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Post by Jeffy95 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:30 am

O-townClown wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote: Jaxon Nelson played in the corn fields of SW Minnesota. Did they find him?
He went to the Brick with a Twin City based all-star team when he was 10.
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EXACTLY! These kids start all Star Tournaments in Mites now. Super Series, MN Selects, HP, Elite League..... It doesn't matter where you are from. If you're good enough, you will play in every one of these showcases. Everybody knows who every good hockey player is in Minnesota long before they get to High School age. Kids were getting drafted by the NHL out of Central Minnesota in the 80's and early 90's. Their High School teams did absolutely nothing. And that was before the extra tournaments and the internet. There is no way to fly under the radar anymore if you're a D1 Caliber player and you want to get noticed. It's almost impossible unless you don't care and don't want to be noticed.

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Post by old goalie85 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:04 pm

Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....

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Post by jpiehl » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:58 am

old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.

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Post by JSR » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:16 am

jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
jpiehl I 100% agree with you. I've talked to a lot of college and junior scouts and they tell me they never scout Wisconsin High School games. I asked why. Their answer was because it's not worth their time. The rely on Team Wisconsin to weed out the good players for them and they can watch TW at nationals or before the season at the big tournaments or big games they play. That's all well and good and there are definitely some very talented players on TW. But I can tell you for a fact that there are just as many, just as talented players not on TW. TW is highly political and they don't even really hide it. So if you are lucky enough to be on TW great for you but for the kids who aren't on that team that are just as good they aren't being looked at and many lose their desire. Do some make it through, through pure determination and going to tryouts after high school and never giving up. yep, but you wonder if a few more would make it atleast to say the NAHL if someone were "in their corner" so to speak. Or helping them get on the radar or whatever.... I get what people are saying when they say if you are good enough they will find you, but that is not a 100% truism. You can have talent, passion, unrelentless work ethic etc... but if you have no opportunity it's all for naught...

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Post by Jeffy95 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:06 am

jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.

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Post by SouthernMinnFan » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:20 am

I'm going with JSR. I have seen this a lot with southern minnesota kids. Even though they might make a team in the HP festival scouts will dismiss their stats because of their soft schedule and kids will get pushed down the lists because of the style of hockey they played all year. Scouts will take kids they have seen play over and over again in big games throughout the year because they have proven it. Kids in these small towns that leave are just trying to level the playing field. In most instances when the kids leave to go play Midget AAA or another level like that it is for much better hockey, pushing them to improve their game and help them pass those kids on other teams.

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Post by JSR » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:57 am

Jeffy95 wrote:
jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.
Did he get noticed because he played for Moose Lake, or by the way it sounds from jpiehl he's already gone outside of Moose Lake and tried out elsewhere for next season and is moving on and did those coaches get him noticed and now Moose Lake is just reporting on it??? .... chicken and the egg thing here. I have no idea in this instance as I don't know the kid, just sayin that is how it works a lot of the time.

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Post by Jeffy95 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:27 pm

JSR wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.
Did he get noticed because he played for Moose Lake, or by the way it sounds from jpiehl he's already gone outside of Moose Lake and tried out elsewhere for next season and is moving on and did those coaches get him noticed and now Moose Lake is just reporting on it??? .... chicken and the egg thing here. I have no idea in this instance as I don't know the kid, just sayin that is how it works a lot of the time.
Chris Dilks put him on his 2014 USHL Futures Draft List after his Freshman year in High School at Moose Lake, along with Riley Tufte, Mitchell Mattson, Kiefer Bellows and all of the other top 98's in the country. I think it's safe to say he was noticed. Again, if you're a good player in Minnesota, everybody knows about you. Doesn't matter where you are from.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/junior- ... draft-list

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Post by old goalie85 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:24 am

These kids are in Mn. Not Kentucky/Chech. If anything baseball players in Mn get missed. And again, At a certain point mom and dad can't just write a check.

