hockeytown holiday classic

spectator8
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hockeytown holiday classic

Post by spectator8 » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:14 pm

does anyone have any scores? it doesnt seem like a very strong tourny this year? osseo has a quality club, grafton decent, and pilot mound? who are they? warroad seems mediocre at best this year. kind of a dissappointment from years past. sure they have good guys in marvin, harren, ravendahlen, anacabe, and hahn, and maybe a few others....but it is definitely not like the reign of the hardwick, brodeen, oshie, olimb crew of last year. anyways.....any scores? <p></p><i></i>

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Re: hockeytown holiday classic

Post by WarroadWarrior » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:30 pm

Anyone? <p></p><i></i>

Renegade Ram
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scores

Post by Renegade Ram » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:47 pm

Warroad v Grafton 4 - 4<br>Osseo v Grafton 6 - 3<br>Osseo v Warroad 2 - 1<br>Grafton, Warroad, Osseo v Pilot Mound...Alot to Very Little<br><br>Champ: Osseo<br>Runner - Up: Grafton by virtue of more goals for, they buried Pilot Mound, Warroad was only able to put up 9 against them got them all in middle stanza...<br><br>Warroad loses another game while outshooting their opponents. Tough to complain about the D when your losing a 2 - 1 game. To win you have to put MORE pucks in the net than your opponent. It's called penetrating the slot versus shooting from outside the dots. <br><br>Warroad definitely down from last year but hardly out of it with both TRF and EGF looking just as down. Three team race, the only three games that matter are the ones at the end of February still two months for these teams to pick themselves up and prove they can play night in and night out.<br><br>spectator8...I'll still take Warroad's mediocre over most teams best teams most years. People have been spoiled here because of the last three years - last years was a once in a great while team and all those guys from last year you mentioned were seniors 14 guys gone what do YOU expect, another one of those may appear there sooner than you think. How do think the Courthouse Cousins feel they haven't had an appearance since 2000 and it's possible it doesn't happen again this year and that's darn near a lifetime for them. EGF hasn't had a winner since 2002...almost an eternity. And how about poor little TRF they haven't sniffed a true Section 8 title since 1960 and snuck in the backdoor in 1965 - they've been losers for 40 YEARS. Bummer for them. It's all perspective.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... m>Renegade Ram</A> at: 1/2/06 10:58 pm<br></i>

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Re: scores

Post by WolvesHockey » Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:20 am

renegade, the other thing you need to look at is the amount of varsity time the jv kids were NOT given last year. take the Mcbride kid for example played jv all year last year not a bad hockey player. Do you feel the coaches did their own team a diservice last year by not getting the younger kids more quality ice time when they new they would man handle most opponents last year? You have to feed the beast so to say. you don't develop from jv to varsity without hardwork on and off the ice and there is no better trainer than playing the game at the speed of the varsity level. my 2 cents.<br><br>Olimb<br>Mcbride<br>Larson - played wing now bnlue line<br>Mcdonald looks good yet tenative yet.<br><br>totally agree with you if you can't score you don't win. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: scores

Post by SB24 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:31 am

its hard to score if you have to stay back and play d because your D gives up 4-8 odd man rushes a game.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>Play another sport if ya dont got what it takes to DangleMcFangle.</p><i></i>

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You've gotta score to win.

Post by Renegade Ram » Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:53 am

Stay back? Coach Eades used to stress the low cycle to create their scoring opportunities - the best defense is a strong offense. Where did that go....if your controlling play below the opponents goal line it's almost impossible to get scored against. They used to be the MASTERS of it and it seems to have disappeared over night. Another factiod SB defensemen don't give up odd man rushes those are caused by forwards getting caught in the zone usually from getting out battled along the boards.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... m>Renegade Ram</A> at: 1/2/06 10:55 pm<br></i>

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Re: You've gotta score to win.

Post by SB24 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:13 pm

The offense is cycleing and they try to pass it out to the D and they give the puck up 60% off the time the D has to help out some what. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Here's my take split the senior pair up with the Mc's even out the pairings and put the unfleet footed one anywhere but there...stickboy would even work for me. How's that <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I agree with that <br><br>Will they fire the coaches or will they quit at the end of the year? Because if this is the best they can do.............we;;<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>Play another sport if ya dont got what it takes to DangleMcFangle.</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... hs>SB24</A> at: 12/31/05 6:04 pm<br></i>

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Re: You've gotta score to win.

