Early Departures 2019-2020

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Slap Shot
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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by Slap Shot » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:52 pm

O-townClown wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:45 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:36 am
It's starting to feel more and more that HS hockey will continue to lose more and more talent to early departures that I had hoped for the past several seasons. While it's still hanging on to most - and I could be wrong - but it feels like there's been an acceleration of players leaving early although I don't have any data to back it up. Maybe I'm just more aware of it since I started visiting here and it's a false perception. Hopefully.
The sky was falling in early 2000s and here we are, all these years later, and it never happened. As pointed out, there hasn't been a mass exodus. So yes, I think you have a false perception.
Something I don't mind being wrong about.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by O-townClown » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:43 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:52 pm
Something I don't mind being wrong about.
That's not to say kids don't leave or that some communities aren't forever impacted. We're not in the 80s/90s era.
Be kind. Rewind.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by O-townClown » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:23 pm

The Exiled One wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:33 am

Code: Select all

Class Pos Player                HS Team              New Team           College
So    F   Justin Janicke        Maple Grove          NTDP               Notre Dame
So    F   Maddox Fleming        Rochester Mayo       Shattuck
Jr    F   Jacob Jeannette       Duluth East          Waterloo-USHL
Sr    F   Tyler McGillivary     Duluth East          Des Moines AAA
Sr    F   Logan Anderson        Duluth East          Des Moines-USHL
Sr    F   Rhett Pitlick         Chaska               Omaha-USHL         Minnesota
Jr    G   Jack Stark            Chaska               Sioux Falls U16
Is Exiled One okay? I love that he usually updates this on the first post each year.

Michaelis & Humphrey won't be at Elk River for their senior season. Did we get an answer on Flammang & Laylin? I don't recall reading where they are playing and don't think I saw their names in Elite League.
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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by InThePipes » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:15 am

O-townClown wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:23 pm
The Exiled One wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:33 am

Code: Select all

Class Pos Player                HS Team              New Team           College
So    F   Justin Janicke        Maple Grove          NTDP               Notre Dame
So    F   Maddox Fleming        Rochester Mayo       Shattuck
Jr    F   Jacob Jeannette       Duluth East          Waterloo-USHL
Sr    F   Tyler McGillivary     Duluth East          Des Moines AAA
Sr    F   Logan Anderson        Duluth East          Des Moines-USHL
Sr    F   Rhett Pitlick         Chaska               Omaha-USHL         Minnesota
Jr    G   Jack Stark            Chaska               Sioux Falls U16
Is Exiled One okay? I love that he usually updates this on the first post each year.

Michaelis & Humphrey won't be at Elk River for their senior season. Did we get an answer on Flammang & Laylin? I don't recall reading where they are playing and don't think I saw their names in Elite League.
I've heard before/after

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by BP » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:25 am

O-townClown wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:23 pm
The Exiled One wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:33 am

Code: Select all

Class Pos Player                HS Team              New Team           College
So    F   Justin Janicke        Maple Grove          NTDP               Notre Dame
So    F   Maddox Fleming        Rochester Mayo       Shattuck
Jr    F   Jacob Jeannette       Duluth East          Waterloo-USHL
Sr    F   Tyler McGillivary     Duluth East          Des Moines AAA
Sr    F   Logan Anderson        Duluth East          Des Moines-USHL
Sr    F   Rhett Pitlick         Chaska               Omaha-USHL         Minnesota
Jr    G   Jack Stark            Chaska               Sioux Falls U16
Is Exiled One okay? I love that he usually updates this on the first post each year.

Michaelis & Humphrey won't be at Elk River for their senior season. Did we get an answer on Flammang & Laylin? I don't recall reading where they are playing and don't think I saw their names in Elite League.
Laylin is playing with Magicians. Not sure on Flammang.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by The Exiled One » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 am

O-townClown wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:23 pm
Is Exiled One okay? I love that he usually updates this on the first post each year.
Sorry, been busy. Added a bunch. Let me know who I missed.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by blueline_6 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:30 am

kniven wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:50 pm
WestMetro wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:19 pm
Confirming early posts that Humphrey will join
Michaelis as Elk early depart
That’s too bad. What kind of team the Elks going to have this year? 5-8 seed or possible 3/4 seed. How was the kids leaving early numbers before the latest coach took over.
In this three years as head coach Gustafson hasn't lost kids early at any higher rate than Roberts did before him. In Gordie's four years he lost Blake Hillman, Andrew Zerban and Matt Kiersted. Gustafson so far has only lost Jack Perbix (last year), with Michaelis and Humphrey this coming season would make it 3 kids in 4 years.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by goldy313 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:15 am

612hockeytown wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:09 pm
goldy313 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:55 pm
There are lots of research showing how a student leaving high school a semester early to participate in spring practice shows more harm than good. Phillip Nelson may be the poster child of this in Minnesota high school football. When you get to hockey most of the “research” comes from USA hockey which is administratively biased against the MSHSL. And of course biased to their leagues.

As for Duluth East, one year is not a trend. Nor is two or even three. Playing I. St Paul in March is far better than playing a NH3HL, or for the most part in NAHL team.
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Apples and oranges.