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Post by JSR » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:07 am

old goalie85 wrote:These kids are in Mn. Not Kentucky/Chech. If anything baseball players in Mn get missed. And again, At a certain point mom and dad can't just write a check.
You are probably correct but I still think jpiehls general point is correct and that not everyone lives in MN. I think my example of kids getting missed occasionally in WI is valid.

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Post by jpiehl » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:56 am

Jeffy95 wrote:
JSR wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.
Did he get noticed because he played for Moose Lake, or by the way it sounds from jpiehl he's already gone outside of Moose Lake and tried out elsewhere for next season and is moving on and did those coaches get him noticed and now Moose Lake is just reporting on it??? .... chicken and the egg thing here. I have no idea in this instance as I don't know the kid, just sayin that is how it works a lot of the time.
Chris Dilks put him on his 2014 USHL Futures Draft List after his Freshman year in High School at Moose Lake, along with Riley Tufte, Mitchell Mattson, Kiefer Bellows and all of the other top 98's in the country. I think it's safe to say he was noticed. Again, if you're a good player in Minnesota, everybody knows about you. Doesn't matter where you are from.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/junior- ... draft-list

Yes, you noticed him after you were told where to look and did a google search. And after the kid did everything he could to make himself visible. Would not happen if he hadn't done that. To make the argument that there are no kids that are missed because they play in small towns ignores reality. May be reality in the metro, but not outstate, unless you are a superstar. And if it doesn't matter, why are kids like him leaving the Moose Lakes and Luvernes to play elsewhere? I realize it is blasphemy to suggest that the Minnesota model doesn't work for everyone, but it doesn't. As was previously stated, it works for kids in the metro and kids on top 20 teams.

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Post by Jeffy95 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:52 am

jpiehl wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
JSR wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.
Did he get noticed because he played for Moose Lake, or by the way it sounds from jpiehl he's already gone outside of Moose Lake and tried out elsewhere for next season and is moving on and did those coaches get him noticed and now Moose Lake is just reporting on it??? .... chicken and the egg thing here. I have no idea in this instance as I don't know the kid, just sayin that is how it works a lot of the time.
Chris Dilks put him on his 2014 USHL Futures Draft List after his Freshman year in High School at Moose Lake, along with Riley Tufte, Mitchell Mattson, Kiefer Bellows and all of the other top 98's in the country. I think it's safe to say he was noticed. Again, if you're a good player in Minnesota, everybody knows about you. Doesn't matter where you are from.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/junior- ... draft-list

Yes, you noticed him after you were told where to look and did a google search. And after the kid did everything he could to make himself visible. Would not happen if he hadn't done that. To make the argument that there are no kids that are missed because they play in small towns ignores reality. May be reality in the metro, but not outstate, unless you are a superstar. And if it doesn't matter, why are kids like him leaving the Moose Lakes and Luvernes to play elsewhere? I realize it is blasphemy to suggest that the Minnesota model doesn't work for everyone, but it doesn't. As was previously stated, it works for kids in the metro and kids on top 20 teams.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he doesn't care when I noticed him. The fact that every scout in the State knew about him in 9th Grade is probably of more interest to him. If you get noticed that early in Moose Lake it proves you will get noticed anywhere.

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Post by hunting247 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:49 am

Jeffy95 wrote:
JSR wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.
Did he get noticed because he played for Moose Lake, or by the way it sounds from jpiehl he's already gone outside of Moose Lake and tried out elsewhere for next season and is moving on and did those coaches get him noticed and now Moose Lake is just reporting on it??? .... chicken and the egg thing here. I have no idea in this instance as I don't know the kid, just sayin that is how it works a lot of the time.
Chris Dilks put him on his 2014 USHL Futures Draft List after his Freshman year in High School at Moose Lake, along with Riley Tufte, Mitchell Mattson, Kiefer Bellows and all of the other top 98's in the country. I think it's safe to say he was noticed. Again, if you're a good player in Minnesota, everybody knows about you. Doesn't matter where you are from.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/junior- ... draft-list
Wow! he made a list in 2014 \:D/ Most the kids on that list have faded away. The kid marketed himself well and played on other teams to get noticed. he was nominated to play on the CCM HP U18's (which is very easy) then didn't make the cut to play in the NIT. He is a great player in Moose Lake and a good player everywhere else. Sorry but if you have kid A and kid B of identical skill and ability and Kid A plays on single A 30+ ranked team and kid B plays for a top 20 AA team they are going to take kid B everyday just the way it is

