Why the Ann Arbor Program is not good.

Rinkydink2003
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statement

Post by Rinkydink2003 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 7:56 am

How could you not send your kid there if hewas the best of the best like meuller and frazee HONESTLY?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

NorthHockey12
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Noterman

Post by NorthHockey12 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 11:44 am

By the way, in typical rinkrat fashion noterman basically gets all the cheap ice time he can during the summer and advertises for the local Junior A, D1/D3 college and elite players to play pickup games... That must be some serious pond hockey on saturday mornings;-). Take your best HS elite player and put him on the ice with college players and let's see if he can deke his way around some all WCHA defenseman...;-) Can't USA Hockey help with that?<br><br><br>What rink is this played at and when? Can you send me more info on it please it sounds appealing <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

petey1321
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Some joke

Post by petey1321 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:13 pm

Compared to the rest of the country, Minnesota hockey is a joke? Are you serious? Name another state that produces as many D-1 players as this one, particularly at upper echelon schools like you find in the WCHA (UND, U of M, CC, etc.) Most of the eastern D-1 teams are winning games on the strength of a bunch of Canadians--which is fine, that's not the point--but a bunch of Minnesotans and one North Dakotan have done a pretty good job the past couple years at least.<br><br>You want to talk NHLers? We can't match "the rest of the country" in terms of the elite of the league, for plenty of reasons, the biggest of which is that the best players from here for a long, long time have stayed in the HS leagues while players like Roenick (from Boston) have ended up in Canadian Major Junior leagues. But, we're catching up in that regard as well. We've got 24 NHLers (by my count), and the only state to have more is Massachusetts, who has something like 30 (I checked usahockey.com; count them if you like, I could be off by a couple either way). With guys like Langenbrunner, Parrish, Cullen, Hill, Klatt, Rasmussen, and the like, there are plenty of veterans who have made a mark in the league. Furthermore, there are guys waiting in the wings like Jordan Leopold, Jeff Taffe, Toby Petersen, Kurt Sauer, and Brad Defauw who will have an impact in the coming years. Yes, some of those are NTDP guys, and some are WHLers, but they're all home grown guys who grew up playing hockey here in Minnesota.<br><br>Now, your point seems to be that Minnesota Hockey has it's head "buried in the sand", and to a certain extent, I agree with you. The fact that we didn't conform to the age limits so our guys could go to the Silver Stick and Nationals is a joke. But, your point about national champions from here is not a very good one. You know as well as I do (you said it yourself, for the most part), that Minnesota has always based its teams on geographical regions (cities, halves of cities, 2 cities together, whatever), whereas places like Michigan and Massachusetts have AAA teams who play year round together. Now, we can debate the point of which is a better system all day long: you can point to all sorts of national championships, and I'll point to the D-1 scholarships our guys are getting plus the fact that the Blades and other MN AAA summer teams have played at or above the level of most of the AAA teams from around the country when they get together in tournaments over the summer. We might not be producing championships at the nationals, but how can you expect kids from Jefferson, Edina, Eden Prairie, or wherever to beat kids from the greater Detroit area? If we made a District 6 team and sent them along, or just took the Blades (or whatever AAA team is on top now...for the 84, 85, and 86s, at least, the Blades were THE team) to the nationals, we'd have our share of championships too. Some people would consider it more important than others; I frankly couldn't care less how our A teams are doing against AAA teams at the nationals. I've seen Minnesota AAA teams beat Honeybaked and Compuware before, and that's good enough for me.<br><br>But, to call Minnesota hockey a joke because we don't have USA hockey national champions is a bit much, as far as I'm concerned. As I've said before, we've got some 200 D-1 players from this state, and we'll keep producing 50-70 D-1 players every year, with or without national titles. I don't really want to get into an argument about the NTDP vs. USHL vs. high school or anything like that. All I'm saying is that Minnesota keeps producing many of the top players in all of USA hockey, and our state's players keep proving that over and over at places like Selects and summer AAA tournaments, not to mention NCAA and NHL success. If you want to see MN kids winning USA Hockey titles, that's fine, but to call the state's hockey a joke because our A teams can't beat what would be considered all-star teams here is a big stretch to make. <p></p><i></i>

Rinkydink2003
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Joke?

Post by Rinkydink2003 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 5:56 pm

That is exactly what I am saying we don't need High School and Bantam teams combine them into AAA leagues And those Pros like Leopold went to NTDP as well as others. Just make Tier 1 2 and 3 teams so obviously you need to be educated by some one with higher athority.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/grin.gif ALT=" >D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

petey1321
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Again, some joke

Post by petey1321 » Sun Jun 01, 2003 6:42 pm

You thinking that the system needs to be changed does not make Minnesota hockey a joke. Have a stab at this list, if you'd like:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/div12 ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Looks to me like we're doing fine here. You've got a lot of national champions these days who played Minnesota high school hockey.<br><br>Then if you want to talk NHLers, you've got guys like Cullen, Parrish, and plenty more (take a look yourself, I'm not making a list for you) who have played through the Minnesota youth programs and gone to play high school in this state and are now at the top of the game.<br><br>If you think that winning a USA Hockey national title is such a big deal, then go ahead and cheer on Shattuck; I don't really care. But, we've got 200 some D-1 players and 20 some NHLers who demonstrate quite clearly that hockey here in Minnesota is anything but a joke. <p></p><i></i>

centerman
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Joke?

