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Re: CoVid-19

Post by goldy313 » Sun May 03, 2020 10:57 pm

Hunters1993 wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 11:06 pm
Sorry I didn’t answer statements sooner. I had my three 12 hour nursing shifts this weekend. Took a long shower and took a long nap.

No one is asking anyone to stay home for next two months. The governor and the cdc are asking for May and maybe June before things open up slowly. Follow the recommendations of the governor and cdc and then will be happy to care for you.

For those who can’t follow the governor and cdc rules can sign the contract and stay out of the hospital for those who don’t follow rules. It’s for those who can’t just hold on till end of May. Your world won’t crumble to the ground by end of May. Relax! If you can’t relax till then go and take your chances but stay out of the hospital and leave those few ICU beds for those who can follow the rules for two more weeks.
What about people who drive under the influence and get in an accident? What about self inflicted wounds or overdoses? How about those who don’t exercise enough? Those who overeat? Can we just not treat everyone who doesn’t follow CDC guidelines? The CDC has an opinion, so do economists, mental health experts, etc. There has to be a balance, thus far it has been 100% on CDC and flawed models. If the models bore out then we’d be in a different spot.

As of late last week Mayo and their entire complex of hospitals in Rochester had all of 11 Covid-19 positive inpatients. Mayo is a regional level 1 trauma center, one of 3 in Minnesota. Sanford in Sioux Falls isn’t overwhelmed even with the massive outbreaks at packing plants in Sioux Falls and Worthington. Slow down a bit in the cataclysmic worrying.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by goldy313 » Sun May 03, 2020 11:05 pm

Hunters1993 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 7:29 pm
So let me know what you think of the Iowa situation. They never stayed at home. Take a look at deaths and infections compared to Minnesota. Keep in mind the population is half that of Minnesota. Think about how that has worked out for them........
Death rates and infections.

They (Iowa) have less deaths per capita, less than half of Minnesota with about 60% the population. More positive tests but testing in Minnesota has been abysmal.

As of Saturday May 2.....

Minnesota population: 5.64 million, Covid-19 deaths: 419
Iowa population: 3.2 million, Covid-19 deaths: 184
South Dakota population: 884,000, Covid deaths: 21
North Dakota population: 762,000, Covid deaths: 25
Wisconsin population: 5.82 million, Covid deaths: 339.

Minnesota has the highest per capita death rate of any of our neighbors and it really isn’t even close to most of them. Even though, statistically they are all very small rates. You can be excused for not knowing that as our Governor also had no idea during his press conference Thursday.....though the data is easily accessible through the CDC. Reporters knew it, strange how he didn’t yet makes policy in executive order.
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by goldy313 » Sun May 03, 2020 11:34 pm

New Zealand is an island and, not too coincidentally, has an infection rate and death rate similar to Hawaii, both also have less than 5 major airports and lock down fairly easily as no one can drive there and points of entry are extremely limited.

South Korea is also basically an island with only a couple of major international airports. It is fairly easy to lock them down as well.

Comparing either of those two to the US is beyond ludicrous. Germany would be a much better comparison.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by Hunters1993 » Mon May 04, 2020 3:50 am

Yes the stay at home has done its job. That is why the numbers are as low as they are. Open everything up and the numbers will skyrocket. The stay at home has done what was intended. Slow the curve. The data goldy provided shows that.

Many are screaming the sky is falling like chicken little with businesses and sad stories. So the economy is a shambles people need to take a deep breath. Fun little tidbit. How you were doing financially prior to the pandemic will have an effect on how your doing during the pandemic. If you weren’t being financially fiscal and something like this comes along yes things get tough.
Just like our governor said we will get through this and be better on the other side

Goldy how many big cities are there in Iowa. How many in Minnesota. This is where your data is flawed. The big cities with social spacing is impossible and viruses can run rampant. We have two very populated hubs in St Paul and Minneapolis. Not to mention industry plants for meat and packing plants. These places are ripe for virus spread.
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by MrBoDangles » Mon May 04, 2020 6:35 am

Hunters1993 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 3:50 am
Yes the stay at home has done its job. That is why the numbers are as low as they are. Open everything up and the numbers will skyrocket. The stay at home has done what was intended. Slow the curve. The data goldy provided shows that.

