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2015-16 KRACH RANK - MGHCA WEBSITE - 2/20 FINAL (7448)

Post by ghshockeyfan »

The KRACH rankings for MN Girls' HS Hockey are now available on the MGHCA website.

http://www.bgoski.com (forward link)

http://www.mghca.com/page/show/427504-krach-rankings (direct link)

The final rankings for the past 13 seasons will also be archived there in addition to the most current season's rankings, once ready for release (at some point).
ghshockeyfan wrote:Main website: http://www.bgoski.com/krach
See MN Hockey Hub for rankings and more info.:
http://www.mghca.com/page/show/427504-krach-rankings
1) This only counts games vs. MSHSL varsity teams.
2) This only uses scores entered on the Girls' Hockey Hub/MGHCA website:
http://www.mghca.com
To enter a missing score contact your team rep. Each team should have a person responsible for updating this information (coach, parent, manager, etc.) - you can also email: scores@tstmedia.com - see: http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/page/sh ... mit-scores (they really want a scoresheet image though)
3) For past years' ranking and further explanation:
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33192
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31794
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29597
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27266
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24859
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21598
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18448
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7973
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4348
4) Most Recent Ranking Links:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS.htm
==========================================
5) Past Ranking Links for 2015-16:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160205.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160131.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160124.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160117.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160110.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160103.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151227.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151206.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151129.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151122.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151115.htm (2015-16 INITIAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20150224.htm (2014-15 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2004-5_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2003-4_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
pre-KRACH OA rankings:
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2003g.htm (2002-3 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2002g.htm (2001-2 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2001g.htm (2000-1 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps2000g.htm (1999-2000 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/ps1999g.htm (1998-9 FINAL)
http://www.minnhock.com/archives.htm (General Pre-KRACH Archives)
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160205.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160131.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160124.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160117.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160110.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160103.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151227.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151206.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151129.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151122.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151115.htm (2015-16 INITIAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20150224.htm (2014-15 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH) - instead see http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 10&class=3
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2004-5_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2003-4_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
***No pre-KRACH Class rankings
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160205.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160131.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160124.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160117.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160110.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160103.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151227.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151206.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151129.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151122.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151115.htm (2015-16 INITIAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20150224.htm (2014-15 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH) - instead see http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 10&class=2
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2004-5_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_2003-4_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
***No pre-KRACH Class rankings
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160205.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160131.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160124.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160117.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160110.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160103.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151227.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151206.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151129.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151122.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151115.htm (2015-16 INITIAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20150224.htm (2014-15 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2006-7_FINAL.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2005-6_FINAL.htm
***2004-5_FINAL (No KRACH by Section)
***2003-4_FINAL (No KRACH by Section)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_C_S_2002-3_FINAL.htm
***No pre-KRACH Section rankings
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160205.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160131.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160124.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160117.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160110.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160103.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151227.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151220.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151213.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151206.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151129.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151122.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151115.htm (2015-16 INITIAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20150224.htm (2014-15 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20140223.htm (2013-14 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20130302.htm (2012-13 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20120226.htm (2011-12 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20110227.htm (2010-11 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20100228.htm (2009-10 FINAL)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_2008-9_FINAL.htm
***2007-8_FINAL (No KRACH)
***2006-7_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_2005-6_FINAL.htm
***2004-5_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
***2003-4_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
***2002-3_FINAL (No KRACH SOS)
***No pre-KRACH SOS rankings
==========================================

31 Dec 2006 15:56
ghshockeyfan wrote:I get asked a lot about the KRACH method of ranking, related issues, etc. as posted at:

http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/fron ... entID=1830
&
http://bgoski.com/rank/

Here are some key links for more info. if anyone wants it:

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... =6&stop=10
http://p100.ezboard.com/fmnhsfrm19.show ... 9&stop=149
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7973


USCHO (Claims that this system is best for SOS concerns):
www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=krach
www.uscho.com/FAQs/?data=krach

Ken Butler's original KRACH explanation page (with examples):
www.mscs.dal.ca/~butler/krachexp.htm
***This seems to be the best explenation...

John Whelan has a more detailed mathematical analysis of KRACH.:
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach
System Comparison of College Hockey...
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach
A Proposed Modification to the NCAA Selection Criteria:
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach

SiouxSports.com's independently calculated KRACH ratings (normalized so North Dakota's KRACH rating is 100.):
www.siouxsports.com/hocke.../krach.php
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2015-16 1st KRACH - 15-Nov-2015 - Too early, but...

Post by ghshockeyfan »

KRACH needs more data (games) to be of value; but for those that want to see how the first games work with KRACH, I'll post it now.

