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[hockey59]

District 8 team:

Forwards
3 Grady Hauswirth
6 Clay Geary
8 Justin Jallen
14 Charlie Monn
15 Henery Enebak
16 Max Johnson
23 Alec Wonsmos
25 Cameron Buhl
32 Chaz Dufon
33 Max Rosenfield
37 Ryan Jowett
43 Tony Juricko

Defense
2 Sam Rossini
4 Jason Smallidge
10 Hugo Hartnell
18 Austin Brandecker
40 Tyler Jette
61 Ryan Lindgren

Goalies
53 Sam Moberg
54 Ryan Edquist

[hockey59]

Red Pool --- White Pool -- Blue Pool
D12 A – 1st- D11 A – 2nd- D16 A– 3rd
D10 B – 1st - D05 B – 2nd- D15 B – 3rd
D02 C – 1st - D06 C – 2nd- D03 C – 3rd
D08 D – 1st - D09 D – 2nd- D04 D – 3rd

Friday - 4/27 - Braemar (Edina)

A1 vs B1 East 6:00pm A2 vs B2 East 7:45pm A3 vs B3 South 9:00pm

Saturday

D1 vs C1 South 8:30am D2 vs C2 East 8:10am C3 vs D3 East 9:50am
C1 vs B1 South 1:00pm D2 vs A2 East 1:10pm C3 vs B3 South 2:40pm
D1 vs A1 West 1:00pm C2 vs B2 East 4:30pm D3 vs A3 East 2:50pm

Sunday

A1 vs C1 East 10:50am A2 vs C2 East 9:10am A3 vs C3 South 10:40am
B1 vs D1 East 12:30pm B2 vs D2 West 1:20pm B3 vs D3 East 2:10pm

[The Exiled One]

District 16 team - according to the District 16 web-site:

3 Nicholas Leitner D Bemidji Bantam AA
4 Davis Beauchamp D East Grand Forks Bantam A
5 Brendan Bushy D Thief River Falls Bantam A
10 Tarron Baker D Bemidji Bantam AA
15 Ethan Kringlen D East Grand Forks Bantam A
18 Cole Hartje D Bemidji Bantam AA
9 Bryden Stoskopf F Roseau Bantam AA
12 Joshua Lusby F Bemidji Bantam AA
16 Beau Wilmer F Warroad Bantam A
17 Christian Larson F Bagley JV/Varsity
19 Bauer Brown F East Grand Forks Bantam A
21 Braden Shea F East Grand Forks Bantam A
23 Lucas Magnusson F Thief River Falls Bantam A
25 Jack Johnson F Bemidji Bantam AA
28 Vladimere Olson F Roseau Bantam AA
29 Brandon Lund F Roseau Bantam AA
34 Brady Tatro F Bemidji Bantam AA
36 Thomas Pace F East Grand Forks Bantam A
41 Kade Nelson G Thief River Falls Bantam A
43 William Woolever G Roseau Bantam AA

Is Brandon Lund related to the Bantam AA coach Bill Lund? His kid?

[OGEE OGELTHORPE]

District 16 team - according to the District 16 web-site:

3 Nicholas Leitner D Bemidji Bantam AA
4 Davis Beauchamp D East Grand Forks Bantam A
5 Brendan Bushy D Thief River Falls Bantam A
10 Tarron Baker D Bemidji Bantam AA
15 Ethan Kringlen D East Grand Forks Bantam A
18 Cole Hartje D Bemidji Bantam AA
9 Bryden Stoskopf F Roseau Bantam AA
12 Joshua Lusby F Bemidji Bantam AA
16 Beau Wilmer F Warroad Bantam A
17 Christian Larson F Bagley JV/Varsity
19 Bauer Brown F East Grand Forks Bantam A
21 Braden Shea F East Grand Forks Bantam A
23 Lucas Magnusson F Thief River Falls Bantam A
25 Jack Johnson F Bemidji Bantam AA
28 Vladimere Olson F Roseau Bantam AA
29 Brandon Lund F Roseau Bantam AA
34 Brady Tatro F Bemidji Bantam AA
36 Thomas Pace F East Grand Forks Bantam A
41 Kade Nelson G Thief River Falls Bantam A
43 William Woolever G Roseau Bantam AA

Is Brandon Lund related to the Bantam AA coach Bill Lund? His kid?