Many are screaming the sky is falling like chicken little with businesses and sad stories. So the economy is a shambles people need to take a deep breath. Fun little tidbit. How you were doing financially prior to the pandemic will have an effect on how your doing during the pandemic. If you weren’t being financially fiscal and something like this comes along yes things get tough.
Just like our governor said we will get through this and be better on the other side

Goldy how many big cities are there in Iowa. How many in Minnesota. This is where your data is flawed. The big cities with social spacing is impossible and viruses can run rampant. We have two very populated hubs in St Paul and Minneapolis. Not to mention industry plants for meat and packing plants. These places are ripe for virus spread.
The top Minnesota lady that specializes in this was asked if she thought the State Fair would happen... Guess what she said on one of our local morning shows..? She said that “not enough people will have had it by then” after saying for 15 minutes that “ we needed to keep isolated and wear our masks when out...” I spit out my donut I had inhaled...

All focus on the nursing homes and those with underlying issues and let it run its course as a cold for others!!

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by jg2112 » Mon May 04, 2020 11:03 am

MrBoDangles wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 6:35 am
Hunters1993 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 3:50 am
Yes the stay at home has done its job. That is why the numbers are as low as they are. Open everything up and the numbers will skyrocket. The stay at home has done what was intended. Slow the curve. The data goldy provided shows that.

Many are screaming the sky is falling like chicken little with businesses and sad stories. So the economy is a shambles people need to take a deep breath. Fun little tidbit. How you were doing financially prior to the pandemic will have an effect on how your doing during the pandemic. If you weren’t being financially fiscal and something like this comes along yes things get tough.
Just like our governor said we will get through this and be better on the other side

Goldy how many big cities are there in Iowa. How many in Minnesota. This is where your data is flawed. The big cities with social spacing is impossible and viruses can run rampant. We have two very populated hubs in St Paul and Minneapolis. Not to mention industry plants for meat and packing plants. These places are ripe for virus spread.
The top Minnesota lady that specializes in this was asked if she thought the State Fair would happen... Guess what she said on one of our local morning shows..? She said that “not enough people will have had it by then” after saying for 15 minutes that “ we needed to keep isolated and wear our masks when out...” I spit out my donut I had inhaled...

All focus on the nursing homes and those with underlying issues and let it run its course as a cold for others!!
Okay. Let's focus on the nursing homes and those with underlying issues. What's the federal response for that?

BTW, do "works in a meat processing plant" or "is currently in prison" count as underlying issues? National infection rates indicate they should.

Even doing what you say, and I completely agree with the thought, it doesn't matter if Minnesota adopts this approach with 100% application if North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin don't do the same.

Hypothetical applicable to hockey - a family member living in Wisconsin is COVID positive. He infects his family. His daughter, an asymptomatic carrier, comes to summer hockey camp with 30 skaters on the ice. They skate together for an hour, then all go home to their families. All these people then go to work the following Monday. A bit of a problem without testing and contact tracing, isn't it? That's what we're all looking at this summer.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by 7TIMECHAMPS » Mon May 04, 2020 11:56 am

Hunters1993 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 3:50 am
Yes the stay at home has done its job. That is why the numbers are as low as they are. Open everything up and the numbers will skyrocket. The stay at home has done what was intended. Slow the curve. The data goldy provided shows that.

