Will there be high school hockey for 2020-2021?

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jg2112
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goldy313 wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:59 pm The Rochester Mayor and city council just put the most restrictive mask order in the nation. It makes masks mandatory in all public buildings, bars, restaurants, retail stores, gyms, sports facilities, recreation and fitness centers, and outside when 6 feet of distance can not be maintained. This order is in effect through September 4h unless Gov. Walz ends his emergency declaration sooner or the mayor extends the order longer. The order does not apply to County, State, or Federal properties.

Hockey is done as it can’t be practiced with a mask on, baseball is now done, there will be no football, basketball, soccer, or volleyball practice. It makes school starting on time very unlikely.

Also, the MCAC, the group that runs Community College sports in Minnesota canceled all fall sports.
It's really outrageous how terribly we all screwed this up in America.

It's also really annoying that a national mask requirement on March 10 until now would have done wonders to control this virus. Unbelievably annoying that we couldn't even come together for this, and now we're potentially going to lose another 6-9 months of sports / bars / restaurants / entertainment.
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jg2112 wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:12 pm It's also really annoying that a national mask requirement on March 10 until now would have done wonders to control this virus. Unbelievably annoying that we couldn't even come together for this, and now we're potentially going to lose another 6-9 months of sports / bars / restaurants / entertainment.
I'm coming to the conclusion that a national mask requirement would have only inevitably delayed the spread. We still would have lost at least "another 6-9 months of "sports / bars / restaurants / entertainment" because a good percentage of the population will never agree to wear a mask indefinitely, in all venues. And many of the masks out there are woefully inadequate. The virus will remain, and until a vaccine is developed and proven effective, many people will not be consistently fully protected...and it will still continue to spread, albeit at a slower rate.

The end result: We'll likely not be able to enjoy all these sports and other "fun things" for an even longer period of time, as authorities decree that the risk of continued spread is still too real to justify opening up those activities where person-to-person contact is inevitable.
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This is all such BS.
Nothing but fear mongering, dictating, and controlling.
"Stop the spread, safety, wear a mask, shelter in place, disease, cases are skyrocketing, the second wave, the new normal, yada yada yada"
Pathetic!!!
Notice how no one talks about death any more???
All you hear about are the cases and infection.
Look at this chart and tell me this is worth destroying a country over, and worth giving up so many freedoms for, and worth completely losing normalcy over.
Call it a "protest" so we can pack in shoulder to shoulder; and drop the damn puck!
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jg2112
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HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:13 am This is all such BS.
Nothing but fear mongering, dictating, and controlling.
"Stop the spread, safety, wear a mask, shelter in place, disease, cases are skyrocketing, the second wave, the new normal, yada yada yada"
Pathetic!!!
Notice how no one talks about death any more???
All you hear about are the cases and infection.
Look at this chart and tell me this is worth destroying a country over, and worth giving up so many freedoms for, and worth completely losing normalcy over.
Call it a "protest" so we can pack in shoulder to shoulder; and drop the damn puck!
130,000 are dead.

Posts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic. Other nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
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And that is in Minnesota only. Look at national numbers.
Use sources like CDC or MHD. Reliable sources.
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jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am
HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:13 am This is all such BS.
Nothing but fear mongering, dictating, and controlling.
"Stop the spread, safety, wear a mask, shelter in place, disease, cases are skyrocketing, the second wave, the new normal, yada yada yada"
Pathetic!!!
Notice how no one talks about death any more???
All you hear about are the cases and infection.
Look at this chart and tell me this is worth destroying a country over, and worth giving up so many freedoms for, and worth completely losing normalcy over.
Call it a "protest" so we can pack in shoulder to shoulder; and drop the damn puck!
130,000 are dead.

Posts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic. Other nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amOther nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
Please elaborate, I would like to know which "other nations" are completely open and free to do whatever they want without any restrictions (social distancing, masks, closed borders, etc.). Everything I read about nations that have re-opened or begun to re-open seems to indicate they are all experiencing the same thing - an increase in cases.

