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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by muckandgrinder65 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:30 pm

Andover lacks a high caliber goaltender that they’ve had for 3 previous seasons

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by Edinahopkins » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:37 pm

MWS coach wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:05 am
Edinahopkins wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:10 am
1. Andover by a mile




2. Duluth East

3/4 Grand Rapids or cloquet assuming nobody leaves early if jack Peart leaves then drop Rapids to the 5/6 seed

5. Elk river if nobody leaves early

6. Duluth Marshall

7. Forest lake
Elks way to low on this list if nobody leaves. This group as Bantams won the Blue Ox, collected a trophy in every tournament and were eliminated in regions by losing to Prior Lake (the eventual state champ) twice, once in OT and one by a goal. Have a potential Mr. Hockey candidate whom has already scored over 100 points. Several players on 18-19 teams missed a lot of time due to injuries/health issues. One of them was the top D on aforementioned bantam team and two top 6 F's. Beat both GR and Cloquet on more then one occasion and even took down the hounds (yep understood bantams move up early, so not much stock in beating east in bantams). Jr class has a few players that saw significant ice time and contributed. A couple of incoming Soph. that will help with depth. Still won't match Andover depth and skill, but will compete with those you have ahead of them.

Now the reality, all players not likely to return. 5 could be high depending on how many and whom departs.
That’s true if everyone stays the elks would be way better then last year 3-5 is up for grabs this is probably cloquet’s last shot, Rapids I think is still a year away but should be good enough to beat anyone if you take them lightly.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by kniven » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:34 pm

I think my boys always have a shot. It’s just a better shot this year and next.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:27 am

Agree with MWS on Elk River.....if no one leaves of course. Although I believe White Bear won state in Bantams, not Prior Lake.

Since you brought up Bantams I took a second to pull up the final YHH rankings two seasons ago which would be next years group. Here is how Section 7AA teams stacked up in the final rankings (out of 44 AA teams total)

3. Andover (Didn't Make State)
12. Cloquet (0-2 at state)
19. Elk River (DMS)
31. Duluth East (DMS)
33. Grand Rapids (DMS)

None of the non AA teams were highly ranked in Bantam A rankings. I believe Logan Anderson was the only 9th grader playing HS for Duluth East so nothing like this years group where multiple impact players opted up as 9th graders. Since everyone is always obsessed with the topic..... Hermantown was rated #34 in Bantam AA.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by StanleyCup55 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:04 am

I’m not too familiar with YHH but seems their rankings are quite flawed. How could Andover possibly be ranked #3 if they didn’t make it to state?

2016-17 Let’s Play Hockey Bantam AA Final Top 20 Rankings

1 White Bear Lake
2 Osseo-Maple Grove
3 Stillwater
4 Blaine
5 Moorhead
6 Lakeville South
7 Cloquet
8 Eden Prairie
9 Minnetonka
10 Andover
11 St. Cloud
12 Edina
13 Centennial
14 South St. Paul
15 Wayzata
16 Minneapolis
17 Eastview
18 Elk River
19 Rosemount
20 Rochester

WBL beat OMG in the state championship
Stillwater beat Blaine for third
Moorhead took consolation over Lakeville South
Cloquet and EP were eliminated after 2 games

When these kids were second year Pee Wees at state...
Prior Lake beat Minneapolis in the championship
Chaska beat St. Cloud for third place
Cloquet beat Rosemount for consolation
Bloomington Jefferson and Duluth East were bounced

Andover will be very good but nothing like last year. Duluth East will be very good as will Rapids, Cloquet and Elk River. The gap between 1-5 is very small and any of these 5 teams has a real chance to win the section next year.

I predict...

1 Duluth East
2 Andover
3 Cloquet
4 Elk River
5 Grand Rapids

It will be an East-Cloquet final and I think Cloquet pulls it off this year.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by MWS coach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 am

Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:27 am
Agree with MWS on Elk River.....if no one leaves of course. Although I believe White Bear won state in Bantams, not Prior Lake.

Sorry, my bad. Yes WBL was state champ. I was thinking when they were PW's. To many kids and seasons run together!

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by MWS coach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:30 am

muckandgrinder65 wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:30 pm
Andover lacks a high caliber goaltender that they’ve had for 3 previous seasons
While may not be as good, they have two quality options, a Sr and a Jr. I wouldn't judge Sr by one period at HDM coming off the bench after sitting two periods in the freezing cold. He is very good. Jr may be even better. Both are quality options. It will be interesting to watch if one wins the job, or if they split time.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by bardown27 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 am

MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:30 am
muckandgrinder65 wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:30 pm
Andover lacks a high caliber goaltender that they’ve had for 3 previous seasons
While may not be as good, they have two quality options, a Sr and a Jr. I wouldn't judge Sr by one period at HDM coming off the bench after sitting two periods in the freezing cold. He is very good. Jr may be even better. Both are quality options. It will be interesting to watch if one wins the job, or if they split time.
Is Jr goalie the transfer from TG?

