Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:30 am
And there were those that use to say hockey would never survive, or grow, in the U.S.
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And this same approach that basketball, football, soccer and bassically every single other college sport uses has hurt the growth of those sports how exactly???WayOutWest wrote:First, nice last comment, Tiger. And let me say that if you truly believe I am at all accountable to you, it is YOU that lives in a bubble, junior.Tigers33 wrote:Way out west and Mulefarm - your arguments are merely your opinion. That is fine, but neither of you are making a strong case for your argument.
Please give me reasons why this is bad. Please give me reasons why Illinois would be bad for hockey. Not just because its what you want to see happen, but some type of credible reason.
I am pretty sure the AD's and presidents of the universities in the Big Ten would not form a hockey conference if they didnt think it was a good idea in the long run. Losing rivalries matters to the average fan, but not the universities.
You guys must live in your own lil bubble.
Secondly, there isn't as much money in college hockey as some of you folks tend to believe. There are reasons that many of the mega-schools don't have hockey programs. Is it because they cannot recruit? Highly doubtful. I am sure you can figure it out, though.
And to talk to me about my opinions when most all of what is being presented here is nothing but..............is beyond ludicrous.
The Illinois thing is PURE speculation at this point. One article in LPH is not evidence of what is going to transpire, unless you believe the author was Nostradamus???
It also doesn't take much "cyphering" to realize that many of the smaller programs, today, are benefiting from revenue linked to their play against larger programs which produce more draw. If you pull the larger programs out of current conferences and leave conferences with only smaller programs, they will suffer............to the point that some programs will undoubtedly be forced to shut down.
Rivalries are lost.
Many programs get poorer.
Are you supplanting the lost programs and rivalries with the Penn States and Illinois'? Maybe. But starting new programs to supplant old not only loses rivalries but also rich program histories, which are important to many in the game.
Are you creating more "interest" by getting programs in larger schools, thereby obtaining a net win?
That seems to be an opinion, but there is nothing guaranteed or even strongly evidenced, there, to support that. You are counting on "creating" interest in a sport. That's more than a leap of faith, AND something that YOU need to provide a cogent argument for.
You are truly living in your own little world. I am a fan of all college hockey, that doesn't mean I have to be blind and ignorant to facts. Nice job by the way of cutting off my quote and ignoring the part about "the national fanbase" and the "casual fan" being the ones I said that don't give a rats ass about those programs i mentioned. No one said we should scrap any of those programs any more so than we should scrap midmajors in football and basketball but let's face it, there is a pecking order and larger schools bring larger audiences, that doesn't mean there isn't a place for non-large or "BCS" schools, same as in other sports. That is just factWayOutWest wrote:So you are obviously not also a fan of Cornell, Mercyhurst, Niagra, Holy Cross, RIT, Western Michigan, Northern Michigan, Michigan Tech, Alaska, Alaska-Anchorage, Vermont, Maine, Lake Superior, Ferris State, Bowling Green, Miami, Union, Dartmoth, Colgate, etc. etc. etc. No national prominence with any of them.JSR wrote: no one gives a rats behind about Mankato, or Bjemdji, or UMD or Northern Michigan. I'm sorry,they don;t, yes hard core hockey fans appreciate the tradition and level of play of these schools but to grow a sport you need casual fans and national prominence, none of which was happening by propping up all the "state schools" in Minnesota (outside of the Gophers). It may suck but it's reality. This is good for the long term survival of D1 college hockey and it can already be seen.
Apparently, you believe we should scrap them all. No one gives a rats behind about them, right?
We need to merely present this opportunity to the likes of USC, LSU, Oklahoma, Florida, and Tennesse, and get some REAL nationally prominent programs into play and generate some REAL interest.
Yeah, go with that.
I assume that what you are trying to imply is that because a school has a bigger fan base, that naturally corresponds to many more paying butts in the seats for any given sport.JSR wrote: It's pure numbers not speculation when you have a national school fanbase of over 100,000 versus a schoolo with a national fanbase of about 10,000. What is it about those numbers that do not make sense to you?
First, learn how to spell, for your OWN good.Tigers33 wrote: You two are Mr. negatice when it comes to most things on this board...You two are the two dads that love to complain in the stands all the time
And yet............you are.JSR wrote: I am a fan of all college hockey, that doesn't mean I have to be blind and ignorant to facts.
LOL... typical response of the 5 year old mentality that WoW brings to this board. Someone else brings a coherent response that doesn't agree with his and he assumes an alias or the people are friends, ignoring obvious cues that dispute both those idiotic theories.... "but you go"....WayOutWest wrote:First, learn how to spell, for your OWN good.Tigers33 wrote: You two are Mr. negatice when it comes to most things on this board...You two are the two dads that love to complain in the stands all the time
Secondly, you are either an alias of JSR, or you are MORE than fast friends.
Third, this last piece of speculation falls directly in line with everything else you have provided. All SWAG's. But, you go!!
What are you talking about?? Wow, really just, wow... could you be anymore incoherent?WayOutWest wrote:I assume that what you are trying to imply is that because a school has a bigger fan base, that naturally corresponds to many more paying butts in the seats for any given sport.JSR wrote: It's pure numbers not speculation when you have a national school fanbase of over 100,000 versus a schoolo with a national fanbase of about 10,000. What is it about those numbers that do not make sense to you?
Because it exists in a crowd, it must therefore be popular. Right? Wrong!!
I present to you...............the WNBA.
It's tough for you to keep pace, isn't it?JSR wrote:What are you talking about?? Wow, really just, wow... could you be anymore incoherent?WayOutWest wrote:I assume that what you are trying to imply is that because a school has a bigger fan base, that naturally corresponds to many more paying butts in the seats for any given sport.JSR wrote: It's pure numbers not speculation when you have a national school fanbase of over 100,000 versus a schoolo with a national fanbase of about 10,000. What is it about those numbers that do not make sense to you?
Because it exists in a crowd, it must therefore be popular. Right? Wrong!!
I present to you...............the WNBA.
east hockey wrote:Looks like you guys picked up where you left off on the WCHA, no more thread, huh?
Lee
Your lack of comprehension is NOT an valid assessment of "sense."Tigers33 wrote:Some of us have lives Wayout. Let me spell this out - You have made Z-E-R-O sense during this whole argument.
JSR wrote:I'm done. I brought facts and logic and sense to a really good topic of discussion. WoW brought his usual nonsense. I'm done but keep it open I love watching WoW reply.
By the way, the only thing more embarassing than your attempts at "logic and sense" is posting as multiple aliases, in a futile attempt to fortify your stance.JSR wrote:I'm done. I brought facts and logic and sense to a really good topic of discussion. WoW brought his usual nonsense. I'm done but keep it open I love watching WoW reply.
I would say Sherlock Holmes' job is safe here.WayOutWest wrote:By the way, the only thing more embarassing than your attempts at "logic and sense" is posting as multiple aliases, in a futile attempt to fortify your stance.JSR wrote:I'm done. I brought facts and logic and sense to a really good topic of discussion. WoW brought his usual nonsense. I'm done but keep it open I love watching WoW reply.
Your posting tactics are as amusing as your opinions:
Need evidence?:
JSR - November 11th - 11:41 a.m.
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Who are you referring too? WoW is #1, who is #2?Tigers33 wrote: You two are Mr. negatice when it comes to most things on this board...You two are the two dads that love to complain in the stands all the time