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AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by WestMetro » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:49 am

With at least 35 points through Feb 1.

 Name  Team  G  A  PTS
Matthew Gleason Cretin-Derham Hall 35 31 66
Joey Malugani Rochester Century 32 28 60
Lyncoln Bielenberg-Howarth Rochester Century 25 35 60
Adam Flammang St. Michael-Albertville 29 23 52
Joe Miller Blake 21 29 50
Cole Hansen Blaine 21 28 49
Christian Galatz Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 29 19 48
Luc Laylin St. Michael-Albertville 22 26 48
Luke Levandowski Rosemount 26 21 47
Carson VanZuilen Northfield 13 33 46
Spencer Klotz Northfield 23 21 44
Gavin Gunderson Rochester Century 17 26 43
Luke Johnson St. Cloud 16 27 43
Cullen Gess Moorhead 12 31 43
Caden Triggs Moorhead 28 15 43
Carsen Richels Blaine 22 21 43
Chase Freiermuth Hastings 17 25 42
Casy Laylin St. Michael-Albertville 8 34 42
Lleyton Roed White Bear Lake 19 23 42
Ben Steeves Eden Prairie 22 18 40
John Mittelstadt Eden Prairie 14 26 40
Billy Rose White Bear Lake 11 29 40
AJ Beugen Minnehaha Academy 18 21 39
Owen Neuharth Academy of Holy Angels 14 25 39
Zach Michaelis Elk River/Zimmerman 21 18 39
Kyle Heffron Totino-Grace 19 20 39
August Falloon St. Cloud 21 17 38
Gavin Best Blake 14 24 38
Max Strand Roseau 17 21 38
Nick Pierre Hill-Murray 13 25 38
Avery Pittman St. Louis Park 20 18 38
Hunter Jones Andover 11 27 38
Jack Nei Cretin-Derham Hall 16 22 38
Blake Keller St. Cloud 16 21 37
Jack Sabre Blake 13 24 37
Kade Nielsen Burnsville 15 22 37
Drew Fisher Cretin-Derham Hall 14 23 37
Noah Griswold Academy of Holy Angels 13 23 36
Lucas Jorgenson Holy Family 5 31 36
Connor Nelson Minnehaha Academy 15 20 35
Carter Johnson Moorhead 10 25 35
Jacob Fritz Spring Lake Park 14 21 35
Trey Fechko Holy Family 18 17 35

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:04 pm

Blake Biondi HT 31-29-60pts. He’s de facto AA

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Section 8 guy » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:57 pm

Nobody is catching Gleason at this point. While Hermantown has played some strong AA teams their schedule still has a pretty strong A flavor to it so probably not a perfect translation.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:19 am

Section 8 guy wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:57 pm
Nobody is catching Gleason at this point. While Hermantown has played some strong AA teams their schedule still has a pretty strong A flavor to it so probably not a perfect translation.
I wouldn’t be to sure of that, Gleason has 3 games remaining, Stillwater, Forest Lake & WBL. Biondi has 5 games left, Virginia, St Cloud, Superior, LVS & GR. Biondi has 60 points in 20 games, Gleason has 66 points in 22 games. Agree Gleason will have the most points for AA teams, that’s true. But then there’s de facto AA Hermantown. And between those 2 players, it will go down to the wire, in addition to which of these 2 players is named Mr. Hockey ☝️

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:51 am

I was referring to the AA race and AA players not catching Gleason since that’s the title of the thread. Biondi plays in Class A and plays a class A schedule.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by gitter » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:24 am

Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:51 am
I was referring to the AA race and AA players not catching Gleason since that’s the title of the thread. Biondi plays in Class A and plays a class A schedule.
According to PageStat....the SOS (as of 2/1) regardless of A or AA designation...CDH and Hermantown are 33 and 35 respectively....not significantly different. As such it's probably a fair comparison for Gleason and Biondi.