Looking at this early helped me initially understand how KRACH works, that it doesn't look at score or class, and that it only considers W/L/T & the strength of the schedule a team plays.

Keep in mind - the 116 teams have only played a few games. No team has yet to play more than five games.

OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151115.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151115.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151115.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151115.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151115.htm

Here are the results of the games from the Hub as of this AM:

11/5/2015 Rochester Mayo 2 St. Paul United 11
11/5/2015 Minneapolis 4 Apple Valley 3
11/5/2015 Chaska/Chanhassen 7 Holy Family/Waconia 6
11/5/2015 Red Wing 3 Hopkins 5
11/5/2015 Mankato East 1 Owatonna 4
11/5/2015 Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper 3 Rogers 4
11/5/2015 Rochester Century 1 Shakopee 7
11/5/2015 North Wright County 1 Brainerd/Little Falls 4
11/5/2015 Mankato West 7 Albert Lea 1
11/5/2015 Winona 0 Faribault 4
11/5/2015 Holy Angels 7 Simley 4
11/6/2015 Bloomington Jefferson 5 Hastings 1
11/6/2015 Edina 4 Maple Grove 1
11/6/2015 East Grand Forks 2 Bemidji 1
11/6/2015 Eveleth-Gilbert 2 Duluth Marshall 2
11/6/2015 North Shore 2 Moose Lake-Willow River 7
11/7/2015 Owatonna 7 Albert Lea 1
11/7/2015 Rochester Century 3 Winona 0
11/7/2015 Fergus Falls 8 Detroit Lakes 3
11/7/2015 Park Rapids 4 Morris/Benson 1
11/7/2015 North Metro 2 Alexandria 9
11/7/2015 Anoka 2 Andover 4
11/7/2015 Cretin-Derham Hall 1 Blake 4
11/7/2015 Elk River/Zimmerman 5 Centennial 3
11/7/2015 Brainerd/Little Falls 2 Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 3
11/7/2015 Hopkins 4 Eagan 5
11/7/2015 New Prague 1 Proctor/Hermantown 3
11/7/2015 Rochester John Marshall/Lourde 3 Rochester Mayo 2
11/7/2015 Irondale 1 Spring Lake Park/Coon Rapids 5
11/7/2015 Faribault 2 St. Paul Blades 2
11/9/2015 Rosemount 2 Minneapolis 11
11/9/2015 Austin 5 Mankato East 2
11/10/2015 Albert Lea 1 Luverne 9
11/10/2015 Benilde-St. Margaret's 0 Breck 4
11/10/2015 White Bear Lake 2 Eastview 1
11/10/2015 Eagan 3 Hastings 3
11/10/2015 Anoka 3 Irondale 0
11/10/2015 Prior Lake 1 Minnetonka 2
11/10/2015 Northfield 0 Mound Westonka 1
11/10/2015 Centennial 14 North Metro 2
11/10/2015 Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 9 North Shore 1
11/10/2015 Alexandria 6 North Wright County 2
11/10/2015 Wayzata 8 Shakopee 0
11/10/2015 Blaine 9 Totino-Grace 1
11/10/2015 Prairie Centre 6 Morris/Benson 1
11/10/2015 Andover 4 Spring Lake Park/Coon Rapids 5
11/10/2015 Mankato West 10 Waseca 4
11/10/2015 Brainerd/Little Falls 0 St. Cloud 2
11/10/2015 Northern Lakes 1 Fergus Falls 3
11/10/2015 Hopkins 3 New Prague 4
11/10/2015 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 1 River Lakes 3
11/10/2015 Rogers 1 Sartell/Sauk Rapids 3
11/10/2015 Grand Rapids/Greenway 6 Bemidji 2
11/10/2015 Mahtomedi 0 Cretin-Derham Hall 2
11/10/2015 Blake 1 Hill-Murray 3
11/10/2015 Simley 3 Park of Cottage Grove 4
11/10/2015 Dodge County 4 Red Wing 2
11/10/2015 International Falls 3 Roseau 14
11/10/2015 Holy Family/Waconia 0 St. Paul United 6
11/10/2015 Cambridge-Isanti 1 Duluth 6
11/10/2015 Thief River Falls 5 Detroit Lakes 0
11/10/2015 Minnehaha United 2 St. Paul Blades 8
11/10/2015 Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper 5 Henry Sibley 3
11/10/2015 Apple Valley 5 Woodbury 1
11/10/2015 Hibbing/Chisholm 7 Eveleth-Gilbert 1
11/12/2015 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 2 Prairie Centre 1
11/12/2015 Mankato East 2 Rