7A - Thoughts

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by BeauKnowsHockey » Wed May 15, 2019 9:14 am

greenwayraider wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:52 am
That makes them the largest Class A school in the Section. This will certainly make them a contender for the #2 seed every year. The downside is that you cut in half the number of kids that will be playing high school hockey. I also wonder how this will affect the youth hockey programs at each community. Will they combine too?
These are my thoughts and questions exactly.
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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by rainier2 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:59 am

BeauKnowsHockey wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 9:14 am
greenwayraider wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:52 am
That makes them the largest Class A school in the Section. This will certainly make them a contender for the #2 seed every year. The downside is that you cut in half the number of kids that will be playing high school hockey. I also wonder how this will affect the youth hockey programs at each community. Will they combine too?
These are my thoughts and questions exactly.
My gut feeling is that the combining will have a positive synergistic effect. Both programs just became stronger, which I imagine will encourage more participation, especially if/when Hermantown goes to AA and VMIBEGME starts making it to state. That's why I had thought there could be a future in AA for this new team. VMIB occasionally beats GR on their own (GR is 5-2 vs VMIB the last 6 years, and just a hair away in this year's game from it being 4-3), so adding in EGME could eventually put them close to the level of GR on a yearly basis, assuming participation does increase.

It is unfortunate that there will be fewer kids playing hs hockey, but the consolidation is in the best interests of all students, IMO.

ME has their own squirt teams now, so perhaps VMIB, EG, and ME teams won't combine until Pee Wees?

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by greenwayraider » Wed May 15, 2019 10:27 am

Don’t see this new school ever going AA. These are the weakest Rapids teams in years that they beat. Also Rapids has the history of being competitive most every year at AA. Both VMIB and Greenway will be underdogs to Rapids this year. This new team would rarely even get home ice in the first round. Until they win the A title a couple of times then I’d start talking about AA. I don’t see that happening.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by IRMN » Wed May 15, 2019 12:10 pm

This change will shake things up quite a bit in the next few years. This new combined school with Virginia and Eveleth-Gilbert will have a whole new name (like South Ridge, Northeast Range, North Woods, etc all had to do. New mascot, colors, everything.) One thing that was NEVER mentioned in the campaigning of this new school was athletics. Not one bit. This was based on education only. Which, in my opinion, athletics are just an extension of the classroom and should be cared about as much as education. Quality athletic programs=quality kids=quality education. Eveleth people will want to play in the Hipp for history...Virginia will want to play in their brand new arena when that happens....Do you combine the youth programs? You would think you'd have to...that's where you grow your players...will they need a Jr. Gold program for kids that get cut (have fun traveling to the cities every weekend)...intramurals? LOTS of questions to be answered now that it passed. I don't see this team ever going AA. Will they retain every kid? Enrollment may decline for all we know. Will people move because they didn't want to be part of a big collaboration like this? Coaching...who's gonna coach? Virginia or Eveleth? You hire out and people lose jobs...this is big picture stuff that wasn't mentioned at all. This will now be a rural school....lots of traveling. Going to be quite interesting. Once this gets going, yes, they could be a force in 7A. But it'll take some building. I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
I am assuming all co-ops will stay but not affect the name (Virginia-MIB-Eveleth-Gilbert-Mesabi East). VEGAS has been thrown around (Virginia Eveleth Gilbert Area School), Mesabi Central has been tossed out there....we'll see what happens. Big changes coming.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by greenwayraider » Wed May 15, 2019 2:35 pm

IRMN, I agree with everything you say except for the role of education. Your equation should read quality education= quality students = quality athletics. How many players on the hockey team will play beyond high school? Extra-curriculars are very important but should not be the most important. All students will either enter the workforce or attend a post-secondary institution. Their future lies in their developing trade skills or securing an education that prepares them for further education. The education model for the new school is outstanding and does just this. It will be the envy of almost every school in Northeastern Minnesota. As much as I enjoy high school athletics, education is far more important.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by CanAm Hockey » Wed May 15, 2019 2:41 pm