https://www.minnhock.com/strength.htm

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:38 am

Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:51 am
I was referring to the AA race and AA players not catching Gleason since that’s the title of the thread. Biondi plays in Class A and plays a class A schedule.
I respectfully disagree about Biondi playing a true Class A schedule, they simply don’t 😉 But I agree with your overall assertion regarding (strictly) AA scoring.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by InThePipes » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:00 pm

hockey59 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:38 am
Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:51 am
I was referring to the AA race and AA players not catching Gleason since that’s the title of the thread. Biondi plays in Class A and plays a class A schedule.
I respectfully disagree about Biondi playing a true Class A schedule, they simply don’t 😉 But I agree with your overall assertion regarding (strictly) AA scoring.
The reality is their strength of schedules is nearly identical to date if you believe PageStat :D

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by The Exiled One » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:03 pm

The scoring race is one thing. The Mr. Hockey race is a completely different thing. The scoring race will have little impact on the Mr. Hockey race, which is incredibly close, IMHO. Here's my current thought on that...

1a. Gleason
1b. Biondi

They are both incredibly important to their respective teams, which are both good teams. These are the only two I think can win it.

3a. Blake Perbix (have to pick one player from the stellar SCC team, might as well be the leading scorer)
3b. Grant Slukynsky
3c. Evan Bushy (no chance to win, but nobody has carried their team more)

The rest of the field is a crap shoot.
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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Blue Line » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:57 pm

The Exiled One wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:03 pm
The scoring race is one thing. The Mr. Hockey race is a completely different thing. The scoring race will have little impact on the Mr. Hockey race, which is incredibly close, IMHO. Here's my current thought on that...

1a. Gleason
1b. Biondi

They are both incredibly important to their respective teams, which are both good teams. These are the only two I think can win it.

3a. Blake Perbix (have to pick one player from the stellar SCC team, might as well be the leading scorer)
3b. Grant Slukynsky
3c. Evan Bushy (no chance to win, but nobody has carried their team more)
3d. Joe Miller (got to get at least one gopher recruit in there!)

The rest of the field is a crap shoot.
You have to wait until next year for Miller since he is a junior.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by The Exiled One » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:01 pm

Blue Line wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:57 pm
You have to wait until next year for Miller since he is a junior.
I thought I had checked for that. Oops.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Section 8 guy » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm

Overall strength of schedule can be pretty misleading when it comes to point production. Two teams could have fairly similar overall SoS.....but if one of them has 5 games on their schedule where a top player has the potential to pile up 25-30 points in those 5 games and the other team doesn’t have any of those type of games that’s a game changer for a player accumulating numbers. There’s always context which is why it’s hard to compare.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by InThePipes » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:09 pm

Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm
Overall strength of schedule can be pretty misleading when it comes to point production. Two teams could have fairly similar overall SoS.....but if one of them has 5 games on their schedule where a top player has the potential to pile up 25-30 points in those 5 games and the other team doesn’t have any of those type of games that’s a game changer for a player accumulating numbers.
Exactly why folks can't get too caught up in stats. It's a piece of information, but shouldn't decide much of anything by itself.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by gitter » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:26 pm

Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm
Overall strength of schedule can be pretty misleading when it comes to point production. Two teams could have fairly similar overall SoS.....but if one of them has 5 games on their schedule where a top player has the potential to pile up 25-30 points in those 5 games and the other team doesn’t have any of those type of games that’s a game changer for a player accumulating numbers.
Got it. So CDH has no cupcakes on their schedule because they are AA playing a AA schedule.
Section 8 guy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm
There’s always context which is why it’s hard to compare.
But here you are in this thread trying to compare Biondi and Gleason....because in your mind Class A is the only reason Biondi is close to Gleason in points.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by Bayside Tigers » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:39 pm

I want to know who is Mr High School Hockey Forum this year.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by WarmUpTheBus » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:45 pm

The Exiled One wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:03 pm
The scoring race is one thing. The Mr. Hockey race is a completely different thing. The scoring race will have little impact on the Mr. Hockey race, which is incredibly close, IMHO. Here's my current thought on that...

1a. Gleason
1b. Biondi

They are both incredibly important to their respective teams, which are both good teams. These are the only two I think can win it.