Brandon is a cousin.

Bill's kid is #28 on that team.

[Mite-dad]

Red Pool --- White Pool -- Blue Pool
D12 A – 1st- D11 A – 2nd- D16 A– 3rd
D10 B – 1st - D05 B – 2nd- D15 B – 3rd
D02 C – 1st - D06 C – 2nd- D03 C – 3rd
D08 D – 1st - D09 D – 2nd- D04 D – 3rd

Friday - 4/27 - Braemar (Edina)

A1 vs B1 East 6:00pm A2 vs B2 East 7:45pm A3 vs B3 South 9:00pm

Saturday

D1 vs C1 South 8:30am D2 vs C2 East 8:10am C3 vs D3 East 9:50am
C1 vs B1 South 1:00pm D2 vs A2 East 1:10pm C3 vs B3 South 2:40pm
D1 vs A1 West 1:00pm C2 vs B2 East 4:30pm D3 vs A3 East 2:50pm

Sunday

A1 vs C1 East 10:50am A2 vs C2 East 9:10am A3 vs C3 South 10:40am
B1 vs D1 East 12:30pm B2 vs D2 West 1:20pm B3 vs D3 East 2:10pm

Where did you find this?

[Cdale]

Red Pool --- White Pool -- Blue Pool
D12 A – 1st- D11 A – 2nd- D16 A– 3rd
D10 B – 1st - D05 B – 2nd- D15 B – 3rd
D02 C – 1st - D06 C – 2nd- D03 C – 3rd
D08 D – 1st - D09 D – 2nd- D04 D – 3rd

Friday - 4/27 - Braemar (Edina)

A1 vs B1 East 6:00pm A2 vs B2 East 7:45pm A3 vs B3 South 9:00pm

Saturday

D1 vs C1 South 8:30am D2 vs C2 East 8:10am C3 vs D3 East 9:50am
C1 vs B1 South 1:00pm D2 vs A2 East 1:10pm C3 vs B3 South 2:40pm
D1 vs A1 West 1:00pm C2 vs B2 East 4:30pm D3 vs A3 East 2:50pm

Sunday

A1 vs C1 East 10:50am A2 vs C2 East 9:10am A3 vs C3 South 10:40am
B1 vs D1 East 12:30pm B2 vs D2 West 1:20pm B3 vs D3 East 2:10pm

Where did you find this?

Open Round Robin tab- http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/sho ... ormance-15

[Mite-dad]

Red Pool --- White Pool -- Blue Pool
D12 A – 1st- D11 A – 2nd- D16 A– 3rd
D10 B – 1st - D05 B – 2nd- D15 B – 3rd
D02 C – 1st - D06 C – 2nd- D03 C – 3rd
D08 D – 1st - D09 D – 2nd- D04 D – 3rd

Friday - 4/27 - Braemar (Edina)

A1 vs B1 East 6:00pm A2 vs B2 East 7:45pm A3 vs B3 South 9:00pm

Saturday

D1 vs C1 South 8:30am D2 vs C2 East 8:10am C3 vs D3 East 9:50am
C1 vs B1 South 1:00pm D2 vs A2 East 1:10pm C3 vs B3 South 2:40pm
D1 vs A1 West 1:00pm C2 vs B2 East 4:30pm D3 vs A3 East 2:50pm

Sunday

A1 vs C1 East 10:50am A2 vs C2 East 9:10am A3 vs C3 South 10:40am
B1 vs D1 East 12:30pm B2 vs D2 West 1:20pm B3 vs D3 East 2:10pm

Where did you find this?

Open Round Robin tab- http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/sho ... ormance-15

Ok thanks!