Don’t compare NA3 and the NAHL. The latter is a pay for play league. 1 in 500 will play D1 hockey. In the NAHL - it’s common to see 3-6 or more D1 commits and the rest play D3 hockey. As a Magicians fan - they consistently have 6-10 D1 kids every year. Last 3 goalies were nhl draft picks. There is no fees to play in the NAHL. On certain teams - less revenue squads - players pay $200 month billet fees.

Compare it to the BCHL. THE AJHL and SJHL are also similar.

The USHL is the only league on its own where players don’t pay anything for ANYTHING. All gear is included. Billet fees paid by team. A lot more revenue than the NAHL and anywhere else.

I saw a ton of NHL scouts / and D1 guys at Magician games this year. Only a few at Blaine games presumably to only see Brodzinski.

My two cents
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Your two cents? A ton would be, what 2,000. My guess is there wasn’t 20 legitimate paid NHL scouts, in fact in might be closer to 2. Most NHL teams had a legit scout to watch Brodzinski.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by O-townClown » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:54 am

Goldy, a ton is a unit of weight. A ton of NHL scouts is approximately 19, not 2,000. LOL
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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by InThePipes » Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:53 pm

O-townClown wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:54 am
Goldy, a ton is a unit of weight. A ton of NHL scouts is approximately 19, not 2,000. LOL
Are you talking about a horse jockey or NHL scout? Probably more like 8-9 NHL scouts :lol:

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by O-townClown » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:40 pm

Flammang showing on Blizzard protected list. Now in St. Cloud this season.

Unclear on all the protected lists is whether or not the Minnesota HS kids playing Junior hockey are planning on before/after.
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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by WestMetro » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:21 pm

OTC- wont know for sure til November on several of the kids.

Oberle saying at present will be before and after; but if things go well, who knows.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by Dog » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:27 pm

Heard this weekend that Erickson is leaving early from East also? Does anybody know if this is true?

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by kniven » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:58 pm

Dog wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:27 pm
Heard this weekend that Erickson is leaving early from East also? Does anybody know if this is true?

Senior, right?

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by MWS coach » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:01 pm

blueline_6 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:30 am
kniven wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:50 pm
WestMetro wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:19 pm
Confirming early posts that Humphrey will join
Michaelis as Elk early depart
That’s too bad. What kind of team the Elks going to have this year? 5-8 seed or possible 3/4 seed. How was the kids leaving early numbers before the latest coach took over.
In this three years as head coach Gustafson hasn't lost kids early at any higher rate than Roberts did before him. In Gordie's four years he lost Blake Hillman, Andrew Zerban and Matt Kiersted. Gustafson so far has only lost Jack Perbix (last year), with Michaelis and Humphrey this coming season would make it 3 kids in 4 years.
This isn't quite accurate, look a little deeper and you might find a couple more....

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by blueline_6 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 am

MWS coach wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:01 pm
blueline_6 wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:30 am
kniven wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:50 pm


That’s too bad. What kind of team the Elks going to have this year? 5-8 seed or possible 3/4 seed. How was the kids leaving early numbers before the latest coach took over.
In this three years as head coach Gustafson hasn't lost kids early at any higher rate than Roberts did before him. In Gordie's four years he lost Blake Hillman, Andrew Zerban and Matt Kiersted. Gustafson so far has only lost Jack Perbix (last year), with Michaelis and Humphrey this coming season would make it 3 kids in 4 years.
This isn't quite accurate, look a little deeper and you might find a couple more....
I was only accounting for kids who left early to play juniors, not kids who left for Jr Gold, moved out of Elk River, or quit playing hockey.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by Usthockey13 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:11 am

I saw over the weekend Jeannette isn’t on Waterloo’s 30 man roster. He was listed on the affiliated list

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by Usthockey13 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:13 am

Dog wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:27 pm
Heard this weekend that Erickson is leaving early from East also? Does anybody know if this is true?

Yes he’s a senior and I don’t see him leaving early.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by kniven » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:17 am

Agreed

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by That guy for that thing » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:20 am

Usthockey13 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:11 am
I saw over the weekend Jeannette isn’t on Waterloo’s 30 man roster. He was listed on the affiliated list
I wonder what he is going to do. He wasn't picked up by an NAHL team. Think Randolph will take him back?

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by Usthockey13 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:26 am

Not sure what will happen but will be interesting to follow

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by BP » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:51 am

Usthockey13 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:11 am
I saw over the weekend Jeannette isn’t on Waterloo’s 30 man roster. He was listed on the affiliated list
That counts as well. There were some '03 tenders on affiliate lists for other teams that will make it. This allows them to bring an extra guy into camp.

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by Usthockey13 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:31 am

BP wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:51 am
Usthockey13 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:11 am
I saw over the weekend Jeannette isn’t on Waterloo’s 30 man roster. He was listed on the affiliated list
That counts as well. There were some '03 tenders on affiliate lists for other teams that will make it. This allows them to bring an extra guy into camp.
Thanks wasn’t sure how that all works

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by WestMetro » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:40 am

Hearing Erickson was at Wilderness camp, but didnt make roster

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Re: Early Departures 2019-2020

Post by kniven » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:47 am

WestMetro wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:40 am
Hearing Erickson was at Wilderness camp, but didnt make roster
That would be sweet if Jeanette was back at East for puck. And Logan as well. Those 3 would make a huge difference.

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