Post by centerman » Sun Jun 01, 2003 8:31 pm

To call Minnesota hockey a joke shows zero knowledge of the game and it's history. This state takes a back seat to nobody.<br><br>National titles in AAA? Who Cares?<br><br>We produce many fine players and teams and will continue to. Can we make some changes for the better? You bet!<br><br>Minnesota hockey a joke? Never!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

balls
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Re: Joke?

Post by balls » Mon Jun 02, 2003 12:06 am

who cares about national titles...that is what high school hockey and youth hockey is all about. Winning the national title shows your the best team...saying things so ignorant as national titles...who cares? is like saying stanley cups..who cares. you obviously dont not play hockey because the feeling of winning a national title is the best feeling you can have as a young kid. minnesota hockey is all about dump and chace there is really hardly any skill involved. They make have taken cullen and parrish to the nhl but that was a long time ago. MN hockey is nothing compared to NTDP and shattuck. Latley the pros have came from NDTP and these types of schools. with as many kids in mn hockey who do not have a lot of skills or talent...its just going to go down hill for mn. <p></p><i></i>

petey1321
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The Best Feeling

Post by petey1321 » Mon Jun 02, 2003 6:26 am

"The best feeling you can have" is entirely up to whoever is playing. I recall Neal Broten saying at one point that he'd have given up his NCAA title, Olympic gold medal, and Stanley Cup to have won the state high school tournament with his friends. It's all a matter of what you value. If you want to go play the Washington Little Caps in front of 500 people at the Laurel Ice Gardens, that's your prerogative. But, I know a lot of kids who would much rather take their chances in front of 18,064 at the Xcel Center and try to win a state HS title.<br><br>That was a long time ago, eh? What about guys like Taffe and Pohl? Or guys coming up like Riddle and Guyer? How about Bochenski and Gilbert? These are guys who have been taken in the earlier rounds of the NHL draft (or will be), and they all played high school hockey.<br><br>To dismiss all of these guys as aberrations while pointing to the 4 or 5 Shattuck/NTDP guys who have gone on to hugs success (Leopold, Parise, Ballard, Eaves, Eaves, whoever else) as an example is absurd. You can't say that there are just a few guys from the Minnesota HS league that have made it big, because there are more Minnesota high schoolers in the NHL than kids from Shattuck in the NHL. And sure, Shattuck has a good record of getting kids to D-1...but again, take a look at that list. 207 kids from MN, 193 of them not from Shattuck and some 180 from neither Shattuck nor the NTDP. <br><br>If you guys want to come in and try to rain on some parades, good luck doing it. You're just giving me plenty of fodder to tell you exactly why you are ignorant. The numbers don't lie, guys. All you have to do is pull your heads out of the sand and take a look. But, don't come in here and tell me that a midget AAA national title means more to everybody than a HS state title, because it doesn't. Other than the kids at Shattuck, the best players that would be in the midget AAA leagues are by and large in a Junior A (or B, out east) league anyway, so it's not like you're getting much better competition. Look at how badly Shattuck kills most of the teams they play, and then look at how closely Minnesota HS teams have played them of late (BSM and AHA both took them to OT, and neither of them won state titles in the years that it happened, so don't try saying that). If you want to go back to peewees and bantams, that's fine too, because I've witnessed several Minnesota AAA teams beat the USA Hockey national champions in summer tournaments. Do I need to keep going, or is it starting to sink in? <p></p><i></i>

Whoknew2
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ann arbor

Post by Whoknew2 » Mon Jun 02, 2003 7:40 am

The bottom line is if your good enough, they will find you! It doesn't matter where you play. Prove your the best you can be at the level your at and the hockey minds will find you. Be it Ann Arbor, Juniors, High School, Prep, etc... It is all a personal decision by family and kid. The money spent on hockey is everywhere!!! <p></p><i></i>

Whoknew2
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petey

Post by Whoknew2 » Mon Jun 02, 2003 7:44 am

AHA did not take Shattuck to overtime. Shattuck 4-3 regulation. AHA was in it all thanks to Frazee who is going -- Ann Arbor!!! <p></p><i></i>

Brett11
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Ann Arbor

Post by Brett11 » Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:01 am

Whoknew2,<br><br>Yeah, you go and tell the other 19 kids on that AHA team they had nothing to do with that 4-3 loss to Shattuck. <br><br>Frazee played great, but I didn't see his name in the box score listing who had the assists and goals. At one point late in the game it was a 3-3 game. Every player did his part that night, not just Frazee. <p></p><i></i>

balls
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Re: Ann Arbor

Post by balls » Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:28 am

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centerman
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Ann Arbor?

Post by centerman » Mon Jun 02, 2003 3:21 pm

Mr. or Mrs. Balls,<br><br>My statement was AAA hockey national champs who cares? I stand by that statement. If AAA is what your excited about good for you. I could personally care less.<br><br>Minnesota hockey has nothing to prove to anyone. The track record speaks for itself. Could Minnesota hockey improve some things in the future? For Sure! Before you call someones comments ignorant make sure you look in the mirror first.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

joe lulic
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Re: Ann Arbor?

Post by joe lulic » Mon Jun 02, 2003 3:44 pm

Someone points out that Leopold, Ballard, etc ,all of whom are excellent players, went to the NTDP. So what? Leopold played 4 years at the U before he went to the NHL. If these guys were skipping high school to go to the NTDP and in 2 years stepping on to the ice with an NHL team, I would be impressed but that aint what's happening. They go to the NTDP, then spend years in Juniors and/or college. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

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