Many are screaming the sky is falling like chicken little with businesses and sad stories. So the economy is a shambles people need to take a deep breath. Fun little tidbit. How you were doing financially prior to the pandemic will have an effect on how your doing during the pandemic. If you weren’t being financially fiscal and something like this comes along yes things get tough.
Just like our governor said we will get through this and be better on the other side

Goldy how many big cities are there in Iowa. How many in Minnesota. This is where your data is flawed. The big cities with social spacing is impossible and viruses can run rampant. We have two very populated hubs in St Paul and Minneapolis. Not to mention industry plants for meat and packing plants. These places are ripe for virus spread.
Many people are screaming the sky is falling with all of these stories when 345 of the 428 death have been in long term care facilities. Schools and colleges canceled and not a single death under 30.

So what you are saying is if you are low income or young and haven't had time to accumulate wealth then screw you. It is your own fault. I ask again. Have you sold off all of your assets to pay the bills of others? If it isn't that big of a deal (or it is worth the sacrifice) then have you yourself done it? Lead from the front. Also a fun little tidbit. Most business don't have endless amounts of cash on hand. In fact most have debt. They aren't structured to take large amounts of time off. Most are just trying to hang on right now but the longer this goes on the fewer that will. Between those that have actually filed unemployment or are being paid by the paycheck protection program think what the unemployment rate is.

My question to you is what is your plan? Never open up? If you are saying to wait what is your reasoning and for how long? Keep in mind that no hospital has been overwhelmed in the country to this point.

At current transmission rates how long until we reach herd immunity or get a vaccine? That is the real time table right? And if we shelter in place until that time what is the economic fallout when it is all done? If shelter in place for 1-2 years is your answer there is a very high likelihood that we see something worse than the great depression. I would like to see the data supporting the justification for longer stay at home orders. Or are we just delaying the inevitable?

Another possibility could be to gain herd immunity through the young and healthy. Lock down the vulnerable and get the herd immunity and maybe we get through this. Not saying this is a sure fire plan but all approaches should be considered.

And finally your last paragraph plays into a lot of people's frustration on here. Why is rural MN being governed as if it is the same as the metro. For example Roseau county - 1 case, Kittson county - 1 case, LOW county 0 - cases, Pennington county - 1 case. There are more, I can go on. For business owners in these areas it might be frustrating to have your business failing and hospitals struggling financially when there is almost nothing here. Not saying it won't get here but how long will it take? We have been sheltering in place for 2 month's now and nothing has happened. Some of these hospitals may be bankrupt before they treat a single case of COVID. So maybe the governor could consider a little bit more of a regional approach.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by MrBoDangles » Mon May 04, 2020 3:09 pm

jg2112 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 11:03 am
MrBoDangles wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 6:35 am
Hunters1993 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 3:50 am
Yes the stay at home has done its job. That is why the numbers are as low as they are. Open everything up and the numbers will skyrocket. The stay at home has done what was intended. Slow the curve. The data goldy provided shows that.

Many are screaming the sky is falling like chicken little with businesses and sad stories. So the economy is a shambles people need to take a deep breath. Fun little tidbit. How you were doing financially prior to the pandemic will have an effect on how your doing during the pandemic. If you weren’t being financially fiscal and something like this comes along yes things get tough.
Just like our governor said we will get through this and be better on the other side

Goldy how many big cities are there in Iowa. How many in Minnesota. This is where your data is flawed. The big cities with social spacing is impossible and viruses can run rampant. We have two very populated hubs in St Paul and Minneapolis. Not to mention industry plants for meat and packing plants. These places are ripe for virus spread.
The top Minnesota lady that specializes in this was asked if she thought the State Fair would happen... Guess what she said on one of our local morning shows..? She said that “not enough people will have had it by then” after saying for 15 minutes that “ we needed to keep isolated and wear our masks when out...” I spit out my donut I had inhaled...

All focus on the nursing homes and those with underlying issues and let it run its course as a cold for others!!
Okay. Let's focus on the nursing homes and those with underlying issues. What's the federal response for that?

BTW, do "works in a meat processing plant" or "is currently in prison" count as underlying issues? National infection rates indicate they should.