But why is this so surprising? We were told the intent of the lockdown was not to beat the virus but rather to allow the health care industry to prepare for the inevitable. So now that we are opening up why is it headline news that there is an increase in cases? That was expected (not to mention the fact we are testing more so yea, more tests = more positive tests). We shouldn't be concerned with how many people are testing positive, we should be concerned with what percentage of positive tests result in death and what is the profile of those that have died. That is how we can understand the threat. Unfortunately "they" don't want us to understand that because it is better for "them" if we are all afraid.
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am130,000 are dead.
Those 130,000 are people that had COVID-19 at their time of death. That is not the same as saying 130,000 people died of COVID-19. The death numbers have been skewed since day one.
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amPosts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic.
Right. Mass protests, riots, autonomous zones and putting infected patients in nursing homes are all very healthy ways to combat a pandemic. It's posters like HockeyCrazy that are responsible for the increase in cases.
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blueline_6 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:28 pm
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am
HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:13 am This is all such BS.
Nothing but fear mongering, dictating, and controlling.
"Stop the spread, safety, wear a mask, shelter in place, disease, cases are skyrocketing, the second wave, the new normal, yada yada yada"
Pathetic!!!
Notice how no one talks about death any more???
All you hear about are the cases and infection.
Look at this chart and tell me this is worth destroying a country over, and worth giving up so many freedoms for, and worth completely losing normalcy over.
Call it a "protest" so we can pack in shoulder to shoulder; and drop the damn puck!
130,000 are dead.

Posts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic. Other nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amOther nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
Please elaborate, I would like to know which "other nations" are completely open and free to do whatever they want without any restrictions (social distancing, masks, closed borders, etc.). Everything I read about nations that have re-opened or begun to re-open seems to indicate they are all experiencing the same thing - an increase in cases.

But why is this so surprising? We were told the intent of the lockdown was not to beat the virus but rather to allow the health care industry to prepare for the inevitable. So now that we are opening up why is it headline news that there is an increase in cases? That was expected (not to mention the fact we are testing more so yea, more tests = more positive tests). We shouldn't be concerned with how many people are testing positive, we should be concerned with what percentage of positive tests result in death and what is the profile of those that have died. That is how we can understand the threat. Unfortunately "they" don't want us to understand that because it is better for "them" if we are all afraid.
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am130,000 are dead.
Those 130,000 are people that had COVID-19 at their time of death. That is not the same as saying 130,000 people died of COVID-19. The death numbers have been skewed since day one.
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amPosts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic.
Right. Mass protests, riots, autonomous zones and putting infected patients in nursing homes are all very healthy ways to combat a pandemic. It's posters like HockeyCrazy that are responsible for the increase in cases.
People that have cancer, that die in a car wreck, do not die from cancer.

Good luck this winter, everyone.
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blueline_6 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:28 pm Those 130,000 are people that had COVID-19 at their time of death. That is not the same as saying 130,000 people died of COVID-19. The death numbers have been skewed since day one.
Seriously? No offense but this has to be one of the dumbest things I've read about this. So you're saying that's it's just a coincidence that these 130,000 had COVID-19 but died of other causes? Fine, let's play along with that flawed logic... recent studies have shown that only about 5% of people in certain areas of the US have had COVID-19. Other estimates say that people in hard hit areas like New York may be at about 20-25% that have had it. Let's wildly overestimate and say that 25% of people in the US have had COVID-19. Therefore, we could surmise that 25% of those 130,000 people actually died from something unrelated to COVID-19. That means only 97,500 people died directly from COVID-19. Does that make you feel better? :roll:
blueline_6 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:28 pm Unfortunately "they" don't want us to understand that because it is better for "them" if we are all afraid.
Just curious... who is "they" and how do "they" benefit from people being afraid. You know what, never mind.
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Have anyone on this site read the risk factors for this disease.
Yes age is one factor.
How about obesity, anyone notice that is on the list?
How about any chronic respiratory illness?
Right now the majority of the people catching this thing are 20-40 year olds who think it won’t effect them and won’t follow guidelines. Great. Go to the bar and get everyone in the place sick, go to hockey rink and pass it to your best friends, Let’s for one minute think about others when it comes to this pandemic! Just for one minute.


