Section 3A 2006-7

Discussion of Minnesota Girls High School Hockey

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Who will win Section 3A 2006-7?

Luverne
0
No votes
Marshall
6
33%
New Ulm
10
56%
Redwood Valley
1
6%
St. Peter/Lesuer-Henderson
0
No votes
Windom Area Eagles
0
No votes
Worthington
1
6%
 
Total votes: 18

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KRACH

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wrestlelaw3 wrote:Don't Worthington's 2 wins mean something on the algorithim.?
There are 126 teams in the state. The algorithm is designed to look at who you beat and in theory should rank you ahead of other teams based on this. Where it falls apart is at the extremes. In this case, we have the 125th & 126th ranked team in the state. Due to some rounding likely (and desired precision of the ranking) they both are ranked the same - 0.001. If we took it out to 10 decimal places, we would see a difference. If we did this though, the algorithm would take days vs hours to rank the teams. Typically, with most teams in the 1-10 rating range (below average), and many (above average) from 10 to 10000 rating, the need for all those extra decimals isn't needed - so we don't use them. the tradeoff being that we can't decipher between these two teams at the extreme as their only wins came against one another, and they both lost to everyone else they played unfortunately. Had one of them beat another team besides each other, we wouldn't likely have this problem. Even if both teams had lost every game, in theory their ranking would then only be decided by their Strength-of-Scheudle (meaning the team with a stronger SOS woudl likely be ranked higher - but just a bit).

While I've been explaining all of this, one other scenario has come to mind. It may be that to some degree the SOS of the team with no wins offsets the weaker SOS of the team with 2 W's against them, but I highly doubt this. My guess is that this is at the far reaches of the algorithm, and due to rounding these teams are considered equal in rating.

I must also add that while this seems like a simple case of where the algorithm should never fail, consider too that teams that are inconsistent can be ranked accordingly... What this means in other situations is that if a team is ranked above a team that beat them, or even swept them, that would likely mean that the team was inconsistent - beat other better teams, but lost/swept by a worse team. So, just the old A beat B so A is better than B doesn't always work - and that's why you can determine odds, etc. with this ranking system.

I'll try to find the info. on that and link it later...
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I was sad to see the G Hockey rankings not done this year. This is the first that I've had time to work on this, and this is what I came up with. I used the KRACH model that is described on USCHO.com and I'm curious as to what you think of the results. I think some teams are given some credit that they hadn't been given this year with this ranking, and the nice thing about it is that if you want to know Team A's odds of beating Team B at the end of the year, you simply take the number for A and divide it by Team B's. Also easy to see the probability of A beating B (A/A '+ B).

i.e. for the odds of SSP beating EP it's 829.495/161.646 = 5.13 approx. 5 to 1 or the probability of EP beating SSP is (161.646/(161.646 '+ 829.495)) = approx. .163 or a 16.3% probability.

RANK RATING TEAM (LPH FINAL RANK)
1 887.113 BENILDE ST MARGARETS (1A)
2 873.438 ELK RIVER (1AA)
3 829.495 S ST PAUL (5AA)
4 387.613 N ST PAUL (2AA)
5 294.115 ANOKA (4AA)
6 235.504 HASTINGS (10AA)
7 213.948 BLAKE (3A)
8 188.409 CLOQUET
9 181.472 WAYZATA (9AA)
10 161.646 EDEN PRAIRIE (3AA)
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This is the system I use. I get asked some questions about it sometimes, and so here are some links to info.

If you hate math, don't bother to read on. Also, please note that this all pertains to the basis of US College Hockey - meaning that all of this surrounds that as its purpose. I simply took the math that I understood from these sites and adapted it to a computer program (easier said than done - believe me & I have math degrees...):


USCHO (Claims that this system is best for SOS concerns):
www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=krach
www.uscho.com/FAQs/?data=krach

Ken Butler's original KRACH explanation page (with examples):
www.mscs.dal.ca/~butler/krachexp.htm
***This seems to be the best explenation...

