GR need to get to "just beat Hermantown"?

Do elite AA progams need to better themselves too, so they can "just beat Hermantown"?

Nope. Now you just took it to a different angle: is Class A hockey really worse than AA??????? Evidence speaking as you pointed out: no it is not.

So, one team in Class A can routinely beat the AA champ, so that means Class A hockey is as good as Class AA hockey? Really?

2016: AA Champ Wayzata loses to Hermanton.
2017: AA Champ GR loses to Hermantown
2018: AA Champ Tonka beats Hermantown 5-3
2019: AA Champ Edina does not play Hermantown
2020: AA Champ HM loses to Hermantown

This is the standard you think community Class A teams should be held to? Do you honestly see Fergus Falls, or any other small town team being able to routinely beat the AA champ? Hibbing, LF, Luverne, TRF, and the rest won't pass your test until they go 3-1 vs the AA Champ in a five year span?

[defense]

Thief River might do it. Fergus not so much. Luverne no. Wouldn't do it in AA either.... you think Warrod"s. A champs would do it in AA?? Or Hill's champs in A? Or East's champs in A???
Or Edina, EP...etc??? Wouldn't be that good in A either.

[defense]

What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up

[Hunters1993]

Thief River might do it. Fergus not so much. Luverne no. Wouldn't do it in AA either.... you think Warrod"s. A champs would do it in AA?? Or Hill's champs in A? Or East's champs in A???
Or Edina, EP...etc??? Wouldn't be that good in A either.

No team will ever put this stretch that Hermantown has done in class A. Ever! No team will win eight straight section c-chips and make 9 out of 11 state c-chip games. You know why?

Because after four or five straight trips to state c-chip games team would move up. Example STA.

[Hunters1993]

What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up

OMG Blasphemy!

Hermantown sit on top of the class A hill and proclaim yourself to be the best of all hockey! Hermantown now calls themselves the best of all the land.

[Goose21]

What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up

For some teams.

[Wise Old Man]

Hermantown fans become confusing. They go off on these tangents and have nonsense statements to stop questions or when they get cornered. Also go for personal attacks.

People get frustrated chasing these conversations or just get fed up that is why anti Hermantown people come and go. Just get sick of beating their heads against a wall! My head is starting to hurt and bleed!

Not sure if its directed at my posts, but I am not cornered. This whole back and forth took a wierd tangent. Simple question and answer to try and support an idea. Idea: top quality teams have helped class a tournement gain interest. Question: if a normal team of the field or anyone besides Hermantown was beaten by maht in championship is it as intense? My answer: no it is not. Your answer: those teams would never get to that game. Huh? Ok, be confused. Always asking about the other teams, the ones who don't get a chance. Put two of those in there... do ya open the upper deck for fans???? Probably not.

"defense", again, I don't think your view on this holds water. People want to see a close, competitive game, regardless of who is playing in it. SCC was the number two seed going in so, yes, if Mahtomedi would've played SCC in the final and the game would've played out the exact same way as it did with Hermantown, it certainly would've been just as intense and exciting. Now, my thinking is you're actually trying to express the idea that no other team in our state at this time is looked upon as being "the villain" as Hermantown and just not getting your point across in the way you're stating it. And, there's no doubt that no team in Minnesota -- in either class -- is generally despised as much as Hermantown. Still, I'm confident that had the game played out the exact same way, just with SCC in it vs Hermantown, 99% of the people watching would've felt it was just as exciting.

[defense]

Only one class A team can do what he is speaking of. Only one! Matter of fact three out of four years, only one class A team!

Like they say in Sesame Street. One team is not like the others, one just doesn’t belong! Any guesses who that team is!

Brother. Why is that a bad thing???? Whenever your Denfeld squad beats them they will beat a legit squad....not a sub .500 hibbing or Eveleth. Get it yet?? Yeah Hawks have won whatever tou say...great!! Class A is NOT Bantam B or peewee B. Or Tier 2 ... it is class A!! Class AA champ 2020 is a class A school
Fact

After Hermantown moves teams like Denfeld, Greenway, the coop Virginia, Hibbibg, Proctor will all keep their talent instead of them running to Hermantown. If the talent doesn’t see the free ride that is Hermantown the talent will stay put. The section will be great!

