Lee Any ideas?

hockeymind
Posts: 65
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:54 pm

Lee Any ideas?

Post by hockeymind » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:39 am

Whats your idea for the top ten A and class AA rankings? <p></p><i></i>

MNPuckster27
Posts: 343
Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:57 pm

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by MNPuckster27 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:44 am

On the Minnhock home page the final page2stat rankings are up. They are just computer rankings, so the computer doesnt realize that AHA is state champs and things like that. But according to Lee's version of the BCS it is:<br><br>1. Moorhead<br>2. Centennial<br>3. Holy Angels<br>4. Warroad<br>5. Jefferson<br>6. White Bear Lake<br>7. Apple Valley<br>8. Hill-Murray<br>9. Eden Prairie<br>10. Breck<br><br><br>The computer just determines things like strength of schedule, wins, quality wins, and things like that. <p></p><i></i>

got puck 2345
Posts: 164
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:57 am

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by got puck 2345 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:45 am

those computer rankings shud be burned... you have 2nd place and a team taht didnt even make state in front of the champs <p></p><i></i>

east hockey
Site Admin
Posts: 6626
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:33 am
Location: Proctor, MN
Contact:

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by east hockey » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:47 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>those computer rankings shud be burned<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Really? Think they shud be? <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.minnhock.com/biggrin.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Lee <p>____________<br>Message Board arsonist since 2005</p><i></i>

hillhockey
Posts: 403
Joined: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:53 am

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by hillhockey » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:51 am

I like the rankings. Moorhead is better than Holy Angels, but as everyone except the holy angels fans will probably agree--the best team never wins the state tournament. <p></p><i></i>

got puck 2345
Posts: 164
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:57 am

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by got puck 2345 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:51 am

that or fix them with white out haha <br><br>no offense if you have a particular liking for those rankings haha but i think the champs shoudl be number 1<br><br>and yeah since i attend aha... i definatly disagree... and on the one night it counted.. aha WAS the best <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ck2345>got puck 2345</A> at: 3/15/05 9:52 pm<br></i>

MNPuckster27
Posts: 343
Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:57 pm

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by MNPuckster27 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:09 am

I disagree and i'm not particularly an AHA fan although I do like watching them play. If you win state you should be #1, and if you make it to state, and beat a team there, you should be ranked higher than them (East ahead of WBL), just like if make it to state, you should be ahead of the team you beat in the section finals (WBL ahead of Centennial).<br><br>I like the computer rankings though, they are great throughout the year, its just the final ones that are flawed because the computer takes it as if the teams simply played a 31 game regular season and the last 6 games were no more important than the rest. <p></p><i></i>

got puck 2345
Posts: 164
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:57 am

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by got puck 2345 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:12 am

nice post... especially about the number 1 thing.. i dont think it matters who MIGHT be better<br><br>aha is 1-0 against moorhead<br>moorhead is 0-1 against aha<br><br>i dont think anything else speaks louder than that <p></p><i></i>

east hockey
Site Admin
Posts: 6626
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:33 am
Location: Proctor, MN
Contact:

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by east hockey » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:17 am

MNPuckster, there is a momentum factor built in where games earlier in the season count less than games played later in the season. I know that the state tournament games aren't weighted as highly as some people (defined here, of course, as fans of state championship teams who demand their props) would like, but they are weighted higher than other games played.<br><br>The stated goal of the system, as I've said before, is to design a system that will do the best possible job of seeding the sections. In other words, to beat out the coaches seeding those sections.<br><br>Hey, be thankful I don't just emulate Pairwise <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.minnhock.com/biggrin.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Lee <p>____________<br>Message Board arsonist since 2005</p><i></i>

MNPuckster27
Posts: 343
Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:57 pm

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by MNPuckster27 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:23 am

Lee I love your rankings, I think they should be used to seed the sections with a few twists (Tartan swept Hill but is still lower, I know they arent in the same section but if they were Tartan would have to be higher...... And i'm a Hill fan saying that). Just the end of the year rankings need to at very least have the state champ ranked #1. <p></p><i></i>

east hockey
Site Admin
Posts: 6626
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:33 am
Location: Proctor, MN
Contact:

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by east hockey » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:25 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Just the end of the year rankings need to at very least have the state champ ranked #1. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I leave that to the folks at LPH. It's the only time all season they're correct <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Lee <p>____________<br>Message Board arsonist since 2005</p><i></i>

Zamman
Posts: 2033
Joined: Sat Dec 07, 2002 8:15 pm
Location: Edina

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by Zamman » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:16 am

As much as I like Lee and all he has done for this board, I must disagree with the ranking system. Rankings are only good for arguments, as we have seen on this board over and over and over. We all know after the tournament is over who is the best in the land, and usually it changes year after year.<br>The same happens in all other sports at all levels......<br>I just want to say that I have seen some posts on this board from fellow followers of my beloved Angels that I am ashamed to admit I am a part of. I will leave it at that.... <p>________________________________<br>2005 GIRLS STATE CHAMPS!<br>2002 & 2005 BOYS STATE CHAMPS!!<br>GO STARS!!</p><i></i>

KodiakChew
Posts: 315
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:01 am

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by KodiakChew » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:39 am

Zamman, I agree. But who are these? Not me, right? <p>AHA 2002 & 2005 State Champions!<br></p><i></i>

Zamman
Posts: 2033
Joined: Sat Dec 07, 2002 8:15 pm
Location: Edina

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by Zamman » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:22 pm

Of course not, you should no better than that.....Good luck this weekend. I will be watching!!! <p>________________________________<br>2005 GIRLS STATE CHAMPS!<br>2002 & 2005 BOYS STATE CHAMPS!!<br>GO STARS!!</p><i></i>

joshdog
Posts: 207
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:26 am

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by joshdog » Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:03 pm

These are rating's and they are fun. Most people disagreeing are talking about POLL'S and they are fun too. One uses formula's to decide and the other goes on what people think. <p></p><i></i>

Hockeyisthebest21
Posts: 166
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:41 pm

top 10

Post by Hockeyisthebest21 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:45 pm

I agree that they are fun to look at, but i don't throughly agree on them most of the time. I mean Hill-Murray in the top ten? Let's play hockey puts them at #19 in AA. <p></p><i></i>

rustyblade
Posts: 53
Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2002 3:09 pm

Re: top 10

Post by rustyblade » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:10 pm

Rankings are for the Fans. They do not take into account rivalries or injured players during games. They produce discussion and emotion, but just that. The winners are proven on the ice. I like the rankings, but keep them in perspective. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... tyblade</A> at: 3/16/05 11:46 am<br></i>

hockeymind
Posts: 65
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:54 pm

Re: top 10

Post by hockeymind » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:36 pm

Thanks for the great ideas!!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

got puck 2345
Posts: 164
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:57 am

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by got puck 2345 » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:09 pm

kodiak i think u know that zamman is probably refering to me haha <br><br>sorry zamman <p></p><i></i>

ezpuck
Posts: 10
Joined: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:49 pm

Re: Lee Any ideas?

Post by ezpuck » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:25 pm

The rankings look at the season as a whole and creates rankings based on many factors, as previously stated. The State Tournament looks at who came to play on a given day.<br> Rankings and Tournament Champs are two different things with completely different meanings.<br> I enjoy the rankings, it makes for interesting discussions and is fun to watch develop over the season... BUT.... AHA are the State Champs! <p></p><i></i>

Locked