When we sneeze do you cover your face?
When you finish in the bathroom do you wash your hands?
When you eat do you wash your hands before dinner?
99% of America does this.
Put a mask on when you leave your house? Why because it’s the right thing to do just like washing hands, covering a cough. If we all did this the pandemic would substantially decline. COME ON PEOPLE! JUST DO I T!
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jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:59 pm
blueline_6 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:28 pm
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am

130,000 are dead.

Posts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic. Other nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amOther nations are open because people worked together. They didn’t go on about freedom, they just acted with maturity and, now, they’re free to do what they want this summer!!
Please elaborate, I would like to know which "other nations" are completely open and free to do whatever they want without any restrictions (social distancing, masks, closed borders, etc.). Everything I read about nations that have re-opened or begun to re-open seems to indicate they are all experiencing the same thing - an increase in cases.

But why is this so surprising? We were told the intent of the lockdown was not to beat the virus but rather to allow the health care industry to prepare for the inevitable. So now that we are opening up why is it headline news that there is an increase in cases? That was expected (not to mention the fact we are testing more so yea, more tests = more positive tests). We shouldn't be concerned with how many people are testing positive, we should be concerned with what percentage of positive tests result in death and what is the profile of those that have died. That is how we can understand the threat. Unfortunately "they" don't want us to understand that because it is better for "them" if we are all afraid.
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 am130,000 are dead.
Those 130,000 are people that had COVID-19 at their time of death. That is not the same as saying 130,000 people died of COVID-19. The death numbers have been skewed since day one.
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:42 amPosts like this are part of the reason why America stands alone in failing to control the pandemic.
Right. Mass protests, riots, autonomous zones and putting infected patients in nursing homes are all very healthy ways to combat a pandemic. It's posters like HockeyCrazy that are responsible for the increase in cases.
People that have cancer, that die in a car wreck, do not die from cancer.

Good luck this winter, everyone.
Seriously? I don't check in until 2:30am, right as I'm about to lay down and go to sleep and, because some of you decide to say some ridiculous, off the wall baloney, you force me to spend the time crafting a response at 2:30 in the morning. :roll:

First off, "Crazy"...your graph is actually very accurate and you are correct that the overall fatality rate has begun to drop the last 4 weeks. However, both John Hopkins and WorldoMeter, two of the most respected Covid trackers world wide, both have the U.S. fatality rate at a little over 4%. Will that be the final rate? No, it will probably drop a fair amount as you the only way you can truly get the most accurate fatality rate, is to compare deaths to all resolved cases due to the fact that deaths lag infections by 3-6 weeks.

You realize our fatality rate is FAR WORSE than S. Korea, Australia, Germany, and numerous other advanced Democracies. Plus, almost every expert I've read or heard interviewed with any actual expertise in epidemiology or virology is saying that, not only are we vastly under-counting infections due to our sub-standard testing regimen (and that's a strong upgrade from the description I would've used from March thru June 1) -- under-counting by 10 to 12 times but, deaths due to Covid are also under-counted by as much as 10%. The point is, this virus is still FAR more lethal than the flu.

Next, again I remind you that hospitalizations lag infections by 5-14 days and, deaths lag infections by usually 4-6 weeks. This latest significant rise in infections in Florida, Texas, Arizona, and southern California only started taking off about two weeks ago. Let's come back to your post in 2 or 3 weeks and see how deaths are trending. Will it climb like it did in the Northeast? Probably not as the elderly are buying in to staying at home and wearing masks far better than they were a month ago, we're much better at treating it now than we were even a month ago, and the fact that the majority of even significant symptomatic people in many of the current situations are younger than 50 will probably all combine for a slower, more gradual increase in death than what the Northeast experienced. However, the number of daily deaths WILL INCREASE.

But hey, if you want to isolate yourself within a certain information bubble and not be exposed to science and real facts, it's obviously a free country. Just curious, why is it ok for the government to mandate seat belts, or helmets for motorcycle riders in some states, yet it's taking away your freedoms to force you to wear a mask to try and help the greater common good of society get through a once in a 100 year pandemic? I'm really interested to hear your response to that. What happened to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one"?