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by northwoods oldtimer » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:03 pm

StanleyCup55 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:04 am
I’m not too familiar with YHH but seems their rankings are quite flawed. How could Andover possibly be ranked #3 if they didn’t make it to state?

2016-17 Let’s Play Hockey Bantam AA Final Top 20 Rankings

1 White Bear Lake
2 Osseo-Maple Grove
3 Stillwater
4 Blaine
5 Moorhead
6 Lakeville South
7 Cloquet
8 Eden Prairie
9 Minnetonka
10 Andover
11 St. Cloud
12 Edina
13 Centennial
14 South St. Paul
15 Wayzata
16 Minneapolis
17 Eastview
18 Elk River
19 Rosemount
20 Rochester

WBL beat OMG in the state championship
Stillwater beat Blaine for third
Moorhead took consolation over Lakeville South
Cloquet and EP were eliminated after 2 games

When these kids were second year Pee Wees at state...
Prior Lake beat Minneapolis in the championship
Chaska beat St. Cloud for third place
Cloquet beat Rosemount for consolation
Bloomington Jefferson and Duluth East were bounced

Andover will be very good but nothing like last year. Duluth East will be very good as will Rapids, Cloquet and Elk River. The gap between 1-5 is very small and any of these 5 teams has a real chance to win the section next year.

I predict...

1 Duluth East
2 Andover
3 Cloquet
4 Elk River
5 Grand Rapids

It will be an East-Cloquet final and I think Cloquet pulls it off this year.
Will be great to see the section very competitive once again as opposed to the 'dumpster fire' it was in 2019.
7AA banter at its best when the section is 5-7 teams deep!
=D> =D> =D>

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by hockey59 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:10 pm

northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:03 pm
StanleyCup55 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:04 am
I’m not too familiar with YHH but seems their rankings are quite flawed. How could Andover possibly be ranked #3 if they didn’t make it to state?

2016-17 Let’s Play Hockey Bantam AA Final Top 20 Rankings

1 White Bear Lake
2 Osseo-Maple Grove
3 Stillwater
4 Blaine
5 Moorhead
6 Lakeville South
7 Cloquet
8 Eden Prairie
9 Minnetonka
10 Andover
11 St. Cloud
12 Edina
13 Centennial
14 South St. Paul
15 Wayzata
16 Minneapolis
17 Eastview
18 Elk River
19 Rosemount
20 Rochester

WBL beat OMG in the state championship
Stillwater beat Blaine for third
Moorhead took consolation over Lakeville South
Cloquet and EP were eliminated after 2 games

When these kids were second year Pee Wees at state...
Prior Lake beat Minneapolis in the championship
Chaska beat St. Cloud for third place
Cloquet beat Rosemount for consolation
Bloomington Jefferson and Duluth East were bounced

Andover will be very good but nothing like last year. Duluth East will be very good as will Rapids, Cloquet and Elk River. The gap between 1-5 is very small and any of these 5 teams has a real chance to win the section next year.

I predict...

1 Duluth East
2 Andover
3 Cloquet
4 Elk River
5 Grand Rapids

It will be an East-Cloquet final and I think Cloquet pulls it off this year.
Will be great to see the section very competitive once again as opposed to the 'dumpster fire' it was in 2019.
7AA banter at its best when the section is 5-7 teams deep!
=D> =D> =D>
Just like last year, Andover has the best team (on paper). But as someone with strong NW Metro connections, unlike in 2019 when I truely thought Andover would break threw and represent 7AA at State, now I have significant doubts...not just based on their returning players, but also their HC. ☝️

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by MWS coach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:37 pm

bardown27 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 am
MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:30 am
muckandgrinder65 wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:30 pm
Andover lacks a high caliber goaltender that they’ve had for 3 previous seasons
While may not be as good, they have two quality options, a Sr and a Jr. I wouldn't judge Sr by one period at HDM coming off the bench after sitting two periods in the freezing cold. He is very good. Jr may be even better. Both are quality options. It will be interesting to watch if one wins the job, or if they split time.
Is Jr goalie the transfer from TG?
Family moved so not really a transfer, but yes.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by kniven » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:16 pm

MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:37 pm
bardown27 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 am
MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:30 am


While may not be as good, they have two quality options, a Sr and a Jr. I wouldn't judge Sr by one period at HDM coming off the bench after sitting two periods in the freezing cold. He is very good. Jr may be even better. Both are quality options. It will be interesting to watch if one wins the job, or if they split time.
Is Jr goalie the transfer from TG?
Family moved so not really a transfer, but yes.
It's interesting pandover needs to recruit to think they have a shot at Duluth East, which means East is already in their heads (see Elk River). This is great!! Andovarians having doubts in the HC?