[hockey59]

Final - Friday, April 26th:

D10 - 5
D12 - 2

[Nuts&Bolts]

Updates from Braemar. Look forward to reading YHH/Frederick61's rationale for some of these scores based on the original predictions.

Red Pool (2-0 in play in games)
D10 beats D12 5-2
D8 beats D2 7-0
D10 beats D2 7-2 ?
D8 beats D12 3-1

White Pool (1-1)
D11 beats D5 8-5
D6 beats D9 8-3
D11 beats D9 6-3

Blue Pool (0-2)
D16 beats D15 6-5
D3 and D4 TIE 6-6 (so much for D3 walking thru the pool)

Observations:
- To many penalty shots especially when one team is behind
- LOTS of black Reebok coats with boys and girls program happening at the same time
- Players that played varsity at small schools or JV at a metro school generally equates to a typical Bantam A player at best
- Granite counters at the concession stand are very nice
- Its 73 degrees and the golf courses are open

[hockey59]

Updates from Braemar. Look forward to reading YHH/Frederick61's rationale for some of these scores based on the original predictions.

Red Pool (2-0 in play in games)
D10 beats D12 5-2
D8 beats D2 7-0
D10 beats D2 7-2 ?
D8 beats D12 3-1

D10 (actually) beat D2 9-3 on Saturday.

On Sunday D10 and D8 skated to a 5-5 tie. Both teams finished the weekend +9 in goal differential.

D10 led 3-0; then 3-2 at halftime; then 4-2; then D8 with a big comeback, tieing it 4-4 with about 10 minutes remaining and taking the lead 5-4 with about 5 minutes remaining. D10 then scored an extra attacker goal with 10 seconds remaining.

Previous game had run over its scheduled time and D10 vs D8 game started about 20 minutes late, so evidently there was no allotted time remaining for OT or a shoot-out.

[timcorbin21]

does anyone know how they put the d4 team together?

[Nuts&Bolts]

So the championship game in the 2-0 pool ended in a tie? I read Fred61's summary but no shoot out not even one player per team? How about goal differential, fewest penalties, most non-PS goals, least total goals allowed, or the worse idea in history to determine a winner in the coin toss? Not great endings but at least the teams know the rules to get an outcome if it's a tie. Kind of a flat ending for the two best teams that should probably send the most kids on to the next level. Still mystified with what happened to D2 and D3 as they weren't as impressive on the ice as the hype.

D4 is a section light on numbers so they borrow players cut from the other districts primarily 2, 6 and 8 that are stronger. Not sure how players get picked up but surely some horse trading and favors come into play. Also saw a D6 goalie picked up by a north district. No idea how this happens.

[Velocity3]

So the championship game in the 2-0 pool ended in a tie? I read Fred61's summary but no shoot out not even one player per team? How about goal differential, fewest penalties, most non-PS goals, least total goals allowed, or the worse idea in history to determine a winner in the coin toss? Not great endings but at least the teams know the rules to get an outcome if it's a tie. Kind of a flat ending for the two best teams that should probably send the most kids on to the next level. Still mystified with what happened to D2 and D3 as they weren't as impressive on the ice as the hype.

D4 is a section light on numbers so they borrow players cut from the other districts primarily 2, 6 and 8 that are stronger. Not sure how players get picked up but surely some horse trading and favors come into play. Also saw a D6 goalie picked up by a north district. No idea how this happens.

The format of the Select 15's is not based on what team wins or what team loses. It is about determining which kids earned the opportunity to be invited to St Cloud. The fact that 2 undefeated teams met on Sunday was pure luck. This is not about Championships or trophies.....it is a showcase of individual skill coupled with demonstrating how well a player (or players) creates teamwork with players that don't usually play together.

If the two teams that met on Sunday weren't both 2-0 your comment would be moot.


Everyone who made it to the festival are to be congratulated.

[Mite-dad]

Summer camp roster has been posted.

