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Super State Tournament

Post by elliott70 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:25 pm

Would you pay to see this event?

1 EDINA vs 16 EAGAN
8 HERMANTOWN vs 9 WAYZATA

4 ANDOVER vs 13 DULUTH EAST
5 EDEN PRAIRIE vs 12 MOORHEAD


2 MINNETONKA vs 15 ROSEMOUNT
7 MAPLE GROVE vs 10 ST THOMAS ACADEMY

3 BLAINE vs 14 HILL MURRAY
6 CHASKA vs 11 BENILDE ST MARGARETS

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by kniven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:28 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:25 pm
Would you pay to see this event?

1 EDINA vs 16 EAGAN
8 HERMANTOWN vs 9 WAYZATA

4 ANDOVER vs 13 DULUTH EAST
5 EDEN PRAIRIE vs 12 MOORHEAD


2 MINNETONKA vs 15 ROSEMOUNT
7 MAPLE GROVE vs 10 ST THOMAS ACADEMY

3 BLAINE vs 14 HILL MURRAY
6 CHASKA vs 11 BENILDE ST MARGARETS
Most definitely!!

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by minnscout » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:31 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:25 pm
Would you pay to see this event?

1 EDINA vs 16 EAGAN
8 HERMANTOWN vs 9 WAYZATA

4 ANDOVER vs 13 DULUTH EAST
5 EDEN PRAIRIE vs 12 MOORHEAD


2 MINNETONKA vs 15 ROSEMOUNT
7 MAPLE GROVE vs 10 ST THOMAS ACADEMY

3 BLAINE vs 14 HILL MURRAY
6 CHASKA vs 11 BENILDE ST MARGARETS
Yes, with some better seeding.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by elliott70 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:32 pm

Class A tourney

17 HOLY FAMILY 2AA32 BURNSVILLE 3AA
24 BRAINERD 8AA vs 25 ROSEAU 8AA

18 CLOQUET 7AA vs 31 BUFFALO 8AA
23 CRETIN DERHAM HALL 6AA vs 26 MAHTOMEDI 4A


19 BLAKE 6AA vs 30 CHAMPLIN PARK 5AA
22 WHITE BEAR LAKE 4AA vs 27 EAST GRAND FORKS 8A

20 ST CLOUD CATHEDRAL 6A vs 29 LAKEVILLE NORTH 1AA
21 LAKEVILLE SOUTH 1AA vs 28 TOTINO GRACE 4A

Everyone else plays in the B tourney.
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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by elliott70 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:33 pm

Seedings are based on page stat as of Sunday,

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by kniven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:37 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:32 pm
Class A tourney

17 HOLY FAMILY 2AA32 BURNSVILLE 3AA
24 BRAINERD 8AA vs 25 ROSEAU 8AA

18 CLOQUET 7AA vs 31 BUFFALO 8AA
23 CRETIN DERHAM HALL 6AA vs 26 MAHTOMEDI 4A


19 BLAKE 6AA vs 30 CHAMPLIN PARK 5AA
22 WHITE BEAR LAKE 4AA vs 27 EAST GRAND FORKS 8A

20 ST CLOUD CATHEDRAL 6A vs 29 LAKEVILLE NORTH 1AA
21 LAKEVILLE SOUTH 1AA vs 28 TOTINO GRACE 4A

Everyone else plays in the B tourney.
Yep! Most de finely!!

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by kniven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:40 pm

Top 16 in state in AA that year and 16-32 in A that same year. I love it!!!!!!!!

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by elliott70 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:40 pm

33 CENTENNIAL 5AA
34 PRIOR LAKE 2AA
35 STILLWATER 4AA
36 EASTVIEW 3AA
37 BLOOM JEFFERSON 3AA
38 ELK RIVER 7AA
39 ALEXANDRIA 6A
40 ST MICHAEL ALBERTVILLE 8AA
41 GRAND RAPIDS 7AA
42 ORONO 2A
43 BEMIDJI 8AA
44 HASTINGS 1AA
45 FOREST LAKE 7AA
46 HOLY ANGELS 6AA
47 SARTELL 6A
48 GREENWAY 7A

These would be the top 16 teams and would play in an 8 team B tourney if not upset in route to the state tourney.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by That guy for that thing » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:51 pm

I wouldn't want to be the scheduler. I would want the A and AA at the X and B at Mariucci, but I know most of you would want AA at X, A and Mariucci, and B at either Amsoil/Sanford/HBNHC/Verizon. I think Amsoil would be best in that case as Duluth is the biggest city left, and it gives the North something to do.

AA/A at the X would be something like Two games a day per class for the first week Wed-Sat, then run it like it is now for the second week. You lose, you're done. (3/4 place game plays)

B can just be one week, all up in Duluth. Split the first round up through the first 2 days, then quarters on Friday, then Finals on Saturday. (3/4 place game plays)

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by kniven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:11 pm

That guy for that thing wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:51 pm
I wouldn't want to be the scheduler. I would want the A and AA at the X and B at Mariucci, but I know most of you would want AA at X, A and Mariucci, and B at either Amsoil/Sanford/HBNHC/Verizon. I think Amsoil would be best in that case as Duluth is the biggest city left, and it gives the North something to do.

AA/A at the X would be something like Two games a day per class for the first week Wed-Sat, then run it like it is now for the second week. You lose, you're done. (3/4 place game plays)

B can just be one week, all up in Duluth. Split the first round up through the first 2 days, then quarters on Friday, then Finals on Saturday. (3/4 place game plays)

Someone contact the MSHSL. This is perfect!! All of it

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by WarmUpTheBus » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:24 pm

No thanks. I enjoy the Section semi-finals and finals too much to see them go away. The passion to get to the tournament has created more great Section final games over the years than the actual State Tournament games in my opinion. I also really miss the Section finals at the Coliseum

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by Stang5280 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:48 pm

Having only one Class A team in the top-level tournament feels counterproductive. Yes, Hermantown is “forced” to play up with the big boys under this scenario, but teams like SCC, Mahtomedi, etc., who are basically at the level of HT, but don’t have quite the schedule strength, are excluded from the main event. To me, having these smaller teams is more desirable than seeing teams like Eagan or Benilde, who already have a chance to play their way into the AA tourney under the current structure and are only about the third best teams in their respective sections.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by ThatMNHockeyGuy62 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:21 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:25 pm
Would you pay to see this event?

1 EDINA vs 16 EAGAN
8 HERMANTOWN vs 9 WAYZATA

4 ANDOVER vs 13 DULUTH EAST
5 EDEN PRAIRIE vs 12 MOORHEAD


2 MINNETONKA vs 15 ROSEMOUNT
7 MAPLE GROVE vs 10 ST THOMAS ACADEMY

3 BLAINE vs 14 HILL MURRAY
6 CHASKA vs 11 BENILDE ST MARGARETS
I can understand the arguments against this format, but EVERY game here would be a GREAT matchup. I would imagine most years there would be at least two outstate teams in the top 16 just like this.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by ThatMNHockeyGuy62 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:28 pm

Another idea that is kind of a happy medium between current system and a rankings based system:

Top 8 ranked teams are auto-bids, and the remaining teams play out their regular sections minus the teams that are already there. Winner of each section round out the other 8 teams of a 16 team tournament. Do this for A and AA.

This would allow other 7A teams to go to state and not care that much about Hermantown. It would also ensure at least one team from every part of the state. The downside would be when section 2AA or 6AA have 3 auto-bids and then their section playoffs only have 5 teams... still would be potentially just as hard to win that section as it would be to win 1AA 😉

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by That guy for that thing » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:33 pm

ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:28 pm
Another idea that is kind of a happy medium between current system and a rankings based system:

Top 8 ranked teams are auto-bids, and the remaining teams play out their regular sections minus the teams that are already there. Winner of each section round out the other 8 teams of a 16 team tournament. Do this for A and AA.