Even doing what you say, and I completely agree with the thought, it doesn't matter if Minnesota adopts this approach with 100% application if North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin don't do the same.

Hypothetical applicable to hockey - a family member living in Wisconsin is COVID positive. He infects his family. His daughter, an asymptomatic carrier, comes to summer hockey camp with 30 skaters on the ice. They skate together for an hour, then all go home to their families. All these people then go to work the following Monday. A bit of a problem without testing and contact tracing, isn't it? That's what we're all looking at this summer.
Well, they did a story on the Minnesota nursing home that had a ton of deaths and then they ended it with their long rap sheet of past violations. I know our government could have stepped in and improved the safety... but didn’t.

Some are getting sick on those assembly lines and in prisons, but the death rates are extremely low. Very elderly and underlying.

I know that S Dakota and N Dakota have a smaller population, but the evidence is really starting to show that they’re doing things right. S Dakota is the one state that offers the dreaded drug that was touted, and it’s ridiculous when you look at their deaths compared to number of cases. Check the stats by state.. an eye opener. *Also remember that one of Minnesota’s hardest hit counties is sparsely populated.

To your last point: Virus’ will spread but I agree with the experts that it’s needed! Protect the elderly and underlying. And remember your word “asymptomatic” because you’re dead on with it.. most will get nothing/sniffle to a low grade fever. Let the young and healthy.. live, build immunity and keep things rolling.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by SEC Scotty » Mon May 04, 2020 4:42 pm

These meat packing plants have to shoulder some of the blame. Did they have a Covid plan? Did it it communicated to a very diverse workforce. I read somewhere the workforce speaks multiple languages and I would hazard to guess most blew it off it they even understood the plan if there was one.

I have been working the whole SAH period as my job is essential. No one wears a mask. I have people walk right up to me as if none of this is even happening. We have a Covid plan. All of the people who came up with the plan are working from home.

I also heard there was a bus shuttling workers between JBS in Worthington and Smithfield In Sioux Falls. Not to bright in my opinion.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by Hunters1993 » Mon May 04, 2020 9:56 pm

Previous post by “7Time”
My question to you is what is your plan? Never open up? If you are saying to wait what is your reasoning and for how long? Keep in mind that no hospital has been overwhelmed in the country to this point.

I am not going to share personal info on a web site or forum board sorry.
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by Hunters1993 » Mon May 04, 2020 10:00 pm

The goal is to slow the curve. It is working

And relax. We will get through this. Things are starting to reopen!
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by Hunters1993 » Mon May 04, 2020 10:16 pm

If you can’t justify staying home for yourself? Let’s think about the twenty plus people you will infect if you do in fact go back to your normal routine and society loses several more victims. My oldest boy is learning about a theory called

“common good”

If you can’t do it for yourself do it for common good!
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by wolfman » Tue May 05, 2020 7:34 am

Common good is another form of socialism. Wake up hunter and wake that kid of yours up also. I sure can tell the liberal,dem Trump haters from the normal regular folk on this subject. Sad deal for the hard working small business owners right here in Minnesota. Lets get back to work.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by jg2112 » Tue May 05, 2020 8:16 am

wolfman wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:34 am
Common good is another form of socialism. Wake up hunter and wake that kid of yours up also. I sure can tell the liberal,dem Trump haters from the normal regular folk on this subject. Sad deal for the hard working small business owners right here in Minnesota. Lets get back to work.
Yes. 100%. Common good = socialism. I love that we have roads, clean water, pristine wilderness, and a great education system in Minnesota. A shared societal obligation, a shared benefit.

The fact the response to a public health pandemic is now partisan is 95% of the problems in modern day America. If we all focused on the common good more often, we'd get more done.