You do realize that having the vast majority of the populations of the countries doing better than us accepting the wearing of masks is what the experts are pointing to in why those countries have been able to significantly slow the spread? You do also realize that over 200 experts in virology and epidemiology just submitted a letter to the WHO stating there is very strong evidence the virus is spreading thru aerosolization? That means when you even exhale just by breathing you're expelling virus in such small particles into the air that the particles can attach themselves to dust and remain airborne in an enclosed room for as many as 2-3 hours or even longer? That's why we have these significant spreading events indoors. You know what the best current defense is against that kind of spread? That's right, a freaking mask...

To "blueline"...just curious, do you understand the definition of the word "nuance"? Obviously, even the countries that are doing far better than us in dealing with this virus still have some restrictions in place. And yes, most that have "opened up" over the last month have had some increase in cases. Some countries more than others. However, not even the countries with the most increases have had anywhere close to the degree of resurgence in cases that we're currently experiencing. Is that really that difficult for you to understand? It's not "headline news" that there's an increase, it's headline news that it's as big as it is, especially when compared to how other countries have done.

Again I ask, why is that so bloody hard to understand? Especially when literally almost every legitimate expert in relation to this virus was saying it was way too early for any of these states to open up. Not ONE STATE met the CDC guidelines for re-opening. Some of these states were only in a hard lock down for a couple weeks, Funny how Florida, Texas, and Arizona all opened up right around May 1st. All three basically opened up full bore by May 20th. Huh, about 4 weeks before the infection numbers really started climbing in those states. Wonder who could've predicted that?...Oh, that's right, just about every respected expert involved with the virus... :roll:

And, I'll re-ask the question "blueline", who is the "they" you are referencing and why is "it" better for them if we focus on the facts of the infection, hospitalization, and ICU numbers? Please, be specific, I'm really interested in hearing what your response is. :mrgreen:
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MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — COVID-19 cases are rising, but the average age of the patients continues to drop.
In Edina, for example, most of the people getting sick used to be about 57 years old. In the last two weeks, the average age dropped to around 19 years old.

Edina health officials say young people don’t seem to be getting it from places like bars or restaurants.
Seventy-four percent of the 154 new cases in Edina since June 25 are in people under 25. WCCO asked brothers Patrick and Elias Wehr how people their age are socializing right now
“To be honest, kind of normally, I mean, past couple of months when it all began it was very uptight and everything, but … I don’t think people are following it,” Patrick said.
“People are tired of just staying inside and FaceTiming and doing all those Zoom calls,” Elias said. “No one wants to do that, so people are getting out and socializing and doing gatherings like they used to.”
Mayor Jim Hovland says contact tracing reveals that’s exactly how young people are getting it.
“They’re at house parties, they’re at bonfires, on trips to the cabin, and they go out somewhere, and then organized sports,” Hovland said.
The Edina School District says it is aware of about 20 student-athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 over the past week or so. Those athletes were in summer camps, many of which the district doesn’t sponsor.
“Our football program is going everything we can to stay safe and unfortunately a few have tested positive,” Edina High School football coach Jason Potts said.
The district says the source of the outbreak appears to be related to social activities, not the camps.
“I think it’s going to be really difficult, but I think it is incumbent on parents to be having these conversations,” Hovland said.
The Minnesota Department of Health says there are COVID-19 patients from outside of Edina who say they attended parties in Edina.
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Wise Old Man wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:36 am
jg2112 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:59 pm
blueline_6 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:28 pm


You realize our fatality rate is FAR WORSE than S. Korea, Australia, Germany, and numerous other advanced Democracies. Plus, almost every expert I've read or heard interviewed with any actual expertise in epidemiology or virology is saying that, not only are we vastly under-counting infections due to our sub-standard testing regimen (and that's a strong upgrade from the description I would've used from March thru June 1) -- under-counting by 10 to 12 times but, deaths due to Covid are also under-counted by as much as 10%. The point is, this virus is still FAR more lethal than the flu.
I found this discussion very interesting.

This isn't in support or refutation of any of the points made, just an FYI for this part of the discussion. If you don't read it, this is the interesting part:

Now, a new study from Penn State estimates that the number of early COVID-19 cases in the U.S. may have been more than 80 times greater and doubled nearly twice as fast as originally believed.

