Will gas prices ever go down?
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NEVER!
The marketing ploy is to keep taking it up higher in two step increments so when they do take it down one step it looks like a bargain.
We will be soon longing for the days of, "remember when gas was only $3.00 a gallon"
I pumped gas when it was .39 cents a gallon and when customers would say give me a buck's worth.......of course that was when I was also under sniper fire
The marketing ploy is to keep taking it up higher in two step increments so when they do take it down one step it looks like a bargain.
We will be soon longing for the days of, "remember when gas was only $3.00 a gallon"
I pumped gas when it was .39 cents a gallon and when customers would say give me a buck's worth.......of course that was when I was also under sniper fire
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Received this today...worth sharing I suppose. 
TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
>
> I don't know what you guys are paying for
gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50
per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years
now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every
gallon..
>
> Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in
San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period
thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and
gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with
a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
>
> Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early
morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all
service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The
colder the ground the more dense the gaso
line,
when it gets warmer
gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your
gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the
specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet
fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
>
> A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for
this business. But the service stations do not have temperature
compensation at the pumps.
>
> When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of
the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the
trigger has three (3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you
should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are
created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return.
If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that
goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and
back into the undergrou
nd sto
rage tank so you're getting less
worth for your money.
>
> One of the most important tips is to fill up when
your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more
gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space.
Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks
have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance
between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we
load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the
exact amount.
>
> Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck
pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most
likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered,
and you might pick up some f the dirt that normally settles on the
bottom. Hope this will help you get
the mo
st value for your money.
>
> DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!
>
> WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO
KNOW. READ ON
>
> Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we
grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting
American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.
>
> I thought it might be interesting for you to know
which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies import Middle Eastern oil.
>
> These companies import Middle Eas
tern o
il:
>
> Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
>
> Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
>
> Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
>
> Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
>
> Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
>
> Citgo gas is from South America , from a Dictator who
hates Americans.
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount
to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel)
> Here are some large companies that do NOT import
Middle Eastern oil:
>
> Sunoco..................0 barrels
>
> Conoco..................0 barrels
>
> Sinclair.................0 barrels
>
> B P/Phillips............0 barrels
>
> Hess.......................0 barrels
>
> ARC0....................0 barrels
>
> If you go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the station locations near you.
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally
millio
ns of
gas buyers. It's really simple to do.
>
> Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) .. and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it .....
THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. how long would all that take?
>
>
TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
>
> I don't know what you guys are paying for
gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50
per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years
now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every
gallon..
>
> Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in
San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period
thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and
gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with
a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
>
> Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early
morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all
service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The
colder the ground the more dense the gaso
line,
when it gets warmer
gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your
gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the
specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet
fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
>
> A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for
this business. But the service stations do not have temperature
compensation at the pumps.
>
> When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of
the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the
trigger has three (3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you
should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are
created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return.
If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that
goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and
back into the undergrou
nd sto
rage tank so you're getting less
worth for your money.
>
> One of the most important tips is to fill up when
your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more
gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space.
Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks
have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance
between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we
load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the
exact amount.
>
> Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck
pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most
likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered,
and you might pick up some f the dirt that normally settles on the
bottom. Hope this will help you get
the mo
st value for your money.
>
> DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!
>
> WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO
KNOW. READ ON
>
> Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we
grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting
American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.
>
> I thought it might be interesting for you to know
which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major
companies import Middle Eastern oil.
>
> These companies import Middle Eas
tern o
il:
>
> Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
>
> Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
>
> Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
>
> Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
>
> Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
>
> Citgo gas is from South America , from a Dictator who
hates Americans.
If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount
to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel)
> Here are some large companies that do NOT import
Middle Eastern oil:
>
> Sunoco..................0 barrels
>
> Conoco..................0 barrels
>
> Sinclair.................0 barrels
>
> B P/Phillips............0 barrels
>
> Hess.......................0 barrels
>
> ARC0....................0 barrels
>
> If you go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the station locations near you.
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally
millio
ns of
gas buyers. It's really simple to do.
>
> Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) .. and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it .....
THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. how long would all that take?
>
>
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Know what makes it work?DmanDad1980 wrote:There may be hope...
Japanese are getting close to a Hydrogen engine for 2012-2014 time frame... Hopefully GM, Ford and the rest are doing the same...
Fuel: H2O
Bi-Product: H20
Platinum...