Post by Renegade Ram » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:37 pm

But they haven't been able to establish the low cycle even before working it out to the D so it is a cause and effect and two-fold problem. I can't just blame the D for the teams perceived woes. We seem to forget this wasn't just a reloading year but a rebuilding year, lots of players need to gain confidence and the guys on the bench need to let some of these youngster make some mistakes without missing a shift. Couple of those guys are gripping their sticks so tight they've got to have finger grooves worn into the shafts. Some of those guys are ssssoooo tight out there I bet they squeak when they fart<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> - they've got to figure a way for those guys to get relaxed...what were the tapes "Killer Dave" used in Slapshot.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Heck everyone wants a near perfect regular season; before the season started I figured they'd be 15 - 10 by Sections but the most important part is that they learn and grow for Sections those are the only three games that matter for this club right now. If they can get through those then we can talk about the next step.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Warroad season

Post by elliott70 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:18 pm

I don't watch all the Warroad games like Renegade, but I would think all the Warrior fans would be somewhat pleased with thet season thus far. The team is winning and seems to be finding itself. And like everyone says, the peak should come the end of Feb thru the first part of March.<br><br>I hope the locker room stuff does not get out of hand - again, chemistry is very important. And us section 8 fans want to see the best possible tournament and a good rep at the excel. <p></p><i></i>

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Re: Warroad season

Post by SB24 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:16 pm

Renegade, the only way you can establish a successfull deep zone cycle is to have the confidence in the D-men to keep the puck in the zone when it floats out there or to stop a lone man trying to break out. If you can't do that then you shouldn't ever have two forwards below the goal line which is what you need to do with that system. Right now I'd say that this isn't the right offensive zone system to use. This is where Coach Eades is dearly missed. He never just used the systems that worked in the previous years, he evaluated his players and used the systems that hid thier weaknesses and magnified thier strengths. Want an example? Look at a tape and study the systems of the 2000 State Tourny team and compare it to the 2004 Tournament team. Completely different players, completely different style. If Warroad wants to compete year in and year out they are going to need a real coach. <p>Play another sport if ya dont got what it takes to DangleMcFangle.</p><i></i>

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Totally in agreement

Post by Renegade Ram » Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:47 pm

I definitely ain't calling for anybodies head that would be unfair since these guys are trying to rebuild and it's still very early yet, lots of teaching to be done. But I do have to agree on that completely I would figure watching the Master for over 10 years something would rub off . Not only was he the master of teaching the game he could evaluate his talent and put a system in place that could exploit his players strengths and downplay their weaknesses. I also saw much more meeting the player at the door with the dreaded stare and a growl with some "words of wisdom" or a pat on the helmet and an atta boy for figuring it out. Kind of made me sick when the guy left I put up with you know who and who and who and having him up there was the light at the end of the tunnel that made that crap palatable.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... m>Renegade Ram</A> at: 1/2/06 10:57 pm<br></i>

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Re: Totally in agreement

Post by SB24 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:32 pm

Yeah, i'm totally agreeing with you here. He was definatly one of the best things to happen to Warrior hockey. And as far as the co-coach thing goes, i just can't see it working out. All it does is give the players a reason to second guess their leader(s). Be it one or the other or someone from the outside there should be one head coach, one assistant...after all, it's tried and true isn't it? <p>Play another sport if ya dont got what it takes to DangleMcFangle.</p><i></i>

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Re: Totally in agreement

Post by crosscheck » Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:47 pm

Eades is Gone!<br><br>Let the coaches figure out a system that will work with the talent they have. Last years team was talented and had Eades style engrained. <br><br>As one Warroad alum said so eloquently "hard to win with local boys". <p></p><i></i>

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We know that

Post by Renegade Ram » Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:38 pm

Sure is and has performed much better than the one he used to torment I wonder if the nightmares have ever stopped. Gives you guys down the road a chance for a change.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... m>Renegade Ram</A> at: 1/1/06 2:01 pm<br></i>

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Re: We know that

Post by SB24 » Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:23 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Let the coaches figure out a system that will work with the talent they have. Last years team was talented and had Eades style engrained. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Thats what we've been saying but these coaches aren't changing thier systems to work with the players. All these coaches are doing is playing the systems that Eades had in place when he left...not sure if i'd call that coaching. <p>Play another sport if ya dont got what it takes to DangleMcFangle.</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... hs>SB24</A> at: 1/1/06 10:24 pm<br></i>

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