Source: https://news.psu.edu/story/623797/2020/ ... originally
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The Ivy League just canceled all fall sports so you can surmise what's next.
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bodyup88 wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:29 pm The Ivy League just canceled all fall sports so you can surmise what's next.
The Ivies delayed winter sports to January 1.
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The Big Ten is not playing any non conference football games. I would imagine most other power 5 conferences will do the same. What this means for schools like Norte Dame and BYU is up in the air.

At the high school level New Mexico canceled their football season yesterday. Tennessee postponed a vote on that today. South Carolina is opting to delay the start of their season and play less games. Illinois banned any contact or scrimmages until further notice. On the positive side the Chicago public schools system reversed course is allowing teams to practice without contact starting Monday. CPS hasn’t allowed any type of gathering so far.
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Hunters1993 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:40 pm Have anyone on this site read the risk factors for this disease.
Yes age is one factor.
How about obesity, anyone notice that is on the list?
How about any chronic respiratory illness?
Right now the majority of the people catching this thing are 20-40 year olds who think it won’t effect them and won’t follow guidelines. Great. Go to the bar and get everyone in the place sick, go to hockey rink and pass it to your best friends, Let’s for one minute think about others when it comes to this pandemic! Just for one minute.


When we sneeze do you cover your face?
When you finish in the bathroom do you wash your hands?
When you eat do you wash your hands before dinner?
99% of America does this.
Put a mask on when you leave your house? Why because it’s the right thing to do just like washing hands, covering a cough. If we all did this the pandemic would substantially decline. COME ON PEOPLE! JUST DO I T!
Yep- I noticed obesity and other things were on the list. What’s your point?
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The risk factors cover 75% of us at least.

This is the POINT!

When we sneeze do you cover your face?
When you finish in the bathroom do you wash your hands?
When you eat do you wash your hands before dinner?
99% of America does this.
Put a mask on when you leave your house? Why because it’s the right thing to do just like washing hands, covering a cough. If we all did this the pandemic would substantially decline. COME ON PEOPLE! JUST DO I T!
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My opinion......fall sports are done. The Minnesota house GOP announced a plan today that would let individual school districts decide what would take place this fall in their own school districts based on the local situation and the states 3 plans. The House DFL immediately said No! This was Walz’ decision only under his authority. There is no chance normal school is taking place come the first Tuesday in September, not every district is in the same place. It is generally getting worse in the whole state, it won’t improve in the next 3 weeks.

I have been under the thought Education Minnesota would decide what happens in the fall but with Trumps plea to open schools I think it has now become an even more political issue than a health issue.

FWIW.....
1) When did education become less essential than liquor, candy, New home construction, etc? Really in my mind food, shelter, utilities, healthcare and education are the most essential things.
2) when did education become about the teachers and not about the kids? What if healthcare worked this way? Doctors and nurses quit coming to work out of fear......
3) given the exponential spread of this virus the protests were extremely influential in the spread, opening bars was just as bad. Clearly opening colleges will not be good.
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The PAC-12 just joined the Big 10 in conference only sports this fall.

As an aside, the Big 10 said it was out of travel concerns......Iowa gives up games against UNI and Iowa State......really! It is about travel concerns? If it was you would move into a pod system like MLB and not make a school give up games against teams 75 miles away so they can travel cross country to play Rutgers. It is about money!

If you want college football put schools in pods based on geography; Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Missouri, Wisconsin, Kansas, Kansas St., Wyoming, Colorado, Air Force, Northwestern, and Illinois for example.
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West Virginia delays their football season by at least a week today.

The CIF, California’s version of the MSHSL will give their ruling on fall sports on July 16th. This will be huge on a national scale.
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.0004% of the Us population has passed away from Covid. (Average age around 82.)

That means 99.9996% of the population hasn’t.

They shut the economy down and put 30,000,000 people on unemployment.

When all is said and done I wonder what the death toll will be from suicides because of financial hardships- deaths from colon and breast cancer because of not being allowed to be screened. I know quite a few people in healthcare myself. Not only did they not see huge numbers of Covid patients, many of their workers were furloughed because of a serious drop in any patients.

