jg2112 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:59 pm
blueline_6 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:28 pm
jg2112 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am
130,000 are dead.
Posts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic. Other nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
jg2112 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amOther nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
Please elaborate, I would like to know which "other nations" are completely open and free to do whatever they want without any restrictions (social distancing, masks, closed borders, etc.). Everything I read about nations that have re-opened or begun to re-open seems to indicate they are all experiencing the same thing - an increase in cases.
But why is this so surprising? We were told the intent of the lockdown was not to beat the virus but rather to allow the health care industry to prepare for the inevitable. So now that we are opening up why is it headline news that there is an increase in cases? That was expected (not to mention the fact we are testing more so yea, more tests = more positive tests). We shouldn't be concerned with how many people are testing positive, we should be concerned with what percentage of positive tests result in death and what is the profile of those that have died. That is how we can understand the threat. Unfortunately "they" don't want us to understand that because it is better for "them" if we are all afraid.
jg2112 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am130,000 are dead.
Those 130,000 are people that had COVID-19 at their time of death. That is not the same as saying 130,000 people died of COVID-19. The death numbers have been skewed since day one.
jg2112 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amPosts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic.
Right. Mass protests, riots, autonomous zones and putting infected patients in nursing homes are all very healthy ways to combat a pandemic. It's posters like HockeyCrazy that are responsible for the increase in cases.
People that have cancer, that die in a car wreck, do not die from cancer.
Good luck this winter, everyone.
Seriously? I don't check in until 2:30am, right as I'm about to lay down and go to sleep and, because some of you decide to say some ridiculous, off the wall baloney, you force me to spend the time crafting a response at 2:30 in the morning.
First off, "Crazy"...your graph is actually very accurate and you are correct that the overall fatality rate has begun to drop the last 4 weeks. However, both John Hopkins and WorldoMeter, two of the most respected Covid trackers world wide, both have the U.S. fatality rate at a little over 4%. Will that be the final rate? No, it will probably drop a fair amount as you the only way you can truly get the most accurate fatality rate, is to compare deaths to all resolved cases due to the fact that deaths lag infections by 3-6 weeks.
You realize our fatality rate is FAR WORSE than S. Korea, Australia, Germany, and numerous other advanced Democracies. Plus, almost every expert I've read or heard interviewed with any actual expertise in epidemiology or virology is saying that, not only are we vastly under-counting infections due to our sub-standard testing regimen (and that's a strong upgrade from the description I would've used from March thru June 1) -- under-counting by 10 to 12 times but, deaths due to Covid are also under-counted by as much as 10%. The point is, this virus is still FAR more lethal than the flu.
Next, again I remind you that hospitalizations lag infections by 5-14 days and, deaths lag infections by usually 4-6 weeks. This latest significant rise in infections in Florida, Texas, Arizona, and southern California only started taking off about two weeks ago. Let's come back to your post in 2 or 3 weeks and see how deaths are trending. Will it climb like it did in the Northeast? Probably not as the elderly are buying in to staying at home and wearing masks far better than they were a month ago, we're much better at treating it now than we were even a month ago, and the fact that the majority of even significant symptomatic people in many of the current situations are younger than 50 will probably all combine for a slower, more gradual increase in death than what the Northeast experienced. However, the number of daily deaths WILL INCREASE.
But hey, if you want to isolate yourself within a certain information bubble and not be exposed to science and real facts, it's obviously a free country. Just curious, why is it ok for the government to mandate seat belts, or helmets for motorcycle riders in some states, yet it's taking away your freedoms to force you to wear a mask to try and help the greater common good of society get through a once in a 100 year pandemic? I'm really interested to hear your response to that. What happened to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one"?
You do realize that having the vast majority of the populations of the countries doing better than us accepting the wearing of masks is what the experts are pointing to in why those countries have been able to significantly slow the spread? You do also realize that over 200 experts in virology and epidemiology just submitted a letter to the WHO stating there is very strong evidence the virus is spreading thru aerosolization? That means when you even exhale just by breathing you're expelling virus in such small particles into the air that the particles can attach themselves to dust and remain airborne in an enclosed room for as many as 2-3 hours or even longer? That's why we have these significant spreading events indoors. You know what the best current defense is against that kind of spread? That's right, a freaking mask...
To "blueline"...just curious, do you understand the definition of the word "nuance"? Obviously, even the countries that are doing far better than us in dealing with this virus still have some restrictions in place. And yes, most that have "opened up" over the last month have had some increase in cases. Some countries more than others. However, not even the countries with the most increases have had anywhere close to the degree of resurgence in cases that we're currently experiencing. Is that really that difficult for you to understand? It's not "headline news" that there's an increase, it's headline news that it's as big as it is, especially when compared to how other countries have done.
Again I ask, why is that so bloody hard to understand? Especially when literally almost every legitimate expert in relation to this virus was saying it was way too early for any of these states to open up. Not ONE STATE met the CDC guidelines for re-opening. Some of these states were only in a hard lock down for a couple weeks, Funny how Florida, Texas, and Arizona all opened up right around May 1st. All three basically opened up full bore by May 20th. Huh, about 4 weeks before the infection numbers really started climbing in those states. Wonder who could've predicted that?...Oh, that's right, just about every respected expert involved with the virus...
And, I'll re-ask the question "blueline", who is the "they" you are referencing and why is "it" better for them if we focus on the facts of the infection, hospitalization, and ICU numbers? Please, be specific, I'm really interested in hearing what your response is.