Congratulations to the students at Eveleth, Virginia and surrounding cities. Hearing Fort Frances and IFalls could be next, sports wise. I'm guessing it would work like the Baudette/Rainy River situation.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by IRMN » Thu May 16, 2019 7:34 am

greenwayraider, I absolutely agree with you. That is pretty much what I was trying to say but I was getting at the fact that zero mention of athletics was brought into this collaboration process. If your administration cares as much about athletics as it does education, there is going to be a good balance across the board. If you look at many academically successful schools...they have superb and successful athletic programs as well. I just feel athletics have fallen behind in Virginia and it has to do with little emphasis and support of athletic programs.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by greenwayraider » Thu May 16, 2019 11:38 am

This will put tremendous pressure on the remaining high schools in the area (MIB, Mesabi East, Cherry, Northeast Range, Ely, North Woods, Chisholm) to keep their students and not lose them to open enrollment. This new school could really make it tough on the remaining small schools to maintain financial stability. I would not be surprised at huge open enrollment gains for “Mesabi West”.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by That guy for that thing » Thu May 16, 2019 1:09 pm

Raider, doesnt ME already coop with EG? So would they be apart of this growth?

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by IRMN » Thu May 16, 2019 1:14 pm

It absolutely will. It'll be interesting to see if enrollment increases and by how much if it does. Or will people not necessarily like the concept of a bigger school and will leave to smaller districts or stay put. Bigger school = bigger competition....kids will actually have to compete for a spot on a team now? That's a new concept up here on the Iron Range....

ME does coop with EG already in hockey. They will remain a separate school but still coop with hockey. I don't know what the numbers are from ME for hockey but I don't think it is super significant.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by rainier2 » Fri May 17, 2019 12:12 pm

greenwayraider wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 11:38 am
This will put tremendous pressure on the remaining high schools in the area (MIB, Mesabi East, Cherry, Northeast Range, Ely, North Woods, Chisholm) to keep their students and not lose them to open enrollment. This new school could really make it tough on the remaining small schools to maintain financial stability. I would not be surprised at huge open enrollment gains for “Mesabi West”.
There might be some enrollment gains, but I doubt it would be from MIB, who has a brand new, high tech school of its own. Ely would also seem to be a bit far for much open enrollment.

I won't be surprised if Hibbing and Chisholm combine soon. They already co-op for hockey and several other sports, so if they can ever get past the unthinkable combining of basketball teams, then it might, and should, happen. Perhaps Cherry would be part of this new school also. An advantage to this combination is that a new school wouldn't have to be built; Hibbing hs could absorb these students and I imagine it would cost far less to update the current hs than build a $200 million new building, as they are doing in Virginia.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by IRMN » Fri May 17, 2019 12:52 pm

The state has money set aside for schools looking to collaborate. That is how Virginia and Eveleth-Gilbert got it done. If one city would have said no, it would have killed the deal and the money would have been dispersed to other districts looking to do the same. The $181 million dollar project/referendum that just passed is for 2 brand new elementary schools (one in virginia, one in eveleth) and a brand new high school in midway (between virginia and eveleth). I can see other schools in the area looking to do this in the future. The Range population is on a steady decline. Tax payers will only pay 19% of this project which was a big selling point. But, on the other hand, people are very proud up here and I can see the small towns doing what they can to keep the schools in their towns. Time will tell.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by greenwayraider » Fri May 17, 2019 3:54 pm

The Greenway and Rapids school boards had a joint meeting this month. Discussion centered around identifying how the districts could collaborate on academics. It was clearly stated this was not for combining the school districts. At least for now.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by greenwayraider » Fri May 31, 2019 8:44 am

A news article on the combining of Virginia and Eveleth-Gilbert left me a a little confused. The article identified this a collaboration leading to a consolidation. This makes it sound as if consolidation is not going to happen and each school district continues to operate for the time being. So a collaboration will not result in one sports team even though students from both districts will be in the same building. Can anyone clarify this for me?

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by zooomx » Fri May 31, 2019 9:39 am

I think until the new school is built, they are looking at a collaboration situation. Once the school is open, it will become a consolidation.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by IRMN » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:41 am

It is a collaboration for now. That was basically to obtain the money from the state. It will eventually lead to consolidation. It is confirmed though that when the school is built Virginia-Eveleth-Gilbert will compete as one in all sports/extra curriculars.

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Re: 7A - Thoughts

Post by greenwayraider » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:52 am

Thanks for the clarification.

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