3a. Blake Perbix (have to pick one player from the stellar SCC team, might as well be the leading scorer)
3b. Grant Slukynsky
3c. Evan Bushy (no chance to win, but nobody has carried their team more)

The rest of the field is a crap shoot.
If the scoring race has little impact on the Mr. Hockey race why are their no defensemen on your list. I would put Wyatt Kaiser at 1c. and end the list there. It would not be an injustice if any of those 3 won it.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by TheNightman » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:47 pm

The Exiled One wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:03 pm
The scoring race is one thing. The Mr. Hockey race is a completely different thing. The scoring race will have little impact on the Mr. Hockey race, which is incredibly close, IMHO. Here's my current thought on that...

1a. Gleason
1b. Biondi

They are both incredibly important to their respective teams, which are both good teams. These are the only two I think can win it.

3a. Blake Perbix (have to pick one player from the stellar SCC team, might as well be the leading scorer)
3b. Grant Slukynsky
3c. Evan Bushy (no chance to win, but nobody has carried their team more)

The rest of the field is a crap shoot.
I think Kaiser, Schweitzer, and Richels would all be above those three.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by goldy313 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:03 pm

Section 8 guy wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:57 pm
Nobody is catching Gleason at this point. While Hermantown has played some strong AA teams their schedule still has a pretty strong A flavor to it so probably not a perfect translation.
The 2 Century kids are both 6 points behind with 4 games left; Owatonna, Northfield, Winona, and Breck. Not exactly a gauntlet. I’d give one of the 2 a 33% chance to catch him.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by The Exiled One » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:02 pm

WarmUpTheBus wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:45 pm
If the scoring race has little impact on the Mr. Hockey race why are their no defensemen on your list. I would put Wyatt Kaiser at 1c. and end the list there. It would not be an injustice if any of those 3 won it.
Bushy is a defenseman. I don't have a problem with Kaiser, Schweitzer, or Richels being named finalists, but I don't think Kaiser will beat out Biondi or Gleason.

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by BodyShots » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:20 pm

hockey59 wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:04 pm
Blake Biondi HT 31-29-60pts. He’s de facto AA
I DON'T CARE. The topic is AA Scoring. Herm is minor leagues and doesn't get to be listed on this post. STOP THE MADDNESS! =;

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:29 pm

BodyShots wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:20 pm
hockey59 wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:04 pm
Blake Biondi HT 31-29-60pts. He’s de facto AA
I DON'T CARE. The topic is AA Scoring. Herm is minor leagues and doesn't get to be listed on this post. STOP THE MADDNESS! =;
If there’s a harsher critic (than ME) of Hermantown continuing to play “single a”...I’m not sure who it is (probably Jeffy). But...Biondi’s brilliance can’t be brushed aside because the powers that be at HT (leaders & school administrators) are utter morons ☝️

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by BodyShots » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:33 pm

=;
hockey59 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:29 pm
BodyShots wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:20 pm
hockey59 wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:04 pm
Blake Biondi HT 31-29-60pts. He’s de facto AA
I DON'T CARE. The topic is AA Scoring. Herm is minor leagues and doesn't get to be listed on this post. STOP THE MADDNESS! =;
If there’s a harsher critic (than ME) of Hermantown continuing to play “single a”...I’m not sure who it is (probably Jeffy). But...Biondi’s brilliance can’t be brushed aside because the powers that be at HT (leaders & school administrators) are utter morons ☝️
=;

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by hockey59 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:47 pm

Everyone has opinions :mrgreen:

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by BodyShots » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:55 pm

hockey59 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:47 pm
Everyone has opinions :mrgreen:
He could have transferred to East or CEC! :wink:

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Re: AA scoring leaders through Feb 1

Post by LSQRANK » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:08 pm

A good way to evaluate scoring leaders to account for the level of play is to normalize the raw scoring data with respect to the quality of the opposing team, its goalie and the quality of the scoring team. Once you run the numbers for these considerations, then you get a true picture of the most talented scoring leaders in the state. This was done for the MN Girls data back two years ago and what it showed was that the NCAA D1 commits rose to the top of the list, while the girls who were piling up scoring point against extremely weak competition dropped down to about average.

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