John Whelan has a more detailed mathematical analysis of KRACH.:
http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach
System Comparison of College Hockey...
http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach
A Proposed Modification to the NCAA Selection Criteria:
http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach

SiouxSports.com's independently calculated KRACH ratings (normalized so North Dakota's KRACH rating is 100.):
http://www.siouxsports.com/hockey/rankings/krach.php


FROM USCHO:
FAQ: KRACH
USCHO has begun publishing KRACH, a sophisticated statistical model for determining the relative strength of one team to another. We advocate this as a replacement for the Ratings Percentage Index (RPI), and the system of comparisons (summarized by USCHO as the PairWise Rankings) that is used to select and seed the NCAA tournament.

The KRACH listings can be found here.

Why is KRACH better than RPI?
Q. What is RPI?

A: A method for factoring in strength of schedule to winning percentage. It's calculated by factoring your winning percentage 25 percent; your opponent's winning percentage 50 percent; your opponent's opponents winning percentage 25 percent (25-50-25). "Opponent's winning percentage" is the average winning percentage of each opponent -- not the total winning percentage based on the sum of all wins, losses and ties.

Q: Why is something like RPI or KRACH needed to begin with?

A: If the NCAA were an "ordinary" sports league, everyone would play everyone else the same number of times, and we could seed the playoffs by comparing teams' won-lost records (winning percentages).

Comparing the winning percentages of teams playing vastly different schedules is unfair, so the NCAA developed the RPI.

Q: What is the problem with RPI?

A: Unfortunately, RPI fails to work as designed sometimes. If a team plays a weak opponent and wins, their RPI can still go down because the reduced strength of schedule hurts more than the improved winning percentage helps. This should not happen.

The NCAA tried to address this by increasing the weight of winning percentage in the RPI formula for hockey to 35 percent, but this just brought out RPI's other flaw: teams which play very weak schedules can inflate their RPIs by racking up impressive winning percentages. Because the strength of schedule component to RPI is influenced by winning percentage (KRACH does it differently), if all of a team's weak opponents play each other a lot, they can maintain a respectable winning percentage and make that team's schedule look stronger than it is. (This was the problem with the MAAC and CHA). In response to this, the NCAA went back to the original formula for the hockey RPI, but now teams are once more dropping in the RPI when they beat weak opponents.

Q: So what's the real problem with RPI?

A: The problems of RPI may seem like too much or too little weight is being given to strength of schedule -- find the right weight, and all will be good. But the real problem is that the definition of strength of schedule is completely inadequate. Adding the strength of schedule components (50-25) to the winning percentage (25) is the wrong thing to do.

Q: How is KRACH better?

A: KRACH does what RPI is designed to do, combine a team's won-lost records with their strength of schedule, but it does a better job of it.

While RPI is winning percentage plus strength of schedule, KRACH is winning ratio times strength of schedule. (A more complete methodology is in the section below).

There are two aspects of this formula which are needed to avoid the problems of RPI, and two which are needed to make everything make sense:

KRACH multiplies record and strength of schedule instead of adding them. This is needed so that a really good or bad strength of schedule can't swamp the results of the games themselves.
The KRACH ratings themselves are used to define the strength of schedule. This is needed so that teams with isolated schedules can't trick the rating system into overvaluing them as opponents.
KRACH uses winning ratio instead of winning percentage. This is consistent with the whole idea of multiplying instead of adding. The possible records go from zero to infinity instead of zero to one, just like the possible ratings.
There is a weighting factor in the average. This is needed because the ratings go to infinity, so if you just averaged them normally, the higher ratings would dominate.
Q: What about all of the other PairWise components besides RPI? Are they still needed?

A: You could theoretically take each PairWise component -- record in Last 16 games, record vs. common opponents, head-to-head record, record vs. other Teams Under Consideration -- and "KRACH-ify" them. In other words, use KRACH's strength of schedule method to modify those criteria.

