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Gentry appears to be no different than what than what BE Revoloution did this past season on the girls side. The Revoloution were grated a temporary one year Tier 1 status by MNH for the 2014-15 season, which enabled them to compete for a chance to play in the USAH Nationals. MNH pulled that status for the 2015-16 season when they finalized their Tier 1 structure to be primarily the MN High School Elite teams. So the Revolotion still advertised themselves as Tier 1 since they were traveling out of state to play other Tier 1 teams as they did the previous season. They're just not eligible to compete for a spot at the USAH Nationals. They (the girls) played last fall in the MN Elite League, and I believe they're doing so this spring also. Anyways, MNH has complete control over "official" Tier 1 status as a relation to competing at Nationals. I highly doubt (as in 99.99% sure) MNH will give Gentry this status.SouthernMinnFan wrote:That is why I am asking. I see that they have teams for certain age groups but that would mean Minnesota is opening up Tier 1 hockey to be played out of the affiliate right? If that is the case than be prepared for other Tier 1 programs to open up around the state.
I somewhat loosely predicted this a year ago too - see below. Though I included Squirt, U10, PW, and U12 in that grouping. USHA does not have Tier 1 for age groups younger than U14 at this time, so I was a bit off there. But you just wait, I would not be surprised if 5 years from now they have USAH National Tournament for the U12/PW's. Why, it will make a BOAT LOAD of money! That's the driving factor. Look at MNH. A couple years ago, they started HP 14/15 as more of a pilot. It was popular in the metro area and made $$$. So it formed into HP-14's. Same structure as HP-15's that was already in place. Easy decision. HP-13's will be around the corner, just like U12 USAH Nationals.old goalie85 wrote:District 2 coach told kids same thing at HP Mon. night. These are the District "allstar teams that Bo talked about years ago. [ Where was Bo's cystal ball when I was filling out my hoops bracket ?]
And to answer Inigo's question, HP and Tier 1 are completely different programs, though you can participate in both. Teams for Tier 1 under the U14 and U15 age groups will be formed by MNH districts and play a set schedule of games. To be an "official" Tier 1 team, you must stay formed as a "team" and play a certain amount of games to be eligible for USAH Nationals. Similar to association hockey, teams are set, and players cannot be shifted or added at later dates. Teams for the older age group are selected and run by the Elite and Premier Prep leagues. Just as mentioned above, those teams were set last fall, and have not changed. They played a minimum number of games versus other Tier 1 teams (I don't know the exact req on that).Lace'emUp wrote: The state of Girls hockey... is it bright?
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... c&start=25
Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:35 pm
Here's my amendments to your possible solution. Just as MN Hockey has decided to run it's own Tier 1 teams, why not let each District run it's own AAA squirt, PW, bantam, 10U and 12U teams? Open tryouts, with the best 15-18 skaters and 2 goalies making each team. Taking advantage of the existing infrastructure in place (district management), teams can still have access to ice at reasonable costs and times. Plus, there can actually be an organized "league" where district teams play each other. Outstate districts would have issues with travel times for practices and games. But they'd have this issues either way - whether it's run privately or by the district. And again, cost is not an issue with your solution.
5 years from now, that could be the case. For instance, if they do expand HP's and Tier 1 down to U12/PW, here's what a top player could potentially have to deal with:old goalie85 wrote:I think it is great. T1 for all those that wanted it so bad. Still assc. hockey for the rest of us. Looks like Bernie/Blades/Gentry/Northern edge yada yada left out in the Mn cold.
As noted, I don't think this would happen for several years. But in my opinion, it doesn't really have anything to do with the ADM. MNH's ADM documents on their ADM page state that U12/PW should have 90-110 total ice sessions. 40-45 of those sessions are to be games. USAH is slightly less on the game side, more on practice time. They state 80-90 practices with 30-35 games. Point being, if MNH believed the ADM was a hard core issue, they wouldn't let OMG PWAA play 60 games this year, or Andover's U12 team play 57 (both won state).SCBlueLiner wrote:USAH won't go back to PeeWee Nationals, or I should say I would be shocked if they did. It flies in the face of the LTAD principles they have been preaching with ADM and does not fit into the overall philosophy they have adopted. If they do restart PW Nationals (due to $$$) it would undermine everything they have been saying about the ADM model and people would be suspicious of anything they put out about ADM as a whole including cross-ice at Mites.
It would be bad PR IMO.
