Cretin Derham 08-09
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Cretin Derham 08-09
How good should cretin be this year? Does anyone think they have a chance to make it out of the section after last years poor showing?
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CDH will make it to state if unproven goalie Ben Walsh performs well. That, however, is a big "if." Defenseman Mark Alt will be the best player in the conference, but the offense will have trouble scoring. Bangs and Zimmerman need to really pick up their performances; Zimmerman has the potential to score 25+ goals. All things considered, I think CDH, like the rest of the SEC and members of the section, is unproven. 35% chance of making state.
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Now that Packerboy has moved on I feel it is my duty to step in and be the voice of all things holy....just kidding.
But I do think we'll be seeing CDH at the X come tourney time. They're nothing flashy but they appear to be solid up and down the line up. If they can catch some goaltending they should be fine.
But I do think we'll be seeing CDH at the X come tourney time. They're nothing flashy but they appear to be solid up and down the line up. If they can catch some goaltending they should be fine.
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Noted.Orty wrote:Woodbury, lack of senior leadership, transition of jv talent, White Bear, and questionable goaltending to name a few - IMO.Goldy Gopher wrote:Any reasoning behind that?Orty wrote:CDH will be middle of the pack or terrible.
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When March comes around I'll ask you if you still want to stick with the "terrible" prediction.
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What makes him the best coach in the state? That's a pretty bold statement to place on somebody who has never won it all.komada77 wrote:Are you saying you disagree?BodyShots wrote:Thats enough Wes Jr.komada77 wrote:They'll be alright-not great, not awful. Section winner will be either CDH or Woodbury, and I give Woodbury the edge because they have the best coach in the state.
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You're funny. You must be a kid. I actually know that CDH takes kids from assn hockey to fill out their JV teams. I think its pretty standard if they attend CDH that they play at least JV as 9th graders...Night Train wrote:That's funny. You must be a kid and you must know something. Minor detail, do they attend Cretin? That would be the first question. Are you suggesting varsity 9th graders?
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I was suggesting you know specific kids as some of the players also attend STA, SPA, Minnehaha, Highland, Como and Central High Schools.
Skip Bantam A to play JV? That's pretty unusual as there isn't much debate about which is better for the player developmentally. 40 games, District Playoffs, 4 tournaments vs. 20 games against mostly weak opponents? The general rule is, unless the player is a top 6 forward or top 4 D and on varsity, finish what you started and play Bantam A. There's still 3 years of high school hockey but you'll never get that final year of Bantam A hockey back. I think several more players would reflect back saying they wished they had played with their buds for a final year as opposed to pushing, and rushing, a not fruitful, personally gratifying, high school season.
I've done a lot of coaching and frankly it's not the skill as I see a lot of skilled younger players. Maybe even skilled enough to play varsity. But, what's missing is the mental piece, and leadership, that develops by leading your team mates as a Bantam A player. It would be extremely rare for a 9th grader to be a leader on a varsity team. What I'm saying, and it's very important, is that I see a lot of skill out there but several players, at all levels, are having difficulty being true leaders of their teams. Leadership is learned through the experience of being one. There's way more to be gained, in my opinion, by picking up your Bantam A team mates, being a true leader of a Bantam A team, and gaining the knowledge and experience of what a true team leader does.
Let me see, finish what you started (don't be a quitter, that's a weakness and not showing leadership) or ride pine?
Skip Bantam A to play JV? That's pretty unusual as there isn't much debate about which is better for the player developmentally. 40 games, District Playoffs, 4 tournaments vs. 20 games against mostly weak opponents? The general rule is, unless the player is a top 6 forward or top 4 D and on varsity, finish what you started and play Bantam A. There's still 3 years of high school hockey but you'll never get that final year of Bantam A hockey back. I think several more players would reflect back saying they wished they had played with their buds for a final year as opposed to pushing, and rushing, a not fruitful, personally gratifying, high school season.
I've done a lot of coaching and frankly it's not the skill as I see a lot of skilled younger players. Maybe even skilled enough to play varsity. But, what's missing is the mental piece, and leadership, that develops by leading your team mates as a Bantam A player. It would be extremely rare for a 9th grader to be a leader on a varsity team. What I'm saying, and it's very important, is that I see a lot of skill out there but several players, at all levels, are having difficulty being true leaders of their teams. Leadership is learned through the experience of being one. There's way more to be gained, in my opinion, by picking up your Bantam A team mates, being a true leader of a Bantam A team, and gaining the knowledge and experience of what a true team leader does.
Let me see, finish what you started (don't be a quitter, that's a weakness and not showing leadership) or ride pine?
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I agree 100% with what you say. Wish the kids would understand the benifits of developing leadership.Night Train wrote:I was suggesting you know specific kids as some of the players also attend STA, SPA, Minnehaha, Highland, Como and Central High Schools.
Skip Bantam A to play JV? That's pretty unusual as there isn't much debate about which is better for the player developmentally. 40 games, District Playoffs, 4 tournaments vs. 20 games against mostly weak opponents? The general rule is, unless the player is a top 6 forward or top 4 D and on varsity, finish what you started and play Bantam A. There's still 3 years of high school hockey but you'll never get that final year of Bantam A hockey back. I think several more players would reflect back saying they wished they had played with their buds for a final year as opposed to pushing, and rushing, a not fruitful, personally gratifying, high school season.
I've done a lot of coaching and frankly it's not the skill as I see a lot of skilled younger players. Maybe even skilled enough to play varsity. But, what's missing is the mental piece, and leadership, that develops by leading your team mates as a Bantam A player. It would be extremely rare for a 9th grader to be a leader on a varsity team. What I'm saying, and it's very important, is that I see a lot of skill out there but several players, at all levels, are having difficulty being true leaders of their teams. Leadership is learned through the experience of being one. There's way more to be gained, in my opinion, by picking up your Bantam A team mates, being a true leader of a Bantam A team, and gaining the knowledge and experience of what a true team leader does.
Let me see, finish what you started (don't be a quitter, that's a weakness and not showing leadership) or ride pine?
With regards to CDH or Highland. I know the past couple years they lose players to private schools. I imagine the kids want to play with who they go to school with, not just who is in their assn. Also, private schools may struggle to fill out entire jv rosters...again i am not sure if anyone from Highland will leave but i know history suggest something else.
In 31 years of existence, Woodbury never went to state in boy's hockey, nor did they ever win a conference championship. The 2008-09 season will be Bolin's fifth (???) at Woodbury and they have now gone to state twice under him and won a conference championship under him. They also beat the defending state champs and favorites to repeat (CDH) in 2006, so don't tell me its because they all of a sudden had more talent than everybody else. That's just really good coaching.BodyShots wrote:What makes him the best coach in the state? That's a pretty bold statement to place on somebody who has never won it all.komada77 wrote:Are you saying you disagree?BodyShots wrote:Thats enough Wes Jr.komada77 wrote:They'll be alright-not great, not awful. Section winner will be either CDH or Woodbury, and I give Woodbury the edge because they have the best coach in the state.
Everyone hates private schools (and Edina)!!
Gee, do you think their community and hockey association are growing by leaps and bounds! Let me think, aren't they adding another high school because they outgrew the current one! We will see how good they are this year! If Woodbury wins the SEC, then I will tip my hat to you and Wes.komada77 wrote:In 31 years of existence, Woodbury never went to state in boy's hockey, nor did they ever win a conference championship. The 2008-09 season will be Bolin's fifth (???) at Woodbury and they have now gone to state twice under him and won a conference championship under him. They also beat the defending state champs and favorites to repeat (CDH) in 2006, so don't tell me its because they all of a sudden had more talent than everybody else. That's just really good coaching.BodyShots wrote:What makes him the best coach in the state? That's a pretty bold statement to place on somebody who has never won it all.komada77 wrote:Are you saying you disagree?BodyShots wrote:Thats enough Wes Jr.komada77 wrote:They'll be alright-not great, not awful. Section winner will be either CDH or Woodbury, and I give Woodbury the edge because they have the best coach in the state.
The community and hockey association were growing by leaps and bounds before Bolin was there too. I will concede that calling him the best coach in the state is a little too bold considering he has never won a MN state championship (even though he's only had 4 tries), but I think you would be hard pressed to name a coach who is better than Wes.BodyShots wrote:Gee, do you think their community and hockey association are growing by leaps and bounds! Let me think, aren't they adding another high school because they outgrew the current one! We will see how good they are this year! If Woodbury wins the SEC, then I will tip my hat to you and Wes.komada77 wrote:In 31 years of existence, Woodbury never went to state in boy's hockey, nor did they ever win a conference championship. The 2008-09 season will be Bolin's fifth (???) at Woodbury and they have now gone to state twice under him and won a conference championship under him. They also beat the defending state champs and favorites to repeat (CDH) in 2006, so don't tell me its because they all of a sudden had more talent than everybody else. That's just really good coaching.BodyShots wrote:What makes him the best coach in the state? That's a pretty bold statement to place on somebody who has never won it all.komada77 wrote:Are you saying you disagree?BodyShots wrote:Thats enough Wes Jr.komada77 wrote:They'll be alright-not great, not awful. Section winner will be either CDH or Woodbury, and I give Woodbury the edge because they have the best coach in the state.
Everyone hates private schools (and Edina)!!