93 and 94 Blades Roster Changes

PAMESH · Post by **PAMESH** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:09 am

I am not ripping Bernie. I am ripping people who hold Bernie in such high regard that they think he is going to take their 8 year old and turn them into a D-1 player. Bernie's success was built on a team of players that were already the best in their class. I have heard some really good things about Bernie. One he emphasizes stick handling and skating and makes them do it over and over and over again. Repittion is the way young players develop skills. The problem is not all kids develop the athleticism and strength to become D-1 hockey players. We can not look at a group of 8 year olds and identify the ones that will. They change way to much. Being good at 8 is no gaurantee you will be good at 17 and spending $5000 dollars a summer is not going to buy it for them either. It is just not worth it. I heard a story about a young kid playing for Bernie who was asked to play in the MN Selects. The dad had to call Bernie to make sure it was ok. The guy asked him do you think if he misses one practice with Bernie he will get cut. The father said yes. Why would you want to play summer hockey under that type of pressure.

8AAScout · Post by **8AAScout** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:56 am

the kids and parents who have been trained by bernie get more out of the deal than bernie ever would. if you ahve not had the opportunity to talk to the man, and have your child mentored by him, then you cannot speak. it is all in preparation and work ethic. bernie has done more for minnesota hockey, than usa hockey. there is a thread title what needs to change in minnesota hockey. answered simply, give the whole organization to bernie, and watch it flourish.

LookForTheWebbing · Post by **LookForTheWebbing** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:13 pm

8AAScout you can get off your knees now I am sure Bernie has had enough. $350,000 dollar a year salary is pretty nice return for giving so much to these parents. I had a player play for him the minute I realized how big a scam it was I stopped. 10 hours of ice for $300 dollars. I could get 10 people together charge them $300 dollars and give them 30 hours of ice. This is because I would'nt be paying a large salary to myself. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... Webbing</A> at: 4/14/06 2:25 pm

Hockeystud27 · Post by **Hockeystud27** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:35 pm

You have to remember not everyone makes D-1 or let alone pros. But I think it is an advantage playing on a team like this and paying the money because your getting something good out of this. Better team usually means better tournaments which mean more scouts that will watch kids at a young age and watch them every year to see if they get better.

hockey school · Post by **hockey school** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:07 am

wow those of you on here ripping on bernie i would just like you to know that, that is my dad he is a great guy for real. and i would know for sure growing up with him, he might be really strict and you dont think his stuff is worth the money it will pay off in the end. If you havent tried it you dont know....wow honestly he is a great coach will help your kid to succeed. Do you really think that all of those boys that were on the 88's team were that good to start off with no i dont think so...i watch them play from the time i was really little and until now...he is a great hockey coach and the ones on here talking bad about him you dont even understand how hard he works for your kids. He dedicates a lot of his time and your kids. He loves teaching them how to play hockey and improve there game. I thank my dad for everything he has done for me i owe everything to him! My brother wasnt always really good at hockey. He worked so hard to be where he is today and i am so proud of him and my dad for helping to improve him. My brother probably used to think he was way to tough on him but if you look at where he is at today...he owes a lot of it to my father. I cant believe you people on here ripping on her honestly not cool at all...cause you dont understand how hard he works for these kids thats just it you dont know him so you shouldnt be talking. Maybe because you are just not as successful as him you dont have to put him down maybe you should work harder. ~sincinerly HopE RaE McBain...Bernies daughter..

Cap19tain · Post by **Cap19tain** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:25 am

The facts: Bernie knows hockey, and he makes a nice living working many hours teaching hockey. Bernie is strict. Bernie is clear in his expectations. My sons are better hockey players, and of better character, in part because of instruction/direction/guidance from Bernie. Families are free to go elsewhere to spend their money. It's that simple. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... p19tain</A> at: 4/20/06 6:26 am

mnblds88 · Post by **mnblds88** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:12 pm

It will be interesting to hear some of the "Machine" parents talk after this summer. Especially the ones that he will cut. It is a pipe dream to think that he can manufacture your kids into hockey players. I heard there are people moving into Edina to be closer to Bernies school...if you put that money into a 7% bond right now, your kid will be better off. Think about it.