I get sick of hearing if you are good enough they will find you crap. thats mostly what people tell themselves to justify the crappy team they play on.

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Post by Jeffy95 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:31 am

hunting247 wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
JSR wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.
Did he get noticed because he played for Moose Lake, or by the way it sounds from jpiehl he's already gone outside of Moose Lake and tried out elsewhere for next season and is moving on and did those coaches get him noticed and now Moose Lake is just reporting on it??? .... chicken and the egg thing here. I have no idea in this instance as I don't know the kid, just sayin that is how it works a lot of the time.
Chris Dilks put him on his 2014 USHL Futures Draft List after his Freshman year in High School at Moose Lake, along with Riley Tufte, Mitchell Mattson, Kiefer Bellows and all of the other top 98's in the country. I think it's safe to say he was noticed. Again, if you're a good player in Minnesota, everybody knows about you. Doesn't matter where you are from.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/junior- ... draft-list
Wow! he made a list in 2014 \:D/ Most the kids on that list have faded away. The kid marketed himself well and played on other teams to get noticed. he was nominated to play on the CCM HP U18's (which is very easy) then didn't make the cut to play in the NIT. He is a great player in Moose Lake and a good player everywhere else. Sorry but if you have kid A and kid B of identical skill and ability and Kid A plays on single A 30+ ranked team and kid B plays for a top 20 AA team they are going to take kid B everyday just the way it is

I get sick of hearing if you are good enough they will find you crap. thats mostly what people tell themselves to justify the crappy team they play on.
Really? Well guess what? They found him. They found him in the Hockey hotbed of Moose Lake MN when he was a Freshman. The fact that he played in Moose Lake probably helped him get noticed earlier because he was playing Varsity as a Freshman. He probably doesn't stand out as much playing Bantams in a bigger city. The question was whether or not you can get noticed anywhere in the State. It has been proven over and over again that you will, if you're good enough to get noticed. Name any High School team in the State and there are kids that have been noticed from there. You don't just get a free ticket after that, you still have to earn it. If you're not good enough you won't make it, but every single kid gets a chance in MN. For those of you making this argument, if your kid hasn't been noticed then he's probably not as good as you think he is.

He marketed himself and played on other teams? What a novel idea. I wonder why every single other good player in the State hasn't thought of that? What a unique situation. Someone took some initiative and responsibility for their future? My employer found me sitting on a park bench feeding the pigeons. I thought that was how it worked for everyone.

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Post by InigoMontoya » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:46 am

He marketed himself and played on other teams? What a novel idea
'If you're good enough they'll find you' infers that they had to go find this kid out in the corn fields. If he was noticed at a prospects camp where parents pay to have him play in front of scouts, but in the winter he went back to Moose Lake, I don't think the adage applies.

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Post by SouthernMinnFan » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:56 am

On top of the finding kid argument, who found him?? Do you think if that kid plays at Moose Lake until he is a senior a USHL team will "find" him. No chance. A kid that plays a bad schedule like that until he is 18 will be found, in the stands of an NAHL roster if he is lucky.

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Post by Jeffy95 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:55 am

InigoMontoya wrote:
He marketed himself and played on other teams? What a novel idea
'If you're good enough they'll find you' infers that they had to go find this kid out in the corn fields. If he was noticed at a prospects camp where parents pay to have him play in front of scouts, but in the winter he went back to Moose Lake, I don't think the adage applies.
Every top player in the State pays to play on teams, camps, showcases and leagues outside of their Association or High School Team. That's exactly how you get noticed. Scouts don't just wander into Arenas all over the State and see if someone jumps out at them. That would be a waste of time when they can go to one of these events and see multiple kids from all over the State.