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/sho ... ummer-camp

[Nuts&Bolts]

Not looking for a trophy V3 but would be good to see an outcome other than a tie given the situation which I guess was rare.

WOW on the list and process. Evaluators tell the players they look for team play but there must not be credit given for playing a team game. Your better off winding it up and looking for the ESPN cameras even if you fail and it costs the team since overall the outcome of the games don't matter.

D6 got the most kids placed (15) from the 1-1 pool followed by two teams from the 0-2 pool (D3 with 13 & D16 with 12). So D2 beat both D3 and D6 in the play in games and D2 only gets 8 compared to 15 for D6 or 13 for D3. Really?

Not just a metro issue for the outstate skeptics. D12 is in the 2-0 pool by beating D16 in the play in but D12 only gets 5 compared to the 12 from D16? I shake my head (sideways not up & down) to the process but it's the same year after year. Are there that many individual standouts on D16 compared to D12 but a few to many to be able to actually beat D12?

Maybe a Reebok coat in the know can explain how D3 gets 13 kids selected playing in the 0-2 pool, tie D4 6-6 that the D8 team beat in the play in game something like 12-2 yet D4 only gets 2 kids (and D8 10)? Maybe playing in the 0-2 pool is an advantage since the teams aren't as strong and it's easier to standout? Plus it always helps to be from the west metro and/or having the high school coach involved in the process as a coach or evaluator (and there's plenty of this in the mix). Kind of unfortunate but only 16s, 17s and 18s to go not counting the fall "Elite" leagues.

[OGEE OGELTHORPE]

Just to clarify Nuts...

D12 and D16 tied 5-5 in pool play.

D16 pulled the goalie with 5 minutes left because they had to win by 2 goals to get the second seed.

[GatorLand]

All 6 D from district 3 advance. They must have been a tough group to score on this weekend. I would hate to have a forward in D10..tough competition. Congrats to all.

[Nuts&Bolts]

My mistake Ogee O on missing the tie. Damn ties. Don't like wearing them during the week or watching them on the weekend. At least D16 knew what they needed to do to avoid the 0-2 pool and winning did mean something though "Selects" is about individual skills and connections.

Regardless, D16 didn't get it done in the play in games and ended up in the 0-2 pool which appears to have helped them getting more players through like D3. The two other teams in the 0-2 pool had the lowest # of kids "Select"ed based on my count - 2 kids from D4 (both transplants from D10?) and 4 kids from D15 that gave up more goals than any other team this past weekend.

Kind of a sad state of hockey when D4 doesn't have a SINGLE kid make it to St. Cloud and the two spots go to the kids brought in from another district. I suppose the transplants that made it through from D4 outside were either misses from the "select"ion process within their home district or it proves the 0-2 pool allowed for easier advancement with a couple of teams not having much depth.

May not be a bad idea in future years to pull a Team China in badminton to lose the play in games to dominate in the bottom pool. Then again, maybe the coach would be suspended and have to turn in his Reebok jacket that was made in China.

[Nuts&Bolts]

I didn't do the positional count Gator but upon further review it demonstrates the questionable process and influence of the west metro coaches, evaluators and schools.

Goaltending obviously makes a difference and I don't know the least about evaluating a goalie in this type of format but some stats (aka facts):

D3 didn't have a goalie advance but they gave up 12 goals on the weekend against some suspect competition in the 0-2 pool and all 6 D advance

D6 fared better giving up only 10 goals in the 1-1 pool with both goalies advancing and 5 D advance

D10 in the 2-0 pool gave up 10 with both goalies advancing and 4 D advance

D8 in the 2-0 pool gave up 6 (5 in the "non-championship championship" game by luck of the draw) with both goalies advancing and only 3 D advance

Moral of the story? I have no idea just like the "select"ion process for 15s, 16, 17s, 18s or Brill/seniors. Enjoy the ride as it'll go fast. Next up is the breakdown for goals scored and forwards chosen just for fun.

