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A better metric to compare would be if MN HS goalies move on to Tier 1 or Tier 2 juniors at a higher or lower rate than full season U16 or U18 AAA goalies. My guess is it would be pretty darn similar.
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While Holum is a very smart kid (was valedictorian) - there was never an offer at NoDak. As our family is close to an assistant who was let go very recently (you can figure that one out and I’m sure doesn’t peruse these pages- Holum never had an offer. Could he have walked on? That is unknown as he didn’t try.Duluthguy wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 8:38 amAlso Gabe Holum was on this list at one time, and could still be on it if he wanted to be. He is a 2000 and was a UND commit. But the kid is brilliant academically, wanted to go straight to college instead of play juniors, so he de-committed and is playing at D3 Concordia-Moorhead. In his Concordia hockey bio, he lists his post-college plans as "mathematician or Physicist" and his dream job is astronaut:InThePipes wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 6:11 amHedquist, Haider, Ullan, Bischel, Enright, Evenson, Moe, Robbel, Stauber, Stejkal are the 10 D1 committed goalies from 99 birth years forward and of that list one played their Sr year in high school.612hockeytown wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:34 pm
It’s been brought up a lot in recent topics - but name a 2000 birth year goalie and up (01/02/03) that stayed in high school and has committed to play college hockey? Some will yes- eventually, but many are now starting their first and second years of juniors (and only have 1-2 years of junior eligibility left). It’s tough. Scouts don’t take goalies serious in MNHS hockey. Stejskal (junior) and Haider (sophomore) are the only one I can think (recently in the last 5 years) of that committed while playing high school (before both left juniors). Imo both 100% made the right price. Jared Moe left after junior year, had a stellar year at Waterloo and turn committed to the U.
I’m sure I missed some? Even if so it’s not many.
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While I completely agree with you, why is this in your opinion (bold and underlined above)?InThePipes wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 9:38 amIt’s been brought up a lot in recent topics - but name a 2000 birth year goalie and up (01/02/03) that stayed in high school and has committed to play college hockey? Some will yes- eventually, but many are now starting their first and second years of juniors (and only have 1-2 years of junior eligibility left). It’s tough. Scouts don’t take goalies serious in MNHS hockey. Stejskal (junior) and Haider (sophomore) are the only one I can think (recently in the last 5 years) of that committed while playing high school (before both left juniors). Imo both 100% made the right price. Jared Moe left after junior year, had a stellar year at Waterloo and turn committed to the U.
I’m sure I missed some? Even if so it’s not many.
Agree, just thinking about recent Brimsek finalists as a starting point for goalies that played through MNHS here are a few names:ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 9:15 pmThis
A better metric to compare would be if MN HS goalies move on to Tier 1 or Tier 2 juniors at a higher or lower rate than full season U16 or U18 AAA goalies. My guess is it would be pretty darn similar.
This is a rule in North Dakota, that if you leave to play Tier 1 for a season you cannot come back to play HS Hockey? That sounds...really stupid.BleedGreen5 wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 10:47 amBoth the goalie this coming year and Lund left GF to go play AAA in South Dakota and per ND rules couldn't return to High School hockey. Basically were forced across the river and to the best of my knowledge were not openly recruited. Lund was a Puckhog (Dad was a East Sider), new goalie has thrown a wrench in to goalie position( Current parents are not overly happy about the situation) its a 50/50 proposition whether it's his job.Hockeylogger wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:53 pm
If this is pure hogwash why is Jeff Panzer's house for sale in Grand Fork's? I've heard it's a done deal that his kid is playing in EGF next year. A lot of people in EGF are going to have to quit throwing stones now that they live in a glass house.
There is going to be at least 6 forwards along with returners, that aren't going to give Panzer's kid their jobs very easily, besides the fact that Dad is not a very endearing character from across the River.
If East Side was recruiting, could think of 6 players I would have chosen first from GF.
They really don’t...? You can go 0-25 and still make sections - and you restart sections with a 0-0 record!! Ask Edin
Yeah, and starting with FB finalists is good, but to really get a good idea we need to look beyond that. So many examples of goalies who hardly excelled in high school and went on to play juniors and then D1. Again proving the point that goalies take a way longer path to development. Four examples going back a ways: Erik Anderson (was just above average for Chanhassen and is now playing D1 at Air Force), Jacob Berger (had below .900 sv% for Tonka his jr and sr year and is now at MN State), Adam Carlson (Edina goalie who played Jr Gold thru sr year, then played D1 and has since signed pro contract), Tommy Burke (Had decent jr and sr seasons at Holy Angels and went on to play 4 years D1 at Bowling Green after a couple in the NAHL).InThePipes wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 8:13 amAgree, just thinking about recent Brimsek finalists as a starting point for goalies that played through MNHS here are a few names:ThatMNHockeyGuy62 wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 9:15 pmThis
A better metric to compare would be if MN HS goalies move on to Tier 1 or Tier 2 juniors at a higher or lower rate than full season U16 or U18 AAA goalies. My guess is it would be pretty darn similar.