This would allow other 7A teams to go to state and not care that much about Hermantown. It would also ensure at least one team from every part of the state. The downside would be when section 2AA or 6AA have 3 auto-bids and then their section playoffs only have 5 teams... still would be potentially just as hard to win that section as it would be to win 1AA 😉
I like this. Have AA at the X/Mariucci and A at Amzoil/Old DECC. Gives both tournaments space, you can broadcast A if you really want too. Plus it would really incentivize teams to move up to AA to get the big time venues/tv air time.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by Section 8 guy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:41 pm

So.......what ranking system do you use? They all have their flaws.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by That guy for that thing » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:46 pm

Section 8 guy wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:41 pm
So.......what ranking system do you use? They all have their flaws.
I think you gotta ask the coaches that. or maybe even hire some stat firm to come in and develop something. Have them watch a year or two, and work something out. I don't think there will be too much landscape change in the next couple of years.

It would be hard to do something like the major sports leagues, where they have their sections, essentially, and you can force schedules through that. But we have the various conferences, and a different number of teams in both conferences and sections, as well as independents.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by ThatMNHockeyGuy62 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:50 pm

Section 8 guy wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:41 pm
So.......what ranking system do you use? They all have their flaws.
Good question. For my idea above coaches vote? Each coach ranks the top 10 teams not in their section. That way you don’t have coaches picking all teams from their own section to give themselves an easier path in sections.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by USA218 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:20 pm

Strength of schedule would be one of the biggest factors and could create scheduling nightmare. Because of this, there is no way you could have section alignment and would also cause some major travel issues. Think about teams like EGF. While they try play a very competitive SOS, they still have to play so many sections games against marginal competition (Crox ×2, LOW, Park Rapids, DL). What do you replace that with? Two more trips to the Cities at 6 hours each way. Then, what competitive Metro teams are going to want to drop their Edina's, Tonka's, etc... to play a "A" school as it doesn't help them.
While I love the idea, when I think about the reality of something like this I dont see how it could ever happen. It would absolutely destroy the small towns that are trying to survive (see every non-metro section as there are alot).
Great idea, just doesn't make sense to me as you think about the problems it would create in the State of Hockey.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by O-townClown » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:36 am

Mark, what "problem" are you trying to solve? I think the present setup works very well.
Be kind. Rewind.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:48 am

I tend to agree. This would be a great holiday tournament. For the postseason...... I like it the way it is a lot better.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by Joe2015 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:06 am

elliott70 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:32 pm
Class A tourney

17 HOLY FAMILY 2AA32 BURNSVILLE 3AA
24 BRAINERD 8AA vs 25 ROSEAU 8AA

18 CLOQUET 7AA vs 31 BUFFALO 8AA
23 CRETIN DERHAM HALL 6AA vs 26 MAHTOMEDI 4A


19 BLAKE 6AA vs 30 CHAMPLIN PARK 5AA
22 WHITE BEAR LAKE 4AA vs 27 EAST GRAND FORKS 8A

20 ST CLOUD CATHEDRAL 6A vs 29 LAKEVILLE NORTH 1AA
21 LAKEVILLE SOUTH 1AA vs 28 TOTINO GRACE 4A

Everyone else plays in the B tourney.
Sounds similar to the Tier 1/Tier 2 tournament style they tried. Now I am too young to remember that experiment, but I thought everyone hated it

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by grindiangrad-80 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:07 am

WarmUpTheBus wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:24 pm
No thanks. I enjoy the Section semi-finals and finals too much to see them go away. The passion to get to the tournament has created more great Section final games over the years than the actual State Tournament games in my opinion. I also really miss the Section finals at the Coliseum
X2.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by elliott70 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:25 am

O-townClown wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:36 am
Mark, what "problem" are you trying to solve? I think the present setup works very well.
No problem, just trying to generate ideas and a little chatter before sections.

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Re: Super State Tournament

Post by Hat Trick Take 2 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:01 am

elliott70 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:25 pm
Would you pay to see this event?

1 EDINA vs 16 EAGAN
8 HERMANTOWN vs 9 WAYZATA

4 ANDOVER vs 13 DULUTH EAST
5 EDEN PRAIRIE vs 12 MOORHEAD


2 MINNETONKA vs 15 ROSEMOUNT
7 MAPLE GROVE vs 10 ST THOMAS ACADEMY

3 BLAINE vs 14 HILL MURRAY
6 CHASKA vs 11 BENILDE ST MARGARETS
Love it!! The current system doesn't allow the best teams state wide to participate in the state tourney, rather the team that comes out of each section.

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