How far do you think a kid from Edina gets in his Hockey career if he plays High School Hockey from November through February and then puts his skates away until the following November? Do you think he gets recruited hard to play at a D1 College? No, he has to make an effort just like the kid from Moose Lake does. It doesn't matter where you are from, the opportunity to get noticed is there for every kid. If you're not willing to take advantage of it then it's your own fault. There is no aspect of life where you can expect more than an opportunity. Why would Hockey be any different? I don't understand where you people are coming from so I guess we can just agree to disagree.

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Post by InigoMontoya » Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:15 am

I guess we can just agree to disagree.

Strangely, it seems you are disagreeing to agree.

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Post by hunting247 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:54 am

Jeffy95 wrote:
hunting247 wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
JSR wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
jpiehl wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:Jeff Parker was Drafted after Jr. Year from WBMariner., 1982. Buff. Sabs Scotty B. Bobby Orr town of 150. Boston stated watching "the Kid" when he was 12. Now the internet they will reach out to younger and younger players. Mommy and daddy can't buy the kids way into the NHL/MLB/NFL yada. They will find ball player/hockey players wherever they come from. The cream rises to the top.....
And again the references to superstars from a long time ago come out. Yes, Bobby Orr was in a town of 150. Different era, and a completely different level of player. So only the NHL Hall of Fame caliber player deserves to be found? What about a kid from Princeton or Owatonna? As an example, Moose Lake has a kid that will be leaving now that he is junior age eligible. The best kid on his high school team as a freshman and sophomore. But he, like many others, is forced to leave to make himself visible. Nobody is talking about Mommy and Daddy buying their way anywhere, but the reality is that they will not find you if you are not where they are looking, and they aren't looking in small programs because there is no need to, there are enough big programs that they can look at.
It appears that the kid got noticed just fine while playing for Moose Lake.

March 24, 2016 | Volume 129, Number 12

Moose Lake Area Hockey

Moose Lake Area Rebel hockey player Bryceton Butkiewicz was selected to participated in the CCM High Performance 18 Spring Festival March 18-20 to be held at the Doug Woog Arena (formerly Wakota Arena) in South St. Paul.

The CCM High Performance Boys 18 provides players born in 1998 and juniors in high school with the opportunity to participate with and against the top players in Minnesota at their age level. Many NCAA and junior league scouts attend this annual event to select players who have the potential to play at the next level after their high school career is over.
Did he get noticed because he played for Moose Lake, or by the way it sounds from jpiehl he's already gone outside of Moose Lake and tried out elsewhere for next season and is moving on and did those coaches get him noticed and now Moose Lake is just reporting on it??? .... chicken and the egg thing here. I have no idea in this instance as I don't know the kid, just sayin that is how it works a lot of the time.
Chris Dilks put him on his 2014 USHL Futures Draft List after his Freshman year in High School at Moose Lake, along with Riley Tufte, Mitchell Mattson, Kiefer Bellows and all of the other top 98's in the country. I think it's safe to say he was noticed. Again, if you're a good player in Minnesota, everybody knows about you. Doesn't matter where you are from.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/junior- ... draft-list
Wow! he made a list in 2014 \:D/ Most the kids on that list have faded away. The kid marketed himself well and played on other teams to get noticed. he was nominated to play on the CCM HP U18's (which is very easy) then didn't make the cut to play in the NIT. He is a great player in Moose Lake and a good player everywhere else. Sorry but if you have kid A and kid B of identical skill and ability and Kid A plays on single A 30+ ranked team and kid B plays for a top 20 AA team they are going to take kid B everyday just the way it is

I get sick of hearing if you are good enough they will find you crap. thats mostly what people tell themselves to justify the crappy team they play on.
Really? Well guess what? They found him. They found him in the Hockey hotbed of Moose Lake MN when he was a Freshman. The fact that he played in Moose Lake probably helped him get noticed earlier because he was playing Varsity as a Freshman. He probably doesn't stand out as much playing Bantams in a bigger city. The question was whether or not you can get noticed anywhere in the State. It has been proven over and over again that you will, if you're good enough to get noticed. Name any High School team in the State and there are kids that have been noticed from there. You don't just get a free ticket after that, you still have to earn it. If you're not good enough you won't make it, but every single kid gets a chance in MN. For those of you making this argument, if your kid hasn't been noticed then he's probably not as good as you think he is.