Sub ,
.500 teams at state?? Awesome!!!!!°

[defense]

Hermantown fans become confusing. They go off on these tangents and have nonsense statements to stop questions or when they get cornered. Also go for personal attacks.

People get frustrated chasing these conversations or just get fed up that is why anti Hermantown people come and go. Just get sick of beating their heads against a wall! My head is starting to hurt and bleed!

Not sure if its directed at my posts, but I am not cornered. This whole back and forth took a wierd tangent. Simple question and answer to try and support an idea. Idea: top quality teams have helped class a tournement gain interest. Question: if a normal team of the field or anyone besides Hermantown was beaten by maht in championship is it as intense? My answer: no it is not. Your answer: those teams would never get to that game. Huh? Ok, be confused. Always asking about the other teams, the ones who don't get a chance. Put two of those in there... do ya open the upper deck for fans???? Probably not.

"defense", again, I don't think your view on this holds water. People want to see a close, competitive game, regardless of who is playing in it. SCC was the number two seed going in so, yes, if Mahtomedi would've played SCC in the final and the game would've played out the exact same way as it did with Hermantown, it certainly would've been just as intense and exciting. Now, my thinking is you're actually trying to express the idea that no other team in our state at this time is looked upon as being "the villain" as Hermantown and just not getting your point across in the way you're stating it. And, there's no doubt that no team in Minnesota -- in either class -- is generally despised as much as Hermantown. Still, I'm confident that had the game played out the exact same way, just with SCC in it vs Hermantown, 99% of the people watching would've felt it was just as exciting.

I do not disagree if SCC was there... great game... whe. Di you start craving for SCC to go AA??.
And.. SCC or Warriad this year vs Hermantown is NOT as intense as MAht vs Hermantown.

[defense]

What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up

For some teams.

What?

[Hunters1993]

They wouldn’t be sub .500. The talent would stay put and the teams would be better. I think Denfeld,Greenway, and probably Virginia would have all been solid if talent was to stay still .

[Goose21]

What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up

For some teams.

What?

For some teams It is not JV or B or C.

[defense]

For some teams.

What?

For some teams It is not JV or B or C.

Edina would do what Hermantown has done with their varsity?? You are the reason class A will fail bud. Hornets wouldn't do what Hawks have done. Even as varsity... be honest

[defense]

They wouldn’t be sub .500. The talent would stay put and the teams would be better. I think Denfeld,Greenway, and probably Virginia would have all been solid if talent was to stay still .

No??? A sub .500 team wouldn't win 7a? Why are you bitching about H town then?

[Hunters1993]

Only one class A team can do what he is speaking of. Only one! Matter of fact three out of four years, only one class A team!

Like they say in Sesame Street. One team is not like the others, one just doesn’t belong! Any guesses who that team is!

Brother. Why is that a bad thing???? Whenever your Denfeld squad beats them they will beat a legit squad....not a sub .500 hibbing or Eveleth. Get it yet?? Yeah Hawks have won whatever tou say...great!! Class A is NOT Bantam B or peewee B. Or Tier 2 ... it is class A!! Class AA champ 2020 is a class A school
Fact

Double what! The champion of hockey in Minnesota this year is HM. The champ of class A hill is Hermantown. Call it what it is. Till Hermantown plays class AA during playoffs they will never be in same stratosphere as Edina, HM, GR, Duluth East, Roseau, Moorhead, and I could go on!

[Hunters1993]

What?

For some teams It is not JV or B or C.

Edina would do what Hermantown has done with their varsity?? You are the reason class A will fail bud. Hornets wouldn't do what Hawks have done. Even as varsity... be honest

Point is Edina would not play class A hockey. If they in theory went to class A they would dominate for several years and challenge the kids in class AA. No other school would stay in class A after a run of 9 out of 11 years at c-chip at state. No one.