All electrochemical reactions in a fuel cell consist of two separate reactions: an oxidation half-reaction at the anode and a reduction half-reaction at the cathode. Normally, the two half-reactions would occur very slowly at the low operating temperature of the PEM fuel cell. So each of the electrodes is coated on one side with a catalyst layer that speeds up the reaction of oxygen and hydrogen. It is usually made of platinum powder very thinly coated onto carbon paper or cloth. The catalyst is rough and porous so that the maximum surface area of the platinum can be exposed to the hydrogen or oxygen. The platinum-coated side of the catalyst faces the PEM. Platinum-group metals are critical to catalyzing reactions in the fuel cell, but they are very expensive. DOE's goal is to reduce the use of platinum in fuel cell cathodes by at least a factor of 20 or eliminate it altogether to decrease the cost of fuel cells to consumers.
Courtesy of US Dept. Of Energy
Do you know what the world supply of platinum is? and how long it could sustain a driving country like the US if everyone had them?
South Africa has 78% of the world’s annual platinum production and most of the world’s platinum reserves.
More info:
http://www.gold-eagle.com/analysis/platinum.html
It's a good idea but not the answer for long term..a bandaid at best!
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CNTCan't Never Tried wrote:Know what makes it work?DmanDad1980 wrote:There may be hope...
Japanese are getting close to a Hydrogen engine for 2012-2014 time frame... Hopefully GM, Ford and the rest are doing the same...
Fuel: H2O
Bi-Product: H20
Platinum...
All electrochemical reactions in a fuel cell consist of two separate reactions: an oxidation half-reaction at the anode and a reduction half-reaction at the cathode. Normally, the two half-reactions would occur very slowly at the low operating temperature of the PEM fuel cell. So each of the electrodes is coated on one side with a catalyst layer that speeds up the reaction of oxygen and hydrogen. It is usually made of platinum powder very thinly coated onto carbon paper or cloth. The catalyst is rough and porous so that the maximum surface area of the platinum can be exposed to the hydrogen or oxygen. The platinum-coated side of the catalyst faces the PEM. Platinum-group metals are critical to catalyzing reactions in the fuel cell, but they are very expensive. DOE's goal is to reduce the use of platinum in fuel cell cathodes by at least a factor of 20 or eliminate it altogether to decrease the cost of fuel cells to consumers.
Courtesy of US Dept. Of Energy
Do you know what the world supply of platinum is? and how long it could sustain a driving country like the US if everyone had them?
South Africa has 78% of the world’s annual platinum production and most of the world’s platinum reserves.
More info:
http://www.gold-eagle.com/analysis/platinum.html
It's a good idea but not the answer for long term..a bandaid at best!
Let's find another catalyst then... Maybe...
BTW nice find on the Platinum info
Keep up the good work...
Diesel is at 4.19
I found a station that was 4.07---I filled up. Well, as much as my debit card would allow at the pump, I was in a hurry. 75$ got me to 3/8ths of a tank.
I think about getting a different vehicle, but this one is paid for. they won't take on a trade because, go figure, no one wants to buy a Diesel right now. If I park it and make payments on something that takes regular gas (which, believe me, feels like a bargain at 3.29/gallon)--well I can go a long way on the gas I can buy with the money I would put into a payment. And I am being assured by my better half that I can get at least another hundred thou out of the diesel motor......but the kids say it doesn't have a dvd players......what to do, what to do
Can't get a smaller vehicle, my husband is too bad of a driver to not be the biggest vehicle on the road. For it's size and weight, my vehicle gets 15/ gallon, which is actually not that far off of a mini-van. Having the kids quit hockey and traveling baseball would help ALOT but than the doctor bills would go up..... any advice????
I found a station that was 4.07---I filled up. Well, as much as my debit card would allow at the pump, I was in a hurry. 75$ got me to 3/8ths of a tank.
I think about getting a different vehicle, but this one is paid for. they won't take on a trade because, go figure, no one wants to buy a Diesel right now. If I park it and make payments on something that takes regular gas (which, believe me, feels like a bargain at 3.29/gallon)--well I can go a long way on the gas I can buy with the money I would put into a payment. And I am being assured by my better half that I can get at least another hundred thou out of the diesel motor......but the kids say it doesn't have a dvd players......what to do, what to do
Can't get a smaller vehicle, my husband is too bad of a driver to not be the biggest vehicle on the road.
For it's size and weight, my vehicle gets 15/ gallon, which is actually not that far off of a mini-van. Having the kids quit hockey and traveling baseball would help ALOT but than the doctor bills would go up..... any advice????Sounds like a sudden flash fire caused by retro fitting the car for a DVD player might provide the down payment needed for a newbie if that is the route you decide to go
I think anything paid for and running well, despite the cost of fuel is still the way to go.
Long trips - rent a car with good gas mileage and a DVD player - just strap the bags to the roof.
I think anything paid for and running well, despite the cost of fuel is still the way to go.
Long trips - rent a car with good gas mileage and a DVD player - just strap the bags to the roof.
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