He marketed himself and played on other teams? What a novel idea. I wonder why every single other good player in the State hasn't thought of that? What a unique situation. Someone took some initiative and responsibility for their future? My employer found me sitting on a park bench feeding the pigeons. I thought that was how it worked for everyone.
Exactly. He is a good player on a top 20 AA team. Also its not to uncommon to have freshman play varsity in a small school in fact there are plenty of freshman who play on top AA teams doesn't mean they are going D1.

and they didn't find him In Moose Lake, they found him when he was playing on other teams

And his production has been decreasing showing he has already peaked.
2014 ccm u16 final 54 then cut - 2015 ccm u17 spring fest. then cut. - 2016 ccm u18 then cut.

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Post by JSR » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:43 pm

Jeffy95 wrote:
InigoMontoya wrote:
He marketed himself and played on other teams? What a novel idea
'If you're good enough they'll find you' infers that they had to go find this kid out in the corn fields. If he was noticed at a prospects camp where parents pay to have him play in front of scouts, but in the winter he went back to Moose Lake, I don't think the adage applies.
Every top player in the State pays to play on teams, camps, showcases and leagues outside of their Association or High School Team. That's exactly how you get noticed. Scouts don't just wander into Arenas all over the State and see if someone jumps out at them. That would be a waste of time when they can go to one of these events and see multiple kids from all over the State.

How far do you think a kid from Edina gets in his Hockey career if he plays High School Hockey from November through February and then puts his skates away until the following November? Do you think he gets recruited hard to play at a D1 College? No, he has to make an effort just like the kid from Moose Lake does. It doesn't matter where you are from, the opportunity to get noticed is there for every kid. If you're not willing to take advantage of it then it's your own fault. There is no aspect of life where you can expect more than an opportunity. Why would Hockey be any different? I don't understand where you people are coming from so I guess we can just agree to disagree.
Actually this is where I will disagree with you. If a kid plays for Edina's varsity team and he's one of the best players on Edina's varsity team then actually he will be found just doing that because Edina's varsity team is a perennial power that produces a lot of talent and college and junior scouts actually regularly attend the top Minneapolis metro area high school teams games during the winter season. Now it's probably unlikely a kid can become that good with only playing from November through February however it is theoretically possible and if he is that good he will be found just playing for Edina, where as that would not likely be the case for most out state teams.

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Post by old goalie85 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:54 pm

Didn't Edina have line? three kids Budish being one that played three sports not long ago ?? They couldn't have skated year round. I think all three moved on to "the next level". Yes I understand not the norm, still possible.

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Post by nobody » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:53 am

It looked like the Gentry/Gradiant 03 team invite team did alright at the meltdown last weekend

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Post by O-townClown » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:44 pm

http://www.bt03hockey.com/page/show/246 ... vitational

STRONG field this weekend in Fort Lauderdale. Gentry faced the top teams in the US for 2003.
Be kind. Rewind.

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Post by old goalie85 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:26 pm

now those parents get it. I was in Victoria watching my kid vs HF in a blzzard then driving to STA then Forest Lake. They were in Miami [southbeach ?] :oops:

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Post by Hockeyfather » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:33 am

O-townClown wrote:http://www.bt03hockey.com/page/show/246 ... vitational

STRONG field this weekend in Fort Lauderdale. Gentry faced the top teams in the US for 2003.
*Outside of MN :lol:

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