Section 8 guy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm
Overall strength of schedule can be pretty misleading when it comes to point production. Two teams could have fairly similar overall SoS.....but if one of them has 5 games on their schedule where a top player has the potential to pile up 25-30 points in those 5 games and the other team doesn’t have any of those type of games that’s a game changer for a player accumulating numbers.
Got it. So CDH has no cupcakes on their schedule because they are AA playing a AA schedule.
Section 8 guy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:02 pm
There’s always context which is why it’s hard to compare.
But here you are in this thread trying to compare Biondi and Gleason....because in your mind Class A is the only reason Biondi is close to Gleason in points.
You clearly have me confused with Mr. 59. This is a AA scoring leaders thread. It’s not a Mr. Hockey thread and it isn’t a Class A thread. My comments are about the AA scoring race and I have tried to eliminate class A players from the discussion because they don’t fit in this thread. I have never attempted to compare Gleason and Biondi. That was another poster.
LSQRANK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:08 pm
A good way to evaluate scoring leaders to account for the level of play is to normalize the raw scoring data with respect to the quality of the opposing team, its goalie and the quality of the scoring team. Once you run the numbers for these considerations, then you get a true picture of the most talented scoring leaders in the state. This was done for the MN Girls data back two years ago and what it showed was that the NCAA D1 commits rose to the top of the list, while the girls who were piling up scoring point against extremely weak competition dropped down to about average.
This would be interesting. Sounds like a massive data project.
Yes it is and was with the girls' data back then. You need to look at or transcribe data from every game score sheet to attribute each goal and assist tallied against a corresponding opposing team and opposing goalie! Generating the rating profile of the teams in the league is the easy part, but the rest is pain-stakenly a lot of work. If you are interested in the analysis process, read Chapter 4 (p.54-67) of the Sportsoft manual. The paper contains the details of the study.
LSQ- Aside from revalidating the talent of the D1 top scoring forwards, what were the highlites of the GHS report?
In the other thread labeled Top AA Goalie leaders, there are literally 40 AA boys goalies this year with 90.0% or higher save percentages. Their differential range is only between 90% and 94%, about a 4% difference.
Seems like a statistical analysis of the top scorers success vs top goalies amongst the top 30 or 40 AA teams would find little certain direct correlation in comparison to random . Since there is only about a 4% difference in their statistical performance to begin with.
And we already know the top scorers will pile up the big points amongst the lower ranked AA teams, more due to less overall opposing raw talent and depth in addition to in most cases a less talented goalie.
Blond picked up 25 points (at least) on the 4 teams page2stat ranks #104 or below and Ft Francis. The worst team Gleason played was ranked #87. You can “de facto” all you want but 15 of Biondi’s 60 points (at the start of this thread) came against Ft Francis and Duluth Marshall. 25% of his points came in 2 games!
Both are great players, no question. If they switched teams the numbers would probably be similar.
fwiw....A quick count has the Century kids playing 8 games against teams #104 and below and 10 against #87 and below. They still have #133 Winona left to play.
If Biondi and/or Gleason played for Century who knows the totals.
I have spent more time and posts on the girls side over the years but have been lurking here as well. Many of you probably could care less about and spend zero time on the girls game or reading girls stuff.
By far the best content that was created over the last year or two was from a blog called Sota Girls Hockey. Unfortunately Sota G is retired/dormant most of the time now. Sota just blogged yesterday about the Ms Hockey finalists released yesterday. It is worth a read pertaining to Mr. Hockey and the scoring leaders conversation here. No mentions of individual players at all on the girls side but a pretty darn interesting chain of logic on ranking the girls.
Would be fascinating to see it implemented in some way on the boys side. No shot on me doing it but if someone is interested in doing it or taking pieces of it and making their own it would be interesting to read.
massalsa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:28 pm
I have spent more time and posts on the girls side over the years but have been lurking here as well. Many of you probably could care less about and spend zero time on the girls game or reading girls stuff.
By far the best content that was created over the last year or two was from a blog called Sota Girls Hockey. Unfortunately Sota G is retired/dormant most of the time now. Sota just blogged yesterday about the Ms Hockey finalists released yesterday. It is worth a read pertaining to Mr. Hockey and the scoring leaders conversation here. No mentions of individual players at all on the girls side but a pretty darn interesting chain of logic on ranking the girls.
Would be fascinating to see it implemented in some way on the boys side. No shot on me doing it but if someone is interested in doing it or taking pieces of it and making their own it would be interesting to read.