slappy11 · Post by **slappy11** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:36 am

How utterly ironic it is that you make the comments you made about player turnover with Bernie in a Blades thread. If you were to talk to him, the reason he left the Blades is because the Blades wanted him to just cut kids mid-season and he was not willing to do that. But if you want to eat up every bad word that someone says or screams about Bernie, than you have a problem that no one can fix.

slappy11 · Post by **slappy11** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:02 am

Pamesh, I just came accross another doozy of a post from you as I read thru the rest of this thread. It is seriously time to stop talking on a subject you know very little about. It is ignorance like yours that can cause so many problems. "I heard a story..", that's always when you want to make sure to believe all of it and tell everyone you know. It sounds to me that you and a couple of others on here are either very bitter because your son was not initially chosen for one of his teams or because you are frustrated with one of his teams defeating your sons team. either way toughen up and smarten up...why don't you stop and really think about why you are trying to tear the guy down and don't reply with your meek "I'm not ripping Bernie I'm ripping the parents" bull. Even so stop and think about what gives you the right to rip them for doing what they feel is best for their child.

2HandSlash · Post by **2HandSlash** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:16 am

I know a "Machine" player, after talking with him and his parents the only problem I see is the huge letdown from having Bernie as a coach all summer to having the coach he had. It was a step backwards for him. He loves the way Bernie coaches, dedicated, discplined, competitive and always getting you to give your very best. A previous post asked the question about spending $5000 and playing with that much pressure all summer. IT"S CALLED COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION, if you can't handle it stay home.

mnhockey362 99 · Post by **mnhockey362 99** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:34 am

I will have to agree with SLAPPY, sounds like a bunch of bitter parents. My son has played for Bernie, and loved it. Bernie is a good coach, and a great guy. As I said in another post, yes he makes money, would you do your job for free? If so, I could use a few people in my office, that cost me nothing. By the way "LookForTheWebbing" not sure where you are buying ice, but 30 hours would cost you about $5,400, so charging 10 people $300 a piece ($3,000), you would lose money, very generous of you.

2HandSlash · Post by **2HandSlash** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:47 am

