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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:56 pm
I understand quite a few Bantam teams going down. No Fast Hockey or whatever it's called now streaming. Is there any streaming that anyone is aware of? Good Luck MN boys!
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Are the MN teams the only teams from a single community? The other teams are AAA teams with players from anywhere, correct?Crusty wrote:Blaine Bengals
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So there aren't any Geographical restrictions though? Can a team like Honeybaked take players from the entire Detroit Metro area?NotMinnesotan wrote:Most AAA teams are made up of local kids until midget age. Bantams most kids aren't moving away from home so they play for their closest teams. Obviously there are examples of the kids playing for teams away from their home but it just isn't as prevelant as at midget level.
Honeybaked can have kids from Kazahkstan if they want.Jeffy95 wrote:So there aren't any Geographical restrictions though? Can a team like Honeybaked take players from the entire Detroit Metro area?NotMinnesotan wrote:Most AAA teams are made up of local kids until midget age. Bantams most kids aren't moving away from home so they play for their closest teams. Obviously there are examples of the kids playing for teams away from their home but it just isn't as prevelant as at midget level.
What? They have, have had, players from all over the world.Can a team like Honeybaked take players from the entire Detroit Metro area?
Wow, that's pretty impressive then that MN teams from one single community can compete so well against all these other teams.observer wrote:What? They have, have had, players from all over the world.Can a team like Honeybaked take players from the entire Detroit Metro area?
Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
I agree that up to six months at Bantam Age is really not a big deal. Maybe in Squirts or PeeWees but not in Bantams. Either way, this is more than offset by the MN teams being confined to players in a single community. These other teams can grab the best players from anywhere in the world. If MN did that it wouldn't even be worth their while going to the tournament.barry_mcconnell wrote:Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
I have always been curious about this. Let's say MH allows true Tier 1 programs that can recruit kids from anywhere. What do you think happens?Jeffy95 wrote:I agree that up to six months at Bantam Age is really not a big deal. Maybe in Squirts or PeeWees but not in Bantams. Either way, this is more than offset by the MN teams being confined to players in a single community. These other teams can grab the best players from anywhere in the world. If MN did that it wouldn't even be worth their while going to the tournament.barry_mcconnell wrote:Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
There wouldn't be anywhere near 10 teams. I would be surprised if you could even get one full team. There has never been much demand for Tier 1 here because there is just no need for it. You can get the same competition right in the Metro. Who would spend that kind of time and money on travel when you don't have to? Other states don't have that option which is why Tier 1 serves a need and exists there.hipcheck62 wrote:I have always been curious about this. Let's say MH allows true Tier 1 programs that can recruit kids from anywhere. What do you think happens?Jeffy95 wrote:I agree that up to six months at Bantam Age is really not a big deal. Maybe in Squirts or PeeWees but not in Bantams. Either way, this is more than offset by the MN teams being confined to players in a single community. These other teams can grab the best players from anywhere in the world. If MN did that it wouldn't even be worth their while going to the tournament.barry_mcconnell wrote:Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
It seems to me that there are plenty of people that would look to cash in and there would be a minimum of 10 teams in the metro area all competing for kids, thus preventing super teams from forming, at least initially. Maybe after 4-5 years it becomes clear who the choice programs are and the talent begins to consolidate but I still there there would still be enough choices and some kids would still play for their local association, for financial or other reasons, that you would not get dominant teams like you might expect.
I base this on the spring/summer teams who can compete with anyone nationally but by no means dominate. I am from WI so this is pure speculation but am I wrong? Curious to know what you think.
Humbly disagree. I think there'd be a lot of interest. Shattuck, Gentry Galaxy (03 team basically plays as a Tier 1 team, it's mentioned in this post), the Blades, there is plenty of interest in the Tier 1 model in Minnesota.Jeffy95 wrote:There wouldn't be anywhere near 10 teams. I would be surprised if you could even get one full team. There has never been much demand for Tier 1 here because there is just no need for it. You can get the same competition right in the Metro. Who would spend that kind of time and money on travel when you don't have to? Other states don't have that option which is why Tier 1 serves a need and exists there.hipcheck62 wrote:I have always been curious about this. Let's say MH allows true Tier 1 programs that can recruit kids from anywhere. What do you think happens?Jeffy95 wrote:I agree that up to six months at Bantam Age is really not a big deal. Maybe in Squirts or PeeWees but not in Bantams. Either way, this is more than offset by the MN teams being confined to players in a single community. These other teams can grab the best players from anywhere in the world. If MN did that it wouldn't even be worth their while going to the tournament.barry_mcconnell wrote:Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
It seems to me that there are plenty of people that would look to cash in and there would be a minimum of 10 teams in the metro area all competing for kids, thus preventing super teams from forming, at least initially. Maybe after 4-5 years it becomes clear who the choice programs are and the talent begins to consolidate but I still there there would still be enough choices and some kids would still play for their local association, for financial or other reasons, that you would not get dominant teams like you might expect.