I’m not going to comment on this anymore. All I can say is that I believe this is the biggest sham I have ever seen pulled on the people of this country.

And we let it happen.
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👆Thanks for sharing the stats GR. 👏
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grindiangrad-80 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:14 am .0004% of the Us population has passed away from Covid. (Average age around 82.)

That means 99.9996% of the population hasn’t.

They shut the economy down and put 30,000,000 people on unemployment.

When all is said and done I wonder what the death toll will be from suicides because of financial hardships- deaths from colon and breast cancer because of not being allowed to be screened. I know quite a few people in healthcare myself. Not only did they not see huge numbers of Covid patients, many of their workers were furloughed because of a serious drop in any patients.

I’m not going to comment on this anymore. All I can say is that I believe this is the biggest sham I have ever seen pulled on the people of this country.

And we let it happen.
Ok but you thinking Covid is a sham how does that apply to the topic?

The question is do you think we will have a season for High School Hockey?

Goldy thanks for the updates I am thinking delay on fall sports not full canceled yet. Trump being so forceful on the school issue won't help in a state with Blue Leadership. Again, don't want to get into the politics of this but its sad on BOTH sides! I just know Schools being fully open is the first step to if we can get hockey this winter. Again regardless if you think covid is a sham the bigger question is can we get schools open to get sports this winter... I felt good about it in May... This summer though has been a trainwreck... Hoping we can put biased opinions aside not he pandemic itself and work toward a way to provide a method in which hockey can happen. Saying its a sham doesn't help the question above....

USHL came out saying they plan to have a full season yesterday... If High School Hockey does not happen could private leagues and entities take over the game here in MN and kill High School Hockey as we know it?

Hoping we don't get to that point and can have a season but we need people to come together for that to happen right now it seems like both sides are digging in .... Which is gonna hurt the season happening. Long time till November ... If I was football player though I would be very nervous today... I feel bad for the kids...
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Re: Will there be high school hockey for 2020-2021?

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goldy313 wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:06 pm As an aside, the Big 10 said it was out of travel concerns......Iowa gives up games against UNI and Iowa State......really! It is about travel concerns? If it was you would move into a pod system like MLB and not make a school give up games against teams 75 miles away so they can travel cross country to play Rutgers. It is about money!
With all due respect, Goldy, I disagree with your points about restricting schedules to conference play.

Yes, money does play a huge part in the equation, but it should during a pandemic where athletic departments are going to feel a huge crunch with the loss of gate revenue (assuming there even is a season). Most Power Five football programs schedule one or two “buy games” at home against weaker opponents, where they pay the team to come in without having a reciprocal road game the next year. This bumps up the number of home games and revenue, but there’s no point in playing such games in an empty stadium, especially when they are rarely televised on a major network.

Regarding travel, I feel like you are cherry picking to make your point. Minnesota’s nonconference football schedule would have been Florida Atlantic, Tennessee Tech, and BYU (all home, but teams coming long distances). Michigan would be at Washington, Ball State, and Arkansas State. Ohio State would be Bowling Green, at Oregon, and Buffalo. There are some long trips in the overall B10 schedule, both for conference teams and their opponents.

Lastly, from a health standpoint, a conference, particularly one with the money and clout of the Big Ten, has the ability to ensure that its athletes are tested regularly and establish safety protocols for its member institutions. Do you trust that FAU or Tennessee Tech have the resources to test their players as frequently as a B10 team? I sure wouldn’t if I were an AD or coach, and that type of virus transmission could derail the whole season. The more control you have over this process, the better chance there is of actually having a season (which I am still skeptical about). You can also potentially push back the start dates with a reduced schedule, giving more time for things to hopefully settle down in the hotspots.
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Re: Will there be high school hockey for 2020-2021?

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ClassAGuy wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:34 am

USHL came out saying they plan to have a full season yesterday... If High School Hockey does not happen could private leagues and entities take over the game here in MN and kill High School Hockey as we know it?

Ding, ding, ding....there will be people/organizations who are gonna capitalize and make a lot of $ if they shut MNHS hockey down.
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