Alander - no junior that I'm aware of
Althaus - bounced around jrs, recently committed D3
Begley - GB of USHL and most recently NCDC
McEwen - Spent a season in Canada, nothing that I'm aware of recently
Garrity - NAHL last year, split time
Kelly - NAHL last year, played about 20%
Boynton - tendered by NAHL
Mueller - TBD
Glockner - TBD
I'm not saying kids shouldn't leave early. Many have absolutely benefited from it, for some it didn't work out, for a few others it possibly made no difference at all in their progression. But your reply doesn't really address my response to your previous point #5.yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 12:27 pm It's my opinion that SOME scouts "prefer" kids playing Tier 1 (or Juniors) over High School
Do I always agree with them...Of course not.. As with many things, sometime they are right and sometimes they are wrong.
Today GOOD scouts, college coaches and the top shelf advisers will rarely say "no worries jimmy and billy, just stay in High school until you graduate...You'll be fine" ....If you have the ability to play at the USHL level, they want you there as soon as you are ready.
High School hockey is hands down my favorite product to watch. But if the goal is to exceed to that next level (college) then the next level (pro), getting into a good junior program sooner than later is now the norm...5-10 years ago lots of MN kids went from HS straight to D-1....I'll be interested to see how that compares to what you will see 2,3,5 years from now....
Again..not hear to argue..Just giving you my opinion
Wayzata's State Tourney Champs were 16-8-1 in the regular season, won 6 more in post season to finish 22-8-1. Not gaudy, but not 7 wins either.612hockeytown wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 9:29 amThey really don’t...? You can go 0-25 and still make sections - and you restart sections with a 0-0 record!! Ask Edin
Ask Pat O’Leary and Wayzata after their 7 or something win regular season state tourney chip a few years ago. Weren’t they 0-3 or similar against Edina reg season?
Does it matter to the team, coaches, community? Yeah.
In the USHL / NAHL - you don’t make the playoffs with that kind of play.
It was the year after - they were 7-17-1 and made the state tourney. Didn’t win it all, made it.HockeyFan1969 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:06 amWayzata's State Tourney Champs were 16-8-1 in the regular season, won 6 more in post season to finish 22-8-1. Not gaudy, but not 7 wins either.612hockeytown wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 9:29 amThey really don’t...? You can go 0-25 and still make sections - and you restart sections with a 0-0 record!! Ask Edin
Ask Pat O’Leary and Wayzata after their 7 or something win regular season state tourney chip a few years ago. Weren’t they 0-3 or similar against Edina reg season?
Does it matter to the team, coaches, community? Yeah.
In the USHL / NAHL - you don’t make the playoffs with that kind of play.
I think everyone can agree that USHL/NAHL routes are far more competitive and most players and goalies have to go that route before playing next level hockey whether T1 or HS. I think the bigger question is the Tier 1 vs MN HS comparison.
For scouts, it sometimes comes down to asset allocation. A scout can sit in a single arena over a weekend and watch a bunch of T1 teams without switching hotels, can also talk to other scouts about guys and get a ton of info versus trying to juggle schedules and hit HS games at 6 arenas over a few days. Sometimes less about hockey and more about business/expense control. Not all cases, but certainly a portion.
This is exactly my point. It’s not a MN HS thing, it’s a goalies take longer thing. More often than not, the goalies who leave early to play Tier 1 or NAHL will still have to wait until they are 19 or 20 before stepping on campus.612hockeytown wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:46 am And correct - you can play through your senior year and play college hockey at the D1 level as a goalie. But you will have to play 1-2 years of juniors prior to that commitment way more often than not. Evenson was on his way to D3 until a nice NAHL run landed him at Army with little to spare time wise (aging out).
I believe it is more of a situation in which the players enrolled in another school which makes them ineligible. I also believe it is a one year penalty, not their entire HS time. Not positive the way this works, but dont believe it is a "hockey" issue as much as it being a school enrollment issue which results in loss of a year of eligibility.SCBlueLiner wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 8:30 amThis is a rule in North Dakota, that if you leave to play Tier 1 for a season you cannot come back to play HS Hockey? That sounds...really stupid.BleedGreen5 wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 10:47 amBoth the goalie this coming year and Lund left GF to go play AAA in South Dakota and per ND rules couldn't return to High School hockey. Basically were forced across the river and to the best of my knowledge were not openly recruited. Lund was a Puckhog (Dad was a East Sider), new goalie has thrown a wrench in to goalie position( Current parents are not overly happy about the situation) its a 50/50 proposition whether it's his job.Hockeylogger wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 11:53 pm
If this is pure hogwash why is Jeff Panzer's house for sale in Grand Fork's? I've heard it's a done deal that his kid is playing in EGF next year. A lot of people in EGF are going to have to quit throwing stones now that they live in a glass house.
There is going to be at least 6 forwards along with returners, that aren't going to give Panzer's kid their jobs very easily, besides the fact that Dad is not a very endearing character from across the River.
If East Side was recruiting, could think of 6 players I would have chosen first from GF.
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