McBain, Carmen and Palm all Bernie's former MN88's. All members of the GOLD MEDAL winning U-18 team. Jamie even got named to the all tourney team. 2006 IIHF World Under-18 Championship April 22, 2006 Team USA Wins Back-To-Back IIHF World Under-18 World Championship U.S. Tops Finland 3-1 in Gold Medal Game ÄNGELHOLM, Sweden -- The U.S. National Under-18 Team topped Finland tonight 3-1 to win the gold medal at the International Ice Hockey Federation World Under-18 Championship. Finland opened the scoring late in the first period when Joonas Kemppainen pushed in a loose puck underneath the U.S. netminder Joe Palmer (Yorkville, N.Y.) to give Team Finland the 1-0 advantage. Team USA struck back 5:34 into the second period when Rhett Rakhshani (Huntington Beach, Calif.) notched his fifth goal of the tournament when he scored on a feed from Mike Ratchuk (Buffalo, N.Y.) and Blake Geoffrion (Brentwood, Tenn.). USA gained the 2-1 lead with less than a second remaining in the second stanza. Team USA was swarming the Finnish net and Chris Summers (Milan, Mich.) slid the puck across the line as time expired to give Team USA the 2-1 advantage after two periods. In the third period, Erik Johnson (Bloomington, Minn.) was assessed a five minute penalty for checking to the head while Team USA was already short two men. The U.S. killed seven consecutive minutes of a Finish power-play with great saves from Palmer and a stingy U.S. defense. With seconds remaining in the game, Mike Carman (Apple Valley, Minn.) scored an empty-net goal to cap off the victory for Team USA. “Tonight was an unbelevievable experience,” said USA Head Coach John Hynes. “To watch a group of guys realize a dream they set into motion two years ago is really something special.” NOTES: It is the first time in USA Hockey history for a team to win back-to-back gold medals at the same event ... It is the first time a U.S. National Under-18 Team has won the gold medal with all of the players coming from the National Team Development Program ... USA netminder Joe Palmer earned Player of the Game for Team USA, the sixth different player for Team USA in as many games during the tournament ... Johnson, Jamie McBain (Faribault, Minn.) and Patrick Kane (Buffalo, N.Y.) were named to the All-Tournament Team ... The IIHF World Under-18 Championship is a yearly event featuring the top 10 countries in the world. This year’s field includes: Russia, Germany, Belarus, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden, Finland, Canada, and Norway. U.S. National Under-18 Team at IIHF World Under-18 Championship Date Opponent Arena Time/Result April 7 Sweden* Helsingborg W, 5-2 April 9 Finland* Halmstad W, 8-4 April 12 Russia Ängelholm W, 4-2 April 13 Germany Ängelholm W, 9-0 April 15 Czech Republic Ängelholm W, 5-0 April 17 Belarus Ängelholm W, 12-1 April 20 Semifinal Game Ängelholm W, 4-3 (OT) April 22 Gold Medal Game Ängelholm W, 3-1 * Exhibition Game USA 0-2-1 -- 3 FIN 1-0-0 -- 1 First Period - Scoring: 1, FIN, Kemppainen, 15:27. Penalties: USA, Summers (tripping), 10:39; FIN, Puustinen (boarding), 14:21; FIN, Heikkila (interference), 15:53; FIN, Warn (interference), 19:03. Second Period - Scoring: 2, USA, Rakhshani (Ratchuk, Geoffrion), 5:24; 3, USA, Summers, 19:59. Penalties: FIN, Antonen (interference), 5:59; USA, Summers (slashing), 9:20; USA, Rakhshani (slashing), 14:56; FIN, Antonen (tripping), 18:55. Third Period - Scoring: 4, USA, Carman, (en) 19:58. Penalties: FIN, Jasu (holding), 4:49; USA, Wilson (cross-checking), 8: 14; USA, Geoffrion (tripping), 9:20; USA, Johnson (checking to the head), 13:14; USA, Johnson (game misconduct), 13:14. Shots By Period 1 2 3 Total USA 13 23 10 46 FIN 11 6 14 31 Goaltending (SH-SV) 1 2 3 Total USA, Palmer (60:00) 11-10 6-6 14-14 31-30 FIN, Helenius (59:1<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> 13-13 23-21 9-9 45-43 Power Play: USA 1-6; FIN 0-8 Penalties: USA 10-35; FIN 6-12 Officials: Referee - Nadir Mandioni (SWI); Linesmen - Kelly Balaberda (CAN), Anders Karlberg (SWE).

mrslasher · Post by **mrslasher** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:16 pm

Bernie brings a lot of good ideas and really works the kids to be the best that can be.

PAMESH · Post by **PAMESH** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:36 pm

Slappy11 you need to read what I said again. read it slow so you don't get confused again. post 1 This is an inquiry for the actual story about the great 88 team Bernie supposedly created. Is my question true or false? since you know so much <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I might be mistaken but didn't Bernie create that 88 team when those kids were older 2nd year peewees and first year bantams? They only played together for a couple of years. Most of his team came from the blades and team minnesota. I'm fairly certain his son Jamie played on the blades a few years.<hr></blockquote> post 2 You might say that most of what I say here is based on actual research. Go read about the development of boys in athletics and you will find that there is no corolation between the successful 8 year old male athletes and successfull adult male athletes. To help you understand. If your good at 8 is no gaurantee you will be good at 28. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I am not ripping Bernie. I am ripping people who hold Bernie in such high regard that they think he is going to take their 8 year old and turn them into a D-1 player. Bernie's success was built on a team of players that were already the best in their class. I have heard some really good things about Bernie. One he emphasizes stick handling and skating and makes them do it over and over and over again. Repittion is the way young players develop skills. The problem is not all kids develop the athleticism and strength to become D-1 hockey players. We can not look at a group of 8 year olds and identify the ones that will. They change way to much. Being good at 8 is no gaurantee you will be good at 17 and spending $5000 dollars a summer is not going to buy it for them either. It is just not worth it. I heard a story about a young kid playing for Bernie who was asked to play in the MN Selects. The dad had to call Bernie to make sure it was ok. The guy asked him do you think if he misses one practice with Bernie he will get cut. The father said yes. Why would you want to play summer hockey under that type of pressure?<hr></blockquote> Slappy11 I heard the story from the coach that asked the kid to play is that reliable enough for you. I have no ill feelings toward Bernie. No reason he has never been involved in any of my childrens age groups and we never tried out for the lake placid trip. I hope Bernie brings AAA hockey to MN. If anyone is going to do it he will. He has two years to do so so I can benefit from it. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> Do you want another story about how his wife told me they wouldn't let Jamie play soccer at age 8 or 9 because he had to focus on his hockey. You people really need to stop with the insults it makes you appear defensive. Webbing you can get ice at fogerty for $110 an hour. $135 in the Winter. I guess you will have to charge the goalies or you will be $300 bucks short. But good estimate. Frugal hockey parents need to know where the cheap ice is. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... >PAMESH</A> at: 4/25/06 1:47 pm