[Hunters1993]

What?

For some teams It is not JV or B or C.

Edina would do what Hermantown has done with their varsity?? You are the reason class A will fail bud. Hornets wouldn't do what Hawks have done. Even as varsity... be honest

Blasphemy! OMG.

You spew so much garbage at one time that I can keep up! I try to discuss and more garbage is out before I even get a chance to respond.

[defense]

Only one class A team can do what he is speaking of. Only one! Matter of fact three out of four years, only one class A team!

Like they say in Sesame Street. One team is not like the others, one just doesn’t belong! Any guesses who that team is!

Brother. Why is that a bad thing???? Whenever your Denfeld squad beats them they will beat a legit squad....not a sub .500 hibbing or Eveleth. Get it yet?? Yeah Hawks have won whatever tou say...great!! Class A is NOT Bantam B or peewee B. Or Tier 2 ... it is class A!! Class AA champ 2020 is a class A school
Fact

Double what! The champion of hockey in Minnesota this year is HM. The champ of class A hill is Hermantown. Call it what it is. Till Hermantown plays class AA during playoffs they will never be in same stratosphere as Edina, HM, GR, Duluth East, Roseau, Moorhead, and I could go on!

Dude, just said Class A is not subordinate to AA.. before ya said it wasn't a b or c???

[Wise Old Man]

Teams that have never been to state or not for a long time and have little hope for awhile: (incomplete list)
Park Rapids, Bagley, Kittson County, Ely, Baudette, Wadena, Crookston, Detroit Lakes ( mid 90's last and only time), Brainerd, Sartell, River Lakes, Northern Lakes, Prarie Center, Breckenridge Wahpeton, Morris Benson, Sauk Rapids ( early 2000's last and only). Viriginia did not long ago.. as did Eveleth before them what happened? Those kids who saw that or joined because of their success should be in hs or just graduated by now. Silver Bay around the Millennium, see Virginia Eveleth question.. Red Lake Falls, all of these programs will survive despite lack of state tournament success and if they don't, there is more to the issue.


Fergus is trying to rise up again hard as they can, but 7 state appearances gave them some of the smallest hockey classes in history, again another issue seldom brought up here , their real problem is declining enrollment. Brainerd and Detroit Lakes programs are somehow very healthy.

"defense", sorry but I'm fortunate to have been around the game as a career for over 30 years and have made friends and acquaintances in almost every program in northern Minnesota, as well as a number in the metro and, I promise you, getting to a state tournament really matters to these programs. You listed a bunch of schools who had been to the tourney 10 or 15 years ago and asked where the "tournament bump" was for those schools. The reality is, almost all of those teams got the normal shot in the arm to their programs but, Hermantown became so dominant that even though those "other" schools' teams would've normally have been good enough to get to state, they simply couldn't compete with Hermantown's depth of talent. That's how good Hermantown has been.

And yes, declining enrollments are a factor for many of these programs. But remember, when a smaller school like Virginia loses a Kilen or Ely loses a Pierce to open-enrollment, that has a far bigger impact on those teams with smaller youth programs than an East or a Cloquet losing a quality player.

Point was: if a state tournament trip will add be so vital that a program may fail if they never get to go... why didn't that work for Virginia, Eveleth, etc?? Why are they now collapsing into co ops?? The timing of their state births should have given them a good bump in at least numbers that would show up at high school level now or recently you would think, not even concerning ability to compete with Hermantown. That was it.
The other part of that comment was listing teams who seemingly are not really too hurt to continue on despite having that state tourney birth. Point was, state tourney birth may help, definitely in theory, but was trying to point out that it is really not vital. And pointing to some examples.