More importantly, Wolfman, if our federal government had focused on the common good in January and February (lock-down, testing, tracing), our hard working business owners would have had income replacement and the virus could have been controlled. Society would now be opened up. Instead, the government is projecting 135,000 dead by August, with a second wave in the fall, and after having their spring seasons cancelled, my kids' fall and winter HS sports seasons are now in jeopardy.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by MrBoDangles » Tue May 05, 2020 12:53 pm

jg2112 wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 8:16 am
wolfman wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:34 am
Common good is another form of socialism. Wake up hunter and wake that kid of yours up also. I sure can tell the liberal,dem Trump haters from the normal regular folk on this subject. Sad deal for the hard working small business owners right here in Minnesota. Lets get back to work.
Yes. 100%. Common good = socialism. I love that we have roads, clean water, pristine wilderness, and a great education system in Minnesota. A shared societal obligation, a shared benefit.

The fact the response to a public health pandemic is now partisan is 95% of the problems in modern day America. If we all focused on the common good more often, we'd get more done.

More importantly, Wolfman, if our federal government had focused on the common good in January and February (lock-down, testing, tracing), our hard working business owners would have had income replacement and the virus could have been controlled. Society would now be opened up. Instead, the government is projecting 135,000 dead by August, with a second wave in the fall, and after having their spring seasons cancelled, my kids' fall and winter HS sports seasons are now in jeopardy.
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by blueblood » Tue May 05, 2020 1:54 pm

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by BodyShots » Tue May 05, 2020 3:45 pm

wolfman wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:34 am
Common good is another form of socialism. Wake up hunter and wake that kid of yours up also. I sure can tell the liberal,dem Trump haters from the normal regular folk on this subject. Sad deal for the hard working small business owners right here in Minnesota. Lets get back to work.
LOL. You need to wake up wolfman and smell the coffee! "Normal regular folk" Show me one, just one.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by karl(east) » Tue May 05, 2020 6:49 pm

This thread is getting political. If that continues, it gets locked.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by ThatMNHockeyGuy62 » Tue May 05, 2020 7:42 pm

karl(east) wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 6:49 pm
This thread is getting political. If that continues, it gets locked.
Thanks Karl. Crazy that a pandemic turns political, but that’s the world we live in. I for one am excited to see updates on summer training programs that are on vs. canceled, inevitable summer transfers/early releases, and who knows maybe even a July tournament if we’re lucky!

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by wolfman » Tue May 05, 2020 11:21 pm

Sorry For dropping the President of the United States of America’s name. I will go back to just reading the Forum like a good boy and keeping my thoughts to myself. Love your blogs Carl and hope I don’t get banned from reading them...

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by Hunters1993 » Wed May 06, 2020 3:22 pm

wolfman wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:34 am
Common good is another form of socialism. Wake up hunter and wake that kid of yours up also. I sure can tell the liberal,dem Trump haters from the normal regular folk on this subject. Sad deal for the hard working small business owners right here in Minnesota. Lets get back to work.
Let’s come at this common good with this virus another way. So you are asymptomatic and go out to watch a summer hockey at your local rink. You stand next to a guy who loves hockey just as much as you. The guy happens to work as a nurse and his wife works in long term care facility. Both of those people have breakfast the next morning sharing a kiss on the way out the door. The guy goes to work and has five patients and works with five other nurses on their floor. So do some addition to figure out how many people you infected? You might not be effected and you may only have the sniffles but how about the five patients the guy next to you cares for at the hospital while being assympotomatic.
Then the wife goes to work in the long term care facility. She takes the virus with her while asymptomatic. This is how the virus gets in long term care places. The long term facilities aren’t letting visitors come in. So how do you feel about infecting a healthcare worker who takes the virus with her to work. How many deaths you think you might have just caused?