slappy11 · Post by **slappy11** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:45 am

Everyone, I have done some reaserch of my own. I called one of Bernie's 96 Machine Parents to see what they paid this summer. He told me that they paid $1475 for the season (March- August). That was 120 hours of practice and 5 tournaments.That is a total of about 150 hour on ice. $10 bucks an hour for ice, plus his time. Think about it, he's not making a dime. As far as the '88s go I am very familiar with the '88 birth year as I have coached many '88 teams in "select" type tournaments which involved many of the boys that played for Bernie and know many of the families very well. That team was the Blades for 1 year and then pulled out of the Blades and became the Minnesota '88s. They were only a two line team for the two peewee years and then added a 3rd line when they got Bantams. After the boys got past select 15's the team still skated together for the last 2 years under Bernie, but not to compete, but to train. Nine of the boys were on the team for the entire 6 year run, 2 of the boys were on the team for 5 years. If you have a hard time counting that means that 11 of the boys were together training with Bernie for 5 years plus the last 2 years while they were in H.S.. Total of 7 years. I challange you to show me anyone that took 11 kids at Squirt age and has had that kind of success. If you want some proof go to the USA hockey web site and read the feature story on Eric Johnson and Tony Mosey, both families give Bernie alot of credit for thier success. In the end from his team he will have 10-12 D1 players and 8 or 9 NHL draft picks. Enough said...or is there something else you still would like answered?!

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:59 am

Those numbers do not sound out of line at all. 10.00 an hour is a good deal. I have watched this team practice before and was very impressed. The practice tempo was very fast and every player went hard all the time. He would have the kids stop and do the drill again if they were not understanding what to do, and they eventually got it. He never neglected a single player the entire time.

PAMESH · Post by **PAMESH** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:34 pm

Nice post slappy better then flying off with the insults.

runtsrule · Post by **runtsrule** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:02 pm

Does Bernie also walk on water? Or does he teach that skill @ 6Am practices?<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

upucker · Post by **upucker** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:18 pm

Its called The Breakfast Club!!! Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... upucker</A> at: 4/28/06 11:19 pm

larsey · Post by **larsey** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:27 am

Yes, it is called the breakfast club. Also, if there is anyone that actually could walk on water, it WOULD be Bernie! Bernie does not care if you have natural talent (like a Mosey or Carman), or not (like his own son Jamie) He WILL make you a top notch hockey player if you want it.

waylon · Post by **waylon** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:45 pm

I have son on the team,so far it has been a positive experience Bernie is very strict,but we were all aware of his expectations before we paid,the money, Bernie has a way unlike Iv'e ever seen for getting the most out of the kids<I have an older son who is now in highschool who played AAA hockey from 8yrs old on,I've seen about every gimik out there to improve your hockey skills,I've spent many Thousands of $ over the years,My '97 was not enjoying 6 hr's of practice per week at 1st,He is developing a passion for hockey that wasn't there,my older son had passion from day 1,Bernie is not afraid to talk about the NHL,D1,being the best in not only Minnesota,the World!!!!!!!!!!! Passion/Dream
Don't worry My son won't be cut he's one of our top players,Berie isn't going to cut anyone anyways,He will develop the ones who need more work,as long as there commited 110%
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