"defense", please try to actually read what I'm posting. I answered your question about "why didn't it work for Eveleth or Virginia". It actually did work as those programs saw measurable increases in their youth programs' entry-level numbers for 2-3 years following each of their trips to state. Unfortunately, despite the increases in number of kids playing and the coinciding increase in quality players, it still wasn't enough to overcome Hermantown's depth. Which (Hermantown's depth) is the number one beneficiary of their gains from transfers and open-enrollment (remember, a few years ago, 6 of the 12 players on their Squirt A team didn't start playing at Hermantown). What I'm stating for you (or anyone else trying to defend Hermantown) is basic logic and common sense. Those program's inability to get past Hermantown EVEN WITH the bumps in numbers and talent actually proves my point about Hermantown needing to move up even more!

Also, Eveleth and Virginia aren't co-opting their programs due to lack of numbers. The two communities voted on a referendum to combine their schools. They're building a brand new high school,as well as possibly a middle school. Along with a brand new arena.

[defense]

For some teams It is not JV or B or C.

Edina would do what Hermantown has done with their varsity?? You are the reason class A will fail bud. Hornets wouldn't do what Hawks have done. Even as varsity... be honest

Blasphemy! OMG.

You spew so much garbage at one time that I can keep up! I try to discuss and more garbage is out before I even get a chance to respond.

What?? Try to answer instead of ignoring and redirecting an idea. Answer a simple question. See what you come up with bud

[defense]

"defense", sorry but I'm fortunate to have been around the game as a career for over 30 years and have made friends and acquaintances in almost every program in northern Minnesota, as well as a number in the metro and, I promise you, getting to a state tournament really matters to these programs. You listed a bunch of schools who had been to the tourney 10 or 15 years ago and asked where the "tournament bump" was for those schools. The reality is, almost all of those teams got the normal shot in the arm to their programs but, Hermantown became so dominant that even though those "other" schools' teams would've normally have been good enough to get to state, they simply couldn't compete with Hermantown's depth of talent. That's how good Hermantown has been.

And yes, declining enrollments are a factor for many of these programs. But remember, when a smaller school like Virginia loses a Kilen or Ely loses a Pierce to open-enrollment, that has a far bigger impact on those teams with smaller youth programs than an East or a Cloquet losing a quality player.

Point was: if a state tournament trip will add be so vital that a program may fail if they never get to go... why didn't that work for Virginia, Eveleth, etc?? Why are they now collapsing into co ops?? The timing of their state births should have given them a good bump in at least numbers that would show up at high school level now or recently you would think, not even concerning ability to compete with Hermantown. That was it.
The other part of that comment was listing teams who seemingly are not really too hurt to continue on despite having that state tourney birth. Point was, state tourney birth may help, definitely in theory, but was trying to point out that it is really not vital. And pointing to some examples.

"defense", please try to actually read what I'm posting. I answered your question about "why didn't it work for Eveleth or Virginia". It actually did work as those programs saw measurable increases in their youth programs' entry-level numbers for 2-3 years following each of their trips to state. Unfortunately, despite the increases in number of kids playing and the coinciding increase in quality players, it still wasn't enough to overcome Hermantown's depth. Which (Hermantown's depth) is the number one beneficiary of their gains from transfers and open-enrollment (remember, a few years ago, 6 of the 12 players on their Squirt A team didn't start playing at Hermantown). What I'm stating for you (or anyone else trying to defend Hermantown) is basic logic and common sense. Those program's inability to get past Hermantown EVEN WITH the bumps in numbers and talent actually proves my point about Hermantown needing to move up even more!

Also, Eveleth and Virginia aren't co-opting their programs due to lack of numbers. The two communities voted on a referendum to combine their schools. They're building a brand new high school,as well as possibly a middle school. Along with a brand new arena.

So. Eveleth and Virginia decided to co op because they couldn't beat Hermantown???? That sucks. Their programs should stop existing. Really??? How dumb. Let's see what we can do for us?? Nope, not in Virginia or Eveleth I guess.. Hermant ok wn is #1... bow down. Dumb dude. That ideology is the death of hockey. Not Hermantown