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by hockey59 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:12 pm

kniven wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:16 pm
MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:37 pm
bardown27 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 am


Is Jr goalie the transfer from TG?
Family moved so not really a transfer, but yes.
It's interesting pandover needs to recruit to think they have a shot at Duluth East, which means East is already in their heads (see Elk River). This is great!! Andovarians having doubts in the HC?
I’m not an Andovarian...DUMMY :idea: =D>

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by MWS coach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:41 pm

kniven wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:16 pm
MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:37 pm
bardown27 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 am


Is Jr goalie the transfer from TG?
Family moved so not really a transfer, but yes.
It's interesting pandover needs to recruit to think they have a shot at Duluth East, which means East is already in their heads (see Elk River). This is great!! Andovarians having doubts in the HC?
They didn't recruit him....gez stick to what you know about snivles which is 218 hockey

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by hockey59 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:51 pm

MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:41 pm
kniven wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:16 pm
MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:37 pm


Family moved so not really a transfer, but yes.
It's interesting pandover needs to recruit to think they have a shot at Duluth East, which means East is already in their heads (see Elk River). This is great!! Andovarians having doubts in the HC?
They didn't recruit him....gez stick to what you know about snivles which is 218 hockey
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RM2N1w6t1KM

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:17 pm

Stanley, the YHH rankings are based on results over the entire season so it would be arguable they are a better picture than the top of the LPH rankings which are based entirely on state tourney results. Although much of the top 10 is similar between the two.

Next years Bantam group for Andover was indisputably stronger than last years group........even without Fritsinger. The core of their talent will now be Seniors instead of Juniors.

I think Duluth East is being viewed as being much stronger than their talent level but each to their own. The players moved up from Bantams storyline doesn’t work with this group since Logan Anderson was the only opt up in this class. Time will tell as always.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by kniven » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:42 pm

MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:41 pm
kniven wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:16 pm
MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:37 pm


Family moved so not really a transfer, but yes.
It's interesting pandover needs to recruit to think they have a shot at Duluth East, which means East is already in their heads (see Elk River). This is great!! Andovarians having doubts in the HC?
They didn't recruit him....gez stick to what you know about snivles which is 218 hockey
Well. Who put a boner in your cereal this morning 😮. Calm down Hulio. I lived and worked in the twin cities for 10 years. We’re you live is irreverent to where you work. Parents have no ties to the communities down there what so ever. A program needs a goalie the parents are told. They move without breaking a sweat. I’m

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by karl(east) » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:49 pm

While the youth results can be a decent guide, we also have to remember that HS teams are usually drawing from three or even four grades to build out their roster instead of one to two, and that not everyone develops at the same rate. That said...

Andover should be the favorite. Plenty of depth up front, possibly the best D corps in the state if everyone comes back, decent options in goal. The big question mark will be who their major sources of offense are, since Schoen and Dainty were the real leaders there the past two seasons.

East's senior class will indeed be fairly thin, but they have a strong junior class and some interesting younger parts also, and the development of those players will be the key. (It was this group of juniors that finished 2nd in PeeWees, though that was a mild surprise run, and Kausch, who will be a senior, was in net on that team.) The forward depth is solid and they have a goaltender...D is the biggest question mark, but there is some talent back there, and this coaching staff always finds ways to shore that part of the team up, even if that means something as radical as a 2-3 forecheck. The question is how much offense they have to sacrifice to do that, and (as with this season) who will do the goal-scoring.

Grand Rapids will be better, obviously, especially with some high-impact bantam talent coming up. They'll still be a little on the young side, but they might have the most front-end talents of anyone in the section, and as their teams of a few years ago show, that can go a long way. They still have a ways to go, though.

Cloquet really is the wild card. They've got some decent talent up front and Langenbrunner, but I have some questions on D beyond him, and in goal also. Coaching stability will presumably help; as I've mentioned elsewhere, I thought the development of this most recent senior class was not what it could have been, and they can't afford to have that happen again.

If Michaelis is back, Elk River has the front-end offense and enough organizational depth to be in this mix also. Without him, they're more of a mid-tier possible pesky upset team if they can play disciplined hockey.

