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I think this is a fair, there is a place for it, but there are some limitations (just as there are some limitations with every other option).yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:34 am Doc Holiday
I think MNMade does an excellent job in early development.Their choice Mite league in really good for kids starting out. Plus it takes the pressure of associations who are already hurting for ice time. Most associations pile 40-50 mites on the ice for 45 minutes of babysitting. The training these young kids get is no where near the quality a mite kid can get at the Made
But that is where it stops. In my opinion kids should go back to their association come squirts. The real problem I have with Made is when they start trying to build out their Quebec team. Years ago kids would actually quit their pee wee team in the middle of the season to go play in this. If I was a pee wee coach, I would have said you leave the team and you're not coming back. Now kids have to play the whole year at Made. Kids actually give up one whole year of association hockey just to play in this one tournament.
Now this is were the Made lovers are going to come at me and say GREATEST EXPERIENECE EVER....I call BS....if that is truly the pinnacle of your kids hockey career than i truly feel sorry for you....I would take a weekend in Roseau over a week in quebec any time. My other problem with Made is that if you play thru Squits and pee wees, you're basically playing on the same 2 sheets of ice against the same 4-6 teams wearing the same bland colors over and over and over and over.. I think some kids get burnt out quickly with the repetition.
Understand this...I do applaud Bernie for his contribution to Minnesota hockey. It's not easy making a living selling ice. He's been an asset to so many kids...Made absolutely does the best job training the Mites. But in my opinion, that is were it should stop.
Roseau instead of playing 2 weeks in Quebec now that is funny! Ask anyone that has played in Quebec tournament and any MN youth tournament and they will say you're your out of your mind.yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:34 am Doc Holiday
I think MNMade does an excellent job in early development.Their choice Mite league in really good for kids starting out. Plus it takes the pressure of associations who are already hurting for ice time. Most associations pile 40-50 mites on the ice for 45 minutes of babysitting. The training these young kids get is no where near the quality a mite kid can get at the Made
But that is where it stops. In my opinion kids should go back to their association come squirts. The real problem I have with Made is when they start trying to build out their Quebec team. Years ago kids would actually quit their pee wee team in the middle of the season to go play in this. If I was a pee wee coach, I would have said you leave the team and you're not coming back. Now kids have to play the whole year at Made. Kids actually give up one whole year of association hockey just to play in this one tournament.
Now this is were the Made lovers are going to come at me and say GREATEST EXPERIENECE EVER....I call BS....if that is truly the pinnacle of your kids hockey career than i truly feel sorry for you....I would take a weekend in Roseau over a week in quebec any time. My other problem with Made is that if you play thru Squits and pee wees, you're basically playing on the same 2 sheets of ice against the same 4-6 teams wearing the same bland colors over and over and over and over.. I think some kids get burnt out quickly with the repetition.
Understand this...I do applaud Bernie for his contribution to Minnesota hockey. It's not easy making a living selling ice. He's been an asset to so many kids...Made absolutely does the best job training the Mites. But in my opinion, that is were it should stop.
Let's face it, if you're moving from out of state for hockey you're most likely going to move to an Edina, EP, maybe Stillwater or go to a private school. Not many people are going to move to MN for hockey and then settle in Apple Valley or Spring Lake Park (not that there is anything wrong with those communities at all). I'd file this one under "if you're going to move to MN to play HS hockey, go big or stay home".O-townClown wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:12 pm A few days and the tone of the comments is mildly against transfers, with several pointing out that the out-of-state aspect isn't as common - and may not be as bothersome - as movement within MSHSL schools. Trying to summarize multiple comments, so please nobody should feel like I'm saying exactly how they feel.
GB was the strongest in mentioning that families "moving to Minnesota for HS hockey" is a sign of strength, and a compliment to that level of play. A high-class "problem" if it is a problem at all.
Over the years no school has benefitted more from move-ins than Edina. Kids come into the community from within the State of Hockey's borders a, nd from faraway lands. Right or wrong, good or bad, there's no way to change the reality that whoever have strong programs at the time are more likely to benefit from migration. Like a magnet, the rich get richer.
Of these three options, I think Minnesota has it best.
* Kids move to Minnesota for HS hockey
* Kids move to various other states for Midget or Junior hockey
* Kids leave from non-traditional hockey states for higher level hockey
BumpInThePipes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:00 pmLet's face it, if you're moving from out of state for hockey you're most likely going to move to an Edina, EP, maybe Stillwater or go to a private school. Not many people are going to move to MN for hockey and then settle in Apple Valley or Spring Lake Park (not that there is anything wrong with those communities at all). I'd file this one under "if you're going to move to MN to play HS hockey, go big or stay home".O-townClown wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:12 pm A few days and the tone of the comments is mildly against transfers, with several pointing out that the out-of-state aspect isn't as common - and may not be as bothersome - as movement within MSHSL schools. Trying to summarize multiple comments, so please nobody should feel like I'm saying exactly how they feel.
GB was the strongest in mentioning that families "moving to Minnesota for HS hockey" is a sign of strength, and a compliment to that level of play. A high-class "problem" if it is a problem at all.
Over the years no school has benefitted more from move-ins than Edina. Kids come into the community from within the State of Hockey's borders a, nd from faraway lands. Right or wrong, good or bad, there's no way to change the reality that whoever have strong programs at the time are more likely to benefit from migration. Like a magnet, the rich get richer.