I base this on the spring/summer teams who can compete with anyone nationally but by no means dominate. I am from WI so this is pure speculation but am I wrong? Curious to know what you think.
I will take that bet and bet the farm!barry_mcconnell wrote:Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
I 100% disagree on this.... 6 months at bantam age is where it makes THE MOST difference. Have you been to bantam games before? Have you seen the unbelievable size difference that occurs at the bantam age? You have kids who are 5'0" tall and 110 lbs playing against kids that are 6'2" and 200 lbs.... and I can tell you for a fact that six months makes a HUGE difference at that age. My oldest son was 5'1" and 115 lbs at the beginning of October of his first year of bantams, by March at the end of his first year of bantams he was 5'5" and 135 lbs... you don't think that made a huge difference in his game? ..... Further he is an August birthday in a state where they go purely by birth year. In MN he would have still been a Pee Wee, here he was a bantam. So again in my humble opinion you have it backwards. In my vast experience six months isn't that big of a deal at mites and squirts or even pee wees for the most part but it's a HUGE deal at bantams.Jeffy95 wrote:I agree that up to six months at Bantam Age is really not a big deal. Maybe in Squirts or PeeWees but not in Bantams. Either way, this is more than offset by the MN teams being confined to players in a single community. These other teams can grab the best players from anywhere in the world. If MN did that it wouldn't even be worth their while going to the tournament.barry_mcconnell wrote:Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
While I won't go as far as to say size doesn't matter, it most certainly does not make the "MOST" difference (to quote you). Ability to play the game is what makes the most difference. How big was the leading scorer in the USHL last year? He was playing against men.... Yes, kids hit growth spurt at different times, but only some will it make a difference for in that 6 month window. There is a 2nd half 03 birth year in our association that is bigger than most of the 01 second year bantams in our association, he is playing PW his size does not make him better....JSR wrote:I 100% disagree on this.... 6 months at bantam age is where it makes THE MOST difference. Have you been to bantam games before? Have you seen the unbelievable size difference that occurs at the bantam age? You have kids who are 5'0" tall and 110 lbs playing against kids that are 6'2" and 200 lbs.... and I can tell you for a fact that six months makes a HUGE difference at that age. My oldest son was 5'1" and 115 lbs at the beginning of October of his first year of bantams, by March at the end of his first year of bantams he was 5'5" and 135 lbs... you don't think that made a huge difference in his game? ..... Further he is an August birthday in a state where they go purely by birth year. In MN he would have still been a Pee Wee, here he was a bantam. So again in my humble opinion you have it backwards. In my vast experience six months isn't that big of a deal at mites and squirts or even pee wees for the most part but it's a HUGE deal at bantams.Jeffy95 wrote:I agree that up to six months at Bantam Age is really not a big deal. Maybe in Squirts or PeeWees but not in Bantams. Either way, this is more than offset by the MN teams being confined to players in a single community. These other teams can grab the best players from anywhere in the world. If MN did that it wouldn't even be worth their while going to the tournament.barry_mcconnell wrote:Totally disagree. I'd bet each MN 02 team had at least 50% 01's. And it makes a HUGE difference.MWS coach wrote:Yes, but also playing with 03's. First half of birth year for 3's and second half for 01's.NotMinnesotan wrote:You should like your chances, only bantam teams playing with 01's.
Not as much as an age difference when 02's move up to U16 next season when 1st half of 01's will also be on rosters.
At this stage of the game, 1/2 a year in either direction is not as big of a deal as you may think. You can either play the game or not. Sure some kid may be a little more physically developed, but than can happen with an 03 as well. Just as an older player such as an 01 may not have developed as much physically.
There is also a true T1 Minnesota team playing at 03 level, Gentry Galaxy, last I looked they are 3-0 and lost exhibition game to Mission by a goal on Thursday night!
I'd also take umbrage with your idea that most of these Bantam AAA teams are taking players from "all over the world", sorry but that is not reality. 99% of the AAA teams that at are bantam age and younger are taking kids that are within driving distance to their rinks. I'll admit that midgets are a different animal but bantams and younger the kids overwhelmingly are from within a 2 hour drive of the AAA team's home rink. To give that further reality, yes MN takes from their "communities" but most of the communities up there have more hockey players in them than most AAA teams do within that same circumference. The Madison Capitols for instance if you drew a two hour drive circumference around Capitol Ice arena, you'd probably have the same number of players roughly that Edina has in a given age group....
Lastly, I think the Blades and other MN "all star" teams have proven time and again that while they can create more of them, that their "all star" teams aren't any better than the top AAA teams and going to these tournaments is more than worth their while. Everyone respects that you have greater numbers of players up there and the depth is superb but the top end talent isn't any better than top end talent elsewhere. :/
That's the best description I've ever heard.JoltDelivered wrote:Tier 1 has been, at least in recent years, a solution looking for a problem in MN.