Healthcare workers don’t wear nametags when off work and do lots of the same things everyone else does. Nurses are not all middle age women anymore. Many are big spots fans, shop in grocery stores, go to bars in spare time. Think about it!
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by jg2112 » Wed May 06, 2020 3:34 pm

Hunters1993 wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 3:22 pm
wolfman wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 7:34 am
Common good is another form of socialism. Wake up hunter and wake that kid of yours up also. I sure can tell the liberal,dem Trump haters from the normal regular folk on this subject. Sad deal for the hard working small business owners right here in Minnesota. Lets get back to work.
Let’s come at this common good with this virus another way. So you are asymptomatic and go out to watch a summer hockey at your local rink. You stand next to a guy who loves hockey just as much as you. The guy happens to work as a nurse and his wife works in long term care facility. Both of those people have breakfast the next morning sharing a kiss on the way out the door. The guy goes to work and has five patients and works with five other nurses on their floor. So do some addition to figure out how many people you infected? You might not be effected and you may only have the sniffles but how about the five patients the guy next to you cares for at the hospital while being assympotomatic.
Then the wife goes to work in the long term care facility. She takes the virus with her while asymptomatic. This is how the virus gets in long term care places. The long term facilities aren’t letting visitors come in. So how do you feel about infecting a healthcare worker who takes the virus with her to work. How many deaths you think you might have just caused?

Healthcare workers don’t wear nametags when off work and do lots of the same things everyone else does. Nurses are not all middle age women anymore. Many are big spots fans, shop in grocery stores, go to bars in spare time. Think about it!
Wonderful example.

Testing, tracing and isolation. If we don't do it, the death toll will be unfathomable, and nobody will be playing hockey this summer.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by blueblood » Wed May 06, 2020 5:57 pm

Your "wonderful example" causes me to believe that you feel it's in our best interest to be locked up for, say 12 to 18 months, until a FDA approved vaccine is on the market.

Does it also mean that you expect every man, woman, and child to get the vaccine? If so, good luck with that as their are some who believe vaccinating their children is taboo; let alone the persons who don't get a flu vaccine, when they are recommended to do so.
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Re: CoVid-19

Post by 7TIMECHAMPS » Wed May 06, 2020 6:10 pm

blueblood wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 5:57 pm
Your "wonderful example" causes me to believe that you feel it's in our best interest to be locked up for, say 12 to 18 months, until a FDA approved vaccine is on the market.

Does it also mean that you expect every man, woman, and child to get the vaccine? If so, good luck with that as their are some who believe vaccinating their children is taboo; let alone the persons who don't get a flu vaccine, when they are recommended to do so.
Exact same thought. What is the solution to the problem that is given? Lock everyone down until we have a vaccine? We are nowhere near hospital capacity right now and no hospital system to date has been overwhelmed in the US. Taking steps to open the economy is the logical thing to do.

And in your example the easier way to protect the LT care residents would be to lock down all medical professionals, not everyone. The medical worker isn't at the hockey game and all is well right? Millions of scenarios to go through but it is impossible to stop this thing. It is going to run its course.

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Re: CoVid-19

Post by jg2112 » Wed May 06, 2020 7:51 pm

7TIMECHAMPS wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 6:10 pm
blueblood wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 5:57 pm
Your "wonderful example" causes me to believe that you feel it's in our best interest to be locked up for, say 12 to 18 months, until a FDA approved vaccine is on the market.

Does it also mean that you expect every man, woman, and child to get the vaccine? If so, good luck with that as their are some who believe vaccinating their children is taboo; let alone the persons who don't get a flu vaccine, when they are recommended to do so.
Exact same thought. What is the solution to the problem that is given? Lock everyone down until we have a vaccine? We are nowhere near hospital capacity right now and no hospital system to date has been overwhelmed in the US. Taking steps to open the economy is the logical thing to do.

And in your example the easier way to protect the LT care residents would be to lock down all medical professionals, not everyone. The medical worker isn't at the hockey game and all is well right? Millions of scenarios to go through but it is impossible to stop this thing. It is going to run its course.
Several countries stopped the virus. America chose not to try.

Again, nobody wants to be locked down, and opening up would be fine if we had testing and tracing! Why ignore that reality? Test, trace and isolate. We aren’t even trying. That is the critical problem here.

I reiterate - when this wave escalates out of control this summer and fall, what then?

Locked