Of these three options, I think Minnesota has it best.
* Kids move to Minnesota for HS hockey
* Kids move to various other states for Midget or Junior hockey
* Kids leave from non-traditional hockey states for higher level hockey
Have you been to Quebec pee wee tournament YesIplayedhockey or had a son that played in it? Believe me it's better experience then any MN youth tournament.yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:30 am MN Scout...I've talked to plenty trust me...And I've gotten texts from parents while they were there...Social media tends to create this "everything is perfect" world but behind the scenes it's just not that way
But we are getting off topic and if someone wants to start a thread called "why a week in Quebec is better than a year of association" I'll be happy to add in my thoughts
I have not been to said Quebec tourney, but I have been to tourneys in Ontario and Manitoba that were not just a weekend, and imo, I did the same thing at the hotel as I did at any other mn youth tourney. I have no experience at the Quebec tourney, so I dont know how the games are formatted but I have my tourneys were 20 minutes stop time with a zam every period and 6 games gauranteed. I got a ton of ice, and the road trip was fun, but playing in the weekend tourneys in Hibbing and Roseau have just as much value to me historically than those tourneys in Canada. For the most part, they were with the same kids. Who cares who you play against, its who you play with that makes the experience cool FOR THE KIDSminnscout wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:28 pmHave you been to Quebec pee wee tournament YesIplayedhockey or had a son that played in it? Believe me it's better experience then any MN youth tournament.yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:30 am MN Scout...I've talked to plenty trust me...And I've gotten texts from parents while they were there...Social media tends to create this "everything is perfect" world but behind the scenes it's just not that way
But we are getting off topic and if someone wants to start a thread called "why a week in Quebec is better than a year of association" I'll be happy to add in my thoughts
Minnscout is just a tad biased given he coaches at the Quebec tournament and has forked over the money himself for his kid to play in it. He is obviously happy with his decision, and I’m sure his kid is too, so for them that’s the right decision. Doesn’t mean it’s the best for most.yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:45 pm just let it go scout...let it go......I'm not going to argue with you on if the tournament is a good one or not..But to try and convince me that one weekend in quebec is worth giving up a whole season of association hockey is laughable at best. You're better than that..
Thanks, I have been to tournaments all over MN, US and Canada. Quebec PeeWee tournament is by far the best experience. It's not even the hockey but the kids staying with billet families and all the other activities the kids participated in. Memories of a lifetime for the kids. Many of the families and kids they met on that trip are still friends today.yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:13 am Thanks for clarifying
I agree with Scout that it's very well run.....and attended. Their budget is "a little bigger" than the budget of the local associations that are run by a group of volunteers
My issue with these tournaments (this and the brick) is that it's a coach to win tournament to early in these kids life. We are fortunate to have our association model here in Minnesota and one of the great benefits is we don't have to travel far to play good hockey..Most pee wee coaches are, I hope, pretty much rolling lines even in the tightest of games..
These "all star teams" typically come with a short bench, stressed out parents and kids that for the first time in their life walk away not understanding why 4,5,6 kids got all the ice time. I'm sure some coaches are better than others at "running the bench'. But overall If you surveyed every parent that sat in the stands for those 7-10 days, close to half would be disappointed (like i said earlier, I've received those texts). I also heard MN Made was banned for a couple years. I can't remember why
Not here to pick a fight scout. I thank you for volunteering to coach a bunch of kids. I hope you continue to do so in the town you live.
MN Made doesn't send a team every year, they're not an automatic entry. The 03's went, the 04's and 05's did not, last year it was the 06's turn. The 07's might go (big maybe) and I highly doubt the 08's will go.O-townClown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:45 am Pee Wee Quebec is wonderful, no doubt. It's more than a hockey tournament because it is in large part a vacation. Consider that when comparing to others.
A friend grew up in Quebec and now lives in South Florida. Schools are off that week in Quebec, so kids aren't sacrificing that. He was puzzled how so many kids from all over the world get pulled out of school for a week-plus of 12-year old hockey. His quote, "I played in Pee Wee Quebec as a kid. I lived there."
From these posts, it seems to some Minnesotans "Pee Wee Quebec" is more than it would be to others. It is a marketing hook for Made, so the more appealing it sounds the better off they are. My suspicion is a great deal of the appeal for some is the not-everybody-can-do-this mindset derided as "checkbook hockey".
Pretty far off topic here. We'll never all agree on whether it is good, bad, or a non-issue to have people move to Minnesota for HS hockey. There's definitely a NIMBY mindset in some of these comments. GB sees it elevating the whole, while others look solely at the impact it has had in their community.
The eligibility rules have certainly changed some over time. When I was in high school (mid-00s), East had a couple of out of state transfers who the activities office incorrectly ruled immediately eligible, when in fact they were supposed to sit out half the season. As a result, the Hounds had to forfeit a bunch of games. I vaguely remember the current one year sit-out without a move/no sit-out with a move coming into being a year or two later.Stang5280 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:16 pm While there may be more high school age players moving into Minnesota now, this isn’t exactly a new issue. If memory serves, both Eastview and Eagan had kids move into the district from other states during some of their respective tournament runs. The 2000-01 (?) Jefferson team featured in the book “Blades of Glory” also had a goalie who moved in from Colorado as a junior. The MSHSL residency rules didn’t seem to be as strictly enforced then, either.