But straight KRACH is much simpler -- a simple list of all the teams, ranked in order. This has the effect of eliminating some ambiguities in the comparison system, which is not transitive. For example, if Team A beats Team B in a head-to-head comparison, and Team B beats Team C ... that does not necessarily mean Team A beats Team C. This kind of issue leads to complications.

As a result, straight KRACH is preferred.

Q: But some of those other PairWise components are nice to have, aren't they?

A: A straight KRACH does overlook such vague concepts as "being hot down the stretch" (record in Last X games), and "doing well against the better teams" (record vs. Teams Under Consideration). But those distinctions are dubious anyway.

Q: The committee recently added a new component to the selection process, intended to help compensate for teams forced to play a large amount of non-conference road games. How does KRACH help this?

A: KRACH, like the undoctored RPI, doesn't take home ice effects into account when assessing the strength of a team's schedule. However, the KRACH methodology can be used to factor in the home-ice advantage. As a result, you can then level the playing field in a much more sophisticated way than the highly arbitrary "good win" system used by the NCAA.


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Who, What, How?
Q. What is the simplest definition of a team's KRACH rating?

A. Winning ratio times strength of schedule. Winning ratio is a cousin of winning percentage; instead of wins divided by games played, it's wins divided by losses. Strength of schedule is a weighted average of your opponents' KRACH ratings.

Q. You talk about wins and losses. What about ties?

A. Ties count as half a win and half a loss, just like in winning percentage, RPI, or any other rating. Wherever you see "number of wins" you should think "number of wins plus one-half number of ties" and similarly for losses.

Q. A weighted average? What's that?

A. For each opponent, there is a weighting factor. Multiply the KRACH rating by the weighting factor. Add those up, and divide it by the sum of all the weighting factors.

Q. So what is the weighting factor?

A. It's the number of times you played that opponent, divided by the sum of your KRACH rating and that opponent's KRACH rating.

Q. Why did you choose that weighting factor? It seems like you're undercounting the opponents with high KRACH ratings.

A. Because what's important with KRACH ratings is the ratios between them (one divided by the other), not the differences (one minus the other). Suppose I play one game each against teams with KRACH ratings of 50 and 200, and split. I should have a KRACH rating of 100, which is twice as good as 50 but half as good as 200. My winning ratio is 1 (same number of wins and losses), so whatever my strength of schedule is, that should be my KRACH rating. If I just averaged 50 and 200, I would get 125, which is more than twice as good as 50 and less than half as good as 200. But the weighting factors are chosen in just the right way that the weighted average is indeed 100.

For those who want to see the math: The weighting factor is 1/(100+50)=1/150=2/300 for the first team and 1/(100+200)=1/300 for the second team. So the weighted sum is 50*(2/300)+200*(1/300)=(100+200)/300=300/300=1. We need to divide this by the sum of the weighting factors, which is 2/300+1/300=3/300=1/100. 1 divided by 1/100 is 100.

The other reason we chose this weighting factor has to do with interpreting the ratings. Pick any team, and the ratio of your KRACH rating to the other team's will be be the winning ratio you'd be expected to rack up if you played them a bunch of times. So if your KRACH is 200, and you played a team with a KRACH of 100, you'd be expected to win twice as many games as you lost. The definition of KRACH ensures that if you use this formula to see how many games you'd be expected to win, given your actual schedule, it will be exactly the number of games you actually won. Thinking about the team with a KRACH of 100 that played teams rated at 50 and 200, they'd be expected to win 2/3 of the games they played against the weaker team and 1/3 of the games they played against the stronger team. So if they played them each once, the expected number of wins would be 2/3+1/3=1, and sure enough we saw above that a .500 record against those teams corresponded to a 100 rating. (Of course, they won't actually have won 2/3 or 1/3 of a game; the total is what will match up.)