[hockey59]

Not looking for a trophy V3 but would be good to see an outcome other than a tie given the situation which I guess was rare.

WOW on the list and process. Evaluators tell the players they look for team play but there must not be credit given for playing a team game. Your better off winding it up and looking for the ESPN cameras even if you fail and it costs the team since overall the outcome of the games don't matter.

D6 got the most kids placed (15) from the 1-1 pool followed by two teams from the 0-2 pool (D3 with 13 & D16 with 12). So D2 beat both D3 and D6 in the play in games and D2 only gets 8 compared to 15 for D6 or 13 for D3. Really?

Not just a metro issue for the outstate skeptics. D12 is in the 2-0 pool by beating D16 in the play in but D12 only gets 5 compared to the 12 from D16? I shake my head (sideways not up & down) to the process but it's the same year after year. Are there that many individual standouts on D16 compared to D12 but a few to many to be able to actually beat D12?

Maybe a Reebok coat in the know can explain how D3 gets 13 kids selected playing in the 0-2 pool, tie D4 6-6 that the D8 team beat in the play in game something like 12-2 yet D4 only gets 2 kids (and D8 10)? Maybe playing in the 0-2 pool is an advantage since the teams aren't as strong and it's easier to standout? Plus it always helps to be from the west metro and/or having the high school coach involved in the process as a coach or evaluator (and there's plenty of this in the mix). Kind of unfortunate but only 16s, 17s and 18s to go not counting the fall "Elite" leagues.

To ALL those who made the St. Cloud Camp - A BIG CONGRATULATIONS!

To ALL those who didn't advance to the St. Cloud Camp...AND to those who WON'T ultimately make it to the USA National Festival (following the St. Cloud Camp)...to quote words I once heard following the St. Cloud Camp "I didn't make it, but it's just MOTIVATION for next year". Suffice it to say, the next 2 years results went well (for the player quoted).

54/144 = 37.5% of the Forwards who participated in the Spring Festival made it to St. Cloud. That means 90 = 62.5% were cut. 36 of 72 Defensemen (50%) and 12 of 24 goalies (50%) advanced to St. Cloud; meaning 50% of the D and 50% of the G were cut.

Spring Festival is always the toughest (at the 15, 16 and 17 level ) for evaluating Forwards because you roll 4 lines (12 forwards) in 2 - 24 minute stop time halfs, meaning they are lucky to get 6 shifts per half and often times only get 5 shifts per half. Also no way to evaluate what kind of power-play and penalty kill skills these players have - using this format.

It's not an exact science, who you play on a line with as a forward affects things, who you are paired with on D affects things, and what team you play goalie for affects things.

So again - To ALL those who made the St. Cloud Camp - A BIG CONGRATULATIONS!

To ALL those who didn't - it's just MOTIVATION for next year!

TRIVIA QUESTION: Name the future NHL player who didn't MAKE the St. Cloud Camp as a 15 year old?
Hint: he is from Hastings and scored 44 points in 48 NHL regular season games this season?
Further Hint: he now plays for the NYR.

ANSWER: Derek Stepan

[imaloserbaby]

I didn't do the positional count Gator but upon further review it demonstrates the questionable process and influence of the west metro coaches, evaluators and schools.

Goaltending obviously makes a difference and I don't know the least about evaluating a goalie in this type of format but some stats (aka facts):

D3 didn't have a goalie advance but they gave up 12 goals on the weekend against some suspect competition in the 0-2 pool and all 6 D advance

D6 fared better giving up only 10 goals in the 1-1 pool with both goalies advancing and 5 D advance

D10 in the 2-0 pool gave up 10 with both goalies advancing and 4 D advance

D8 in the 2-0 pool gave up 6 (5 in the "non-championship championship" game by luck of the draw) with both goalies advancing and only 3 D advance

Moral of the story? I have no idea just like the "select"ion process for 15s, 16, 17s, 18s or Brill/seniors. Enjoy the ride as it'll go fast. Next up is the breakdown for goals scored and forwards chosen just for fun.