I agree, it's progressive and crafty at the same time. MNH has had this golden nugget in their back pocket for years, and has done nothing with it - except preventing others from having it. But I do believe there's a thought that some money can be made by expanding this to the younger players. Some of the money that was going in to AAA pockets is now being diverted into MNH's coffers.Section 8 guy wrote:This is about controlling the madness. As pointed out above, the HP 14 concept and the fall HP Tier 1 offering allow the extracurriculars to be governed by Minnesota/USA Hockey. It's a touch of controlling the extra stuff so it doesn't get out of hand with a nice sprinkling of giving the higher end player a version of the additional options that they've been wanting. It's pretty progressive and crafty really.
Not everything is about the money. Silly how so many people go there immediately.
Per Gentry's website, it does not appear kids are held to any team requirements in the summer time, so I would believe they can play AAA like anyone else. I believe their program description sums it up best:yesiplayedhockey wrote:So I'm a little confused..Galaxy is a competitive product to association based hockey correct? So instead of a kid playing Bantams for his city, he enrolls in the school then can play for Galaxy during the school year. They won't play against other Bantam A/AA teams yet instead play out of state or host out of state teams to come here and play them.
Then do these kids then play AAA in the spring and fall or will Galaxy still be going strong?
And we are back to this. Yes, the scouts will find him, if he is playing where they are looking. But there are many kids that don't play where the scouts are looking, and may have sub-par linemates, so their stats don't jump out even though they are very good players. Will they ever get found without putting themselves in a position where scouts are looking?yesiplayedhockey wrote:
"KIDS....I MEAN PARENTS... Minnesota association based hockey works. Is it perfect, of course not.. but trust me, your kid will be fine. If he's half as good as you think he is, the scouts will find him"
Of course they will. This is not 1975. We live in the information age. It doesn't matter where you play, they will find you. We all know who the best SQUIRT players are in today's world. Heck, they don't even have to FIND you. You can introduce yourself to them with as many youtube videos from yourself and your coaches as you want. Jaxon Nelson played in the corn fields of SW Minnesota. Did they find him?jpiehl wrote:And we are back to this. Yes, the scouts will find him, if he is playing where they are looking. But there are many kids that don't play where the scouts are looking, and may have sub-par linemates, so their stats don't jump out even though they are very good players. Will they ever get found without putting themselves in a position where scouts are looking?yesiplayedhockey wrote:
"KIDS....I MEAN PARENTS... Minnesota association based hockey works. Is it perfect, of course not.. but trust me, your kid will be fine. If he's half as good as you think he is, the scouts will find him"
Won one game, lost two games. Finished third in their pool. Did not advance out of pool playold goalie85 wrote:These teams will be the real AAA teams many have been calling for since the days of the Fire. This should give the kid from Pine city or Worthingtion or Blackduck the chance to play vs kids from Edina/EP/Tonka. Seems like a win-win to me. Great Job Mn hockey !!! North Dakota has a before and after team playing U14 nationals coming up. Be interesting to watch how that team competes.
Actually USAH had a Tier 1 national championship tournament for PW's for years. They only recently got rid of them about three years ago and cited that the tournament was a distraction from "developing" youth hockey players and was fostering a win at all costs attitude at too young of an age... Of course that just meant that other folks are trying to create unofficial national championship tournaments to fill the void for those dollars you talked about.Lace'emUp wrote:I somewhat loosely predicted this a year ago too - see below. Though I included Squirt, U10, PW, and U12 in that grouping. USHA does not have Tier 1 for age groups younger than U14 at this time, so I was a bit off there. But you just wait, I would not be surprised if 5 years from now they have USAH National Tournament for the U12/PW's. Why, it will make a BOAT LOAD of money! That's the driving factor. Look at MNH. A couple years ago, they started HP 14/15 as more of a pilot. It was popular in the metro area and made $$$. So it formed into HP-14's. Same structure as HP-15's that was already in place. Easy decision. HP-13's will be around the corner, just like U12 USAH Nationals.old goalie85 wrote:District 2 coach told kids same thing at HP Mon. night. These are the District "allstar teams that Bo talked about years ago. [ Where was Bo's cystal ball when I was filling out my hoops bracket ?]