Q. It sounds like you need to know everyone's KRACH ratings before you can calculate anyone's. Isn't the definition circular? How can you calculate anything?

A. The technical term is called recursive, and we can solve most recursive equations by a technique called iteration. Start off with an educated guess for everyone's rating (like they're all 100, or all 100 times the team's winning ratio), then calculate the ratings that come out of the formula, plugging in your guesses. If you had guessed the right answer, all the ratings coming out of the formula would match those going in. (In the real world, they won't, but they'll be closer to what you're looking for.) Now take those output ratings, and use them as a new set of guesses; plug them into the formula and see what comes out. You repeat this process, using the ratings calculated from one set of guesses as the next set of guesses. Eventually, the numbers coming out will be very close to the numbers going in, differentiating only in, say the fifth decimal place. If you only want to quote the ratings to four decimal places, you can stop there, since you were going to round off what was in the fifth decimal place any way.

Q. Does this always work?

A. In practice, yes. You know that game you play where you say the last place team in the weakest conference once beat the fifth place team, who beat the first place team, who tied the third place team in another conference, and so on until you've "proven" that the weakest team in the country is better than the national champion? As long as you can make such a chain of wins (and/or ties) from any team to any other team, the iteration we described will give you an answer. In any reasonable college hockey season, that condition is satisfied by around December. (There's still a way to define KRACH, or at least RRWP, even in weird cases, but it's more complicated, and almost certainly irrelevant.)

Q. And will it give the same answer no matter what guesses we start with?

A. It will always give the same ranking (as long as the chain-of-wins condition from the last answer is satisfied). The only difference that can arise is that all of the rankings might be multiplied by the same number. So one guess might make everyone's KRACH be three times what another guess does. Since it's the ratios that are meaningful, this ambiguity doesn't matter, but we get rid of it anyway by requiring that a completely typical team, one which would be expected to go .500 if it played every other team the same number of times, has a KRACH of 100.

Q. What is RRWP? What is the difference between KRACH and RRWP?

A. The RRWP, or Round-Robin Winning Percentage, is the winning percentage a team would be expected to accumulate, if they played a completely balanced schedule, i.e., if the NCAA held a round-robin tournament with all the teams in one big group. It's calculated from the KRACH, using the interpretation that the winning ratio you'd be expected to run up against a team is given by your KRACH rating divided by theirs. If you calculated the KRACH ratings for a league playing a balanced schedule, each team's RRWP at the end of the season would equal their actual winning percentage.

Q. What does KRACH stand for?

A. Ken's Ratings for American College Hockey, named after statistician Kenneth Butler, who first used applied them to college hockey.

Q. Where does KRACH come from?

A. The rating method was first invented in 1929 by a German named Zermelo to evaluate the results of a chess tournament in which a full round-robin was not completed. In 1952 a pair of Americans, Bradley and Terry, unaware of Zermelo's work, rediscovered the method while trying to model the outcomes of taste tests, and this rating system came to be called the Bradley-Terry method. In the 1990s, an English statistician named Kenneth Butler, studying in Canada, decided to apply the Bradley-Terry method to US college hockey, and when prodded for a name chose Ken's Ratings for American College Hockey.

Q. Where can I read further explanations of KRACH?

A. Ken Butler's original KRACH explanation page (with examples) is still on the web. Note that the "fictitious games" he described are no longer part of the KRACH ratings and are not used in USCHO's calculations. John Whelan has a more detailed mathematical analysis of KRACH.

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I did make one key change to how I calculate the SOS. that is explained at:

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I'm revamping this now using a different algorithm - we'll see if it's any better...

Instead of using the raw rating values and the KRACH accepted algorithm, I'm likely just using an inverse ranking sum - more later...

As to the Lake being "up" or "down" I'd say it's all relative. Meaning, when you compare this or last year to 2003-4 - nothing compares.