I don't see the other four teams here being a factor unless they have some incoming surprises in store.

All in all, a very open section, and I don't expect snoozers on Semifinal Saturday 2020. And, of course, we'll see if realignment does anything to affect this in the next few days.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by MWS coach » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:08 pm

kniven wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:42 pm
MWS coach wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:41 pm
kniven wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:16 pm


It's interesting pandover needs to recruit to think they have a shot at Duluth East, which means East is already in their heads (see Elk River). This is great!! Andovarians having doubts in the HC?
They didn't recruit him....gez stick to what you know about snivles which is 218 hockey
Well. Who put a boner in your cereal this morning 😮. Calm down Hulio. I lived and worked in the twin cities for 10 years. We’re you live is irreverent to where you work. Parents have no ties to the communities down there what so ever. A program needs a goalie the parents are told. They move without breaking a sweat. I’m
First I didn't even have cereal this morning and my name isn't Hulio! Lol 😂
Might want to look up what irreverent means as that sentence makes no sense at all. Just refuting your recruiting comment which has as much truth as your comment that cities parents have no ties to their community....

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by blueline_6 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:24 am

kniven wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:42 pm
Well. Who put a boner in your cereal this morning 😮. Calm down Hulio. I lived and worked in the twin cities for 10 years. We’re you live is irreverent to where you work. Parents have no ties to the communities down there what so ever. A program needs a goalie the parents are told. They move without breaking a sweat. I’m
Might be one of the most ignorant, insulting blanket statements I've read here.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by StanleyCup55 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:56 am

Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:17 pm
Stanley, the YHH rankings are based on results over the entire season so it would be arguable they are a better picture than the top of the LPH rankings which are based entirely on state tourney results. Although much of the top 10 is similar between the two.

Next years Bantam group for Andover was indisputably stronger than last years group........even without Fritsinger. The core of their talent will now be Seniors instead of Juniors.

I think Duluth East is being viewed as being much stronger than their talent level but each to their own. The players moved up from Bantams storyline doesn’t work with this group since Logan Anderson was the only opt up in this class. Time will tell as always.
I did notice for this year that LPH didn’t have Moorhead ranked in their top 20 prior to regions. After regions they had them ranked 17th and after state they were 6th. They did beat Lakeville South and finished 6th at state but weren’t even in the top 20 a few weeks ago. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by muckandgrinder65 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:54 pm

59,
Why would you have doubt in the AA HC of the year???

Also, I think Andover may be down to 1 Sr goalie....

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by norcon » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:02 pm

kniven wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:45 pm
So Jack Peart is the best on Grand Rapids roster last year and this year? Peart and Clafton will be a very nice combination. What’s their forwards situation. And Duluth East...somebody in hound nation give me a snapshot of next year. There were a couple of Lockerts in their youth program who were very good. Are they coming to high school puck next year? Langenbrunner Is pretty awesome and goalie Carlson was AA all through youth and quite good. He grew a foot over the last couple years. Not sure if that changes things or not. Senich is a nice Goalie as well. I’m not worried about goalie. For me, it’s the synergy between Head Coach and the boys. I think a second year together is going to be huge. And it will be interesting to see their schedule for next year.
The orange had lots of sophomores in the lineup this past season and have a very nice group coming in from the bantam team.
Should be very competitive the next few years. Looking forward to some big crowds returning to the barn!

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by northwoods oldtimer » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:57 pm

norcon wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:02 pm
kniven wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:45 pm
So Jack Peart is the best on Grand Rapids roster last year and this year? Peart and Clafton will be a very nice combination. What’s their forwards situation. And Duluth East...somebody in hound nation give me a snapshot of next year. There were a couple of Lockerts in their youth program who were very good. Are they coming to high school puck next year? Langenbrunner Is pretty awesome and goalie Carlson was AA all through youth and quite good. He grew a foot over the last couple years. Not sure if that changes things or not. Senich is a nice Goalie as well. I’m not worried about goalie. For me, it’s the synergy between Head Coach and the boys. I think a second year together is going to be huge. And it will be interesting to see their schedule for next year.
The orange had lots of sophomores in the lineup this past season and have a very nice group coming in from the bantam team.
Should be very competitive the next few years. Looking forward to some big crowds returning to the barn!
I sure hope you are right, would be fun to see a lively barn again.

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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Post by greenwayraider » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:09 pm

Major upheaval next year.

1. Andover
2. Cloquet-Esko-Carlton
3. Grand Rapids
4. Elk River
5. Duluth East
6. Marshall
7. Forest Lake
8. St. Francis
9. Cambridge-Isanti

Cloquet-Esko-Carlton to State.

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