Do you think the evaluators care who the top team is when they are evaluating players on Friday? Do you actually think they will go back and change their grading on Sunday from a Friday game because they lost or tied
a game earlier in the festival?

Answer: no. And they shouldn't.

[Texmex]

They don't Evaluate on wins and points. Scouts in any sport evaluate on overall skills. They are projecting. Stride, frame, hands, first three steps, skating ability, shot release, vision, etc. hockey is a weird game. Not always does the best team win....more so than in any other sport. Look at potential upsets in 1st round of NHL vs nba playoffs. Not always the best player on the ice scores the most points. We have all seen plenty of games where Johnny lunch pail on the third line just has that puck bouncing right to him, and cool hand first line luke is snake bit.

While mistakes are definitely made in the process, 9/10 times they get it right. Feel for the kids that didn't make it. Hopefully they can dig in and lift like crazy and outwork their peers this summer.

Ya gotta look at it from an athletic perspective, rather than who won a game or who scored a goal.

[karl(east)]

They don't Evaluate on wins and points. Scouts in any sport evaluate on overall skills. They are projecting. Stride, frame, hands, first three steps, skating ability, shot release, vision, etc. hockey is a weird game. Not always does the best team win....more so than in any other sport. Look at potential upsets in 1st round of NHL vs nba playoffs. Not always the best player on the ice scores the most points. We have all seen plenty of games where Johnny lunch pail on the third line just has that puck bouncing right to him, and cool hand first line luke is snake bit.

While mistakes are definitely made in the process, 9/10 times they get it right. Feel for the kids that didn't make it. Hopefully they can dig in and lift like crazy and outwork their peers this summer.

Ya gotta look at it from an athletic perspective, rather than who won a game or who scored a goal.

Exactly. And it's especially true when you're dealing with such a tiny sample size of games. The more you watch hockey, the more you recognize things you did not see before, and the more you realize how much there is you don't know about everything that goes into making a great player or a great team. Reducing it all to wins and points is a starting point, but not much more.

Sure, they make mistakes, and I suppose places like this forum serve a function in calling out said mistakes. But at the end of the day, players with some athletic talent who put in the time and effort are going to get noticed and rewarded, regardless of the stats or the development path or the selections for St. Cloud at age 15. And if there are undeserving players there, it will eventually catch up with them, whether it's in St. Cloud or four years down the road.

Congrats to the kids who made it, but for everyone else, life goes on.

[MrBoDangles]

They don't Evaluate on wins and points. Scouts in any sport evaluate on overall skills. They are projecting. Stride, frame, hands, first three steps, skating ability, shot release, vision, etc. hockey is a weird game. Not always does the best team win....more so than in any other sport. Look at potential upsets in 1st round of NHL vs nba playoffs. Not always the best player on the ice scores the most points. We have all seen plenty of games where Johnny lunch pail on the third line just has that puck bouncing right to him, and cool hand first line luke is snake bit.

While mistakes are definitely made in the process, 9/10 times they get it right. Feel for the kids that didn't make it. Hopefully they can dig in and lift like crazy and outwork their peers this summer.

Ya gotta look at it from an athletic perspective, rather than who won a game or who scored a goal.

This is how it would be in a perfect world....... But instead we have last names, evaluators that get excited about well known programs, politics.

There's a whole lot of back scratching going on.

*HP seems to be the least political.

[Nuts&Bolts]

So I'm probably Nuts but it sure seems an easier path to show your individual skills in the 0-2 pool that has 2 teams sending a total of 6 kids to St. Cloud. Hopefully it makes no difference the HP 15 Program Director is from Plymouth. Credit to District 3 for putting the association of the coaches in the program since it's generally a mystery. 3 D from Wayzata and 3 D with ties to OMG all make it from the district with the HC from OMG and ACs from Wayzata. Anybody that says it doesn't matter is fibbing. 16s and 17s is a different game but still highly political (HP). Work hard, come prepared next year but have low expectations. Good luck to all.