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I like this better, and I think it makes more sense. It's been "normalized" - meaning same as before, but now doesn't punish the best for not being able to play themselves (EP), and also doesn't help the others for being able to play the very top team (EP) more than others...

Neat part is that the SOS now is an average ranking of all opponents faced - meaning that if you take the ranks of all opponents for a team, add them up, divide by the number of games, you get the average rank of the opponents.

RK TEAM SOS
1 Wayzata 23.850
2 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton 26.389
3 Edina 31.048
4 Hibbing 31.095
5 South St. Paul 32.600
6 Hill-Murray Pioneers 32.700
7 Roseville 32.944
8 Stillwater 33.550
9 Grand Rapids/Greenway 33.636
10 White Bear Lake 34.684
11 Benilde-St. Margarets 35.278
12 Blaine 35.889
13 Hopkins 36.350
14 Eden Prairie 36.500
15 Mounds View 36.737
16 Simley 36.850
17 Cretin-Derham Hall 38.000
18 Hastings 38.850
19 Warroad 38.947
20 Eastview 39.600
21 North St. Paul Polars 39.842
22 Woodbury 40.167
23 Park of Cottage Grove 40.500
24 Forest Lake 41.900
25 Burnsville 41.950
26 Anoka 43.750
27 Andover 43.789
28 Elk River 43.810
29 Henry Sibley 43.905
30 Academy of Holy Angels 44.900
31 Mahtomedi 45.150
32 Champlin Park 45.300
33 Centennial 45.684
34 Bloom. Jefferson 45.737
35 Eagan 45.900
36 Osseo 46.579
37 Park Center 47.333
38 Chaska 48.500
39 Lakev. North 49.143
40 Rob. Armstrong 49.300
41 Coon Rapids 49.350
42 Bloom. Kennedy 49.500
43 Chisago Lakes/Pine City 50.000
44 Maple Grove 50.400
45 Lakev. South 50.762
46 Blake 51.105
47 Roch. Mayo 52.333
48 Richfield 52.500
49 Duluth East 53.158
50 Apple Valley 53.200
51 Bemidji 53.200
52 Prior Lake 53.350
53 Roch. John Marshall/Century 53.471
54 Buffalo 54.118
55 Minnetonka 54.200
56 Moorhead 54.611
57 Roseau 55.000
58 Duluth Central/Denfeld 56.789
59 Totino-Grace 58.050
60 New Prague 58.053
61 St. Louis Park 58.300
62 St. Cld. Tech 58.650
63 Farmington 60.600
64 Albert Lea Tigers 63.412
65 Owatonna 64.000
66 St. Francis/North Branch 64.350
67 Irondale 64.600
68 St. Paul Blades 65.125
69 Rob. Cooper 65.450
70 Mankato West 66.895
71 Hutchinson 67.053
72 Brainerd 67.421
73 Winona Winhawks 68.083
74 Red Wing 69.222
75 St. Paul United 69.444
76 Thief River Falls 70.389
77 Breck 70.500
78 St. Cld. Icebreakers 71.350
79 Austin 71.353
80 Shakopee 72.053
81 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 72.150
82 Rosemount 72.200
83 Fergus Falls 72.556
84 Minneapolis Novas 73.111
85 Little Falls 73.368
86 River Lakes Stars 73.400
87 Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 74.167
88 Mankato East 75.067
89 Faribault 75.200
90 Willmar 75.368
91 Detroit Lakes 75.750
92 International Falls 75.882
93 Silver Bay/Two Harbors 75.941
94 Northfield 76.500
95 Crookston 77.875
96 Rogers 79.100
97 Alexandria 79.286
98 Sartell/Sauk Rapids Stormn Sabres 79.300
99 Lake of the Woods 79.529
100 St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy 82.062
101 Tri-City 82.235
102 Princeton 82.941
103 Orono 83.105
104 North Wright County River Hawks 83.400
105 Eveleth 84.437
106 Cambridge-Isanti 84.450
107 Minnehaha Academy 84.778
108 Mound-Westonka 85.200
109 Moose Lake 85.467
110 New Ulm 85.556
111 East Grand Forks 86.571
112 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 89.000
113 Park Rapids 89.714
114 Morris/Benson/Hancock 91.235
115 Waseca 95.278
116 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 97.333
117 Fairmont 98.444
118 Long Prairie-Grey Eagle/Wadena-Deer Cr 102.294
119 Marshall 102.412
120 Babbitt-Embarrass 102.700
121 Luverne 104.647
122 Worthington 105.250
123 Tartan 107.455
124 Redwood Valley 107.750
125 Windom Area Eagles 110.353
126 Dodge County 111.267