And to answer Inigo's question, HP and Tier 1 are completely different programs, though you can participate in both. Teams for Tier 1 under the U14 and U15 age groups will be formed by MNH districts and play a set schedule of games. To be an "official" Tier 1 team, you must stay formed as a "team" and play a certain amount of games to be eligible for USAH Nationals. Similar to association hockey, teams are set, and players cannot be shifted or added at later dates. Teams for the older age group are selected and run by the Elite and Premier Prep leagues. Just as mentioned above, those teams were set last fall, and have not changed. They played a minimum number of games versus other Tier 1 teams (I don't know the exact req on that).Lace'emUp wrote: The state of Girls hockey... is it bright?
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... c&start=25
Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:35 pm
Here's my amendments to your possible solution. Just as MN Hockey has decided to run it's own Tier 1 teams, why not let each District run it's own AAA squirt, PW, bantam, 10U and 12U teams? Open tryouts, with the best 15-18 skaters and 2 goalies making each team. Taking advantage of the existing infrastructure in place (district management), teams can still have access to ice at reasonable costs and times. Plus, there can actually be an organized "league" where district teams play each other. Outstate districts would have issues with travel times for practices and games. But they'd have this issues either way - whether it's run privately or by the district. And again, cost is not an issue with your solution.
You are correct. I've seen a PW club team deem themselves as "National Champions" on their team webpage. I cannot remember the team, or if it was for this year or last, but someone has filled their void without the need for USAH to conduct the tournament. It's just my guess that USAH will bring it back in the future. USA Lacrosse has a U13 championship, as does USA Youth Soccer. USA Basketball does not, but AAU goes all the way down to the 3rd grade!JSR wrote:Actually USAH had a Tier 1 national championship tournament for PW's for years. They only recently got rid of them about three years ago and cited that the tournament was a distraction from "developing" youth hockey players and was fostering a win at all costs attitude at too young of an age... Of course that just meant that other folks are trying to create unofficial national championship tournaments to fill the void for those dollars you talked about.Lace'emUp wrote:I somewhat loosely predicted this a year ago too - see below. Though I included Squirt, U10, PW, and U12 in that grouping. USHA does not have Tier 1 for age groups younger than U14 at this time, so I was a bit off there. But you just wait, I would not be surprised if 5 years from now they have USAH National Tournament for the U12/PW's. Why, it will make a BOAT LOAD of money! That's the driving factor. Look at MNH. A couple years ago, they started HP 14/15 as more of a pilot. It was popular in the metro area and made $$$. So it formed into HP-14's. Same structure as HP-15's that was already in place. Easy decision. HP-13's will be around the corner, just like U12 USAH Nationals.old goalie85 wrote:District 2 coach told kids same thing at HP Mon. night. These are the District "allstar teams that Bo talked about years ago. [ Where was Bo's cystal ball when I was filling out my hoops bracket ?]
And to answer Inigo's question, HP and Tier 1 are completely different programs, though you can participate in both. Teams for Tier 1 under the U14 and U15 age groups will be formed by MNH districts and play a set schedule of games. To be an "official" Tier 1 team, you must stay formed as a "team" and play a certain amount of games to be eligible for USAH Nationals. Similar to association hockey, teams are set, and players cannot be shifted or added at later dates. Teams for the older age group are selected and run by the Elite and Premier Prep leagues. Just as mentioned above, those teams were set last fall, and have not changed. They played a minimum number of games versus other Tier 1 teams (I don't know the exact req on that).Lace'emUp wrote: The state of Girls hockey... is it bright?
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... c&start=25
Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:35 pm
Here's my amendments to your possible solution. Just as MN Hockey has decided to run it's own Tier 1 teams, why not let each District run it's own AAA squirt, PW, bantam, 10U and 12U teams? Open tryouts, with the best 15-18 skaters and 2 goalies making each team. Taking advantage of the existing infrastructure in place (district management), teams can still have access to ice at reasonable costs and times. Plus, there can actually be an organized "league" where district teams play each other. Outstate districts would have issues with travel times for practices and games. But they'd have this issues either way - whether it's run privately or by the district. And again, cost is not an issue with your solution.
He went to the Brick with a Twin City based all-star team when he was 10. Your example seems to demonstrate the importance of getting into the environment where you can be noticed. Also, he played Varsity for a high school that reached the state tournament. Plus, Jaxon Nelson is a player that has a much higher ceiling than most kids. He's got an offer to play for the University of Minnesota.Jeffy95 wrote: Jaxon Nelson played in the corn fields of SW Minnesota. Did they find him?