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There's still one potential "flaw" in the SOS consideration, Not really a flaw per se, as much as a point of interpretation. When working with averages, we have to understnad that a team with an arbitraty SOS value could achieve one specific value a multitude of ways.

For example, if a team played that top 10 teams of 100, and the bottom 10, they could get a SOS of ~ 50. (1+2+3+...+10)+(91+92+93+...+100)/20 = ~ 50

Similarly, a team could play teams 41-50 and 51-60 and get the same SOS...
(41+42+43+...+50)+(51+52+53+...+60)/20 = ~50

Who played the tougher schedule? The team that played 1-10 & 91-100? Or the team that played 41-50 & 51-60???

As a side note, if both teams went 10-10, the team that played the top 10 would be ranked (Power Ranking Wise) 90 or so (Krach assumes they only beat 91-100), and the team that played 41-60 would be ranked 50 or so (Krach assumes only beat 51-60) .
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2003-4:
http://bgoski.com/simley/girls/2003-4Rankings.htm

2004-5:
http://bgoski.com/simley/girls/2004-5Rankings.htm
(Game Results): http://bgoski.com/simley/girls/2004-5Results.htm
(SOS): http://bgoski.com/simley/girls/2004-5SOS.htm

2005-6:
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4348

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2nd half stuff...
http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/news ... page=12092
Wednesday, February 15, 2006 Submitted by Site Admin.
2nd Half KRACH
http://home.comcast.net/~simley/girls/R ... Season.htm

At the request of another coach, we ran the KRACH for the 2nd half of the season only (from 1/1/06 through the end of the regular season (no playoffs)...

We compared the 2nd Half only (2N) data to the entire Regular Season (RS) data to see which team was the best the 2nd Half of the year...

Two preliminary points worth mentioning relative to interpretation...

1) Tartan didn't play any Varsity the 2nd half of the season, so they got a 10 rating and a 63 SOS (default/average values). This also reminds me that the average team in the state should be ranked #63 and have a value of 10 rating). Meaning that if a team wishes to compare themselves to the theoretical "average" team, they would have to reference these values.


2) SOS typically is much different for most teams the 2nd half of the year, as they are mainly in conference play. This likely has an effect on ratings, etc. - and - we also have to note that with only half the games we lose some resolution/clairity due to not as much data...
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KRACH SAYS:

PV TEAM RATING SOSRK SOSRATING GP W L T PTS GF AVG GA AVG PCT
1 New Ulm 12.324 101 81.100 12 8 4 0 16 68 5.67 30 2.50 0.667
2 Marshall 7.386 92 75.643 14 8 6 0 16 63 4.50 28 2.00 0.571
3 Fairmont 1.562 121 106.273 11 7 4 0 14 45 4.09 35 3.18 0.636
4 Luverne 1.437 122 108.364 12 7 5 0 14 48 4.00 38 3.17 0.583
5 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 0.622 116 93.167 13 4 9 0 8 27 2.08 60 4.62 0.308
6 Windom Area 0.115 117 96.000 12 1 10 1 3 17 1.42 86 7.17 0.125
7 Worthington 0.062 124 111.909 13 2 10 1 5 20 1.54 72 5.54 0.192
8 Redwood Valley 0.017 120 105.143 7 0 7 0 0 7 1.00 63 9.00 0.000
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Unfortunately I can't edit the poll above to reflect Fairmont once it's been voted on...
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KRACH as of 1-24 AM:

RK TEAM RATING SOS RK SOS RATING GP W L T PTS GF AVG GA AVG PCT
1 New Ulm 8.472 111 86.059 19 13 6 0 26 105 5.53 43 2.26 0.684
2 Marshall 6.861 113 90.571 22 16 6 0 32 118 5.36 36 1.64 0.727
3 Fairmont 0.355 119 105.125 16 9 7 0 18 55 3.44 67 4.19 0.563
4 Luverne 0.221 122 108.000 19 8 10 1 17 60 3.16 64 3.37 0.447
5 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 0.090 118 104.600 21 8 13 0 16 51 2.43 85 4.05 0.381
6 Redwood Valley 0.001 123 108.364 11 0 11 0 0 9 0.82 97 8.82 0.000
7 Windom Area 0.001 117 104.333 18 3 14 1 7 43 2.39 110 6.11 0.194
8 Worthington 0.001 124 111.882 20 2 17 1 5 25 1.25 114 5.70 0.125
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http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/showbrackets.asp?tournid=500

KRACH SEED TEAM RATING
1 2 New Ulm 6.840
2 1 Marshall 6.399
3 3 Fairmont 0.324
4 4 Luverne 0.175
5 5 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 0.062
6 8 Redwood Valley 0.001
6 6 Windom Area 0.001
6 7 Worthington 0.001
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Post by jetjock »

How will New Ulm's goalie situation effect this section? Is Marshall the favorite now
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Post by pondhockey »

Marshall 17 - Redwood Valley 0

Jeez, what a way to beat up a first year team.
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Post by GOCARDS1 »

shouldnt the marshall coaches have a little more class than that? seriously... oh well, they (marshall) are gonna get beat down that bad by everyone else at state so what goes around, comes around. whoever is playin section 3A is very fortunate.
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Post by RSI »

Don't forget about New Ulm putting up 13 against Worth/Fulda (Worthington?). One of the New Ulm girls had twice as many points as their opponent had shots :o
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Post by Twinnesota »

GOCARDS1 wrote:shouldnt the marshall coaches have a little more class than that? seriously... oh well, they (marshall) are gonna get beat down that bad by everyone else at state so what goes around, comes around. whoever is playin section 3A is very fortunate.
Section 4A will play them.
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Post by Johnny_Murphy »

I tink New Ulm will win the section.
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Post by GOCARDS1 »

actually i think they play section 8A at state.. but im not sure
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Post by SportsMa »

Yep, Section 3A plays Section 8A in State Brackets posted at the MSHSL website.

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/activitypage.asp?actnum=460
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Post by Twinnesota »

SportsMa wrote:Yep, Section 3A plays Section 8A in State Brackets posted at the MSHSL website.

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/activitypage.asp?actnum=460
You are correct !! :oops: :oops:

They will play the likes of Crookston?

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Post by GOCARDS1 »

should be a good game
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Post by ghshockeyfan »

Marshall 5, NU 3 on the MSHSL site.
SWHockeyGuy
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FYI on Marshall vs Redwood Falls game

Post by SWHockeyGuy »

Yes, Marshall scored 17 goals.
But....
-that was on only 40 shots!
-The first line did not play after the first period
-The starting goalie (only goalie) skated the third period for the first time!
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Conversely...New Ulm vs Worthington

Post by SWHockeyGuy »

New Ulm scored 13 goal.
And....
-Had 137 !!!!! Shots on goal
- Played their first line the whole game.
-Had 50 shots the third period during running time.

The Worthington coach brought many of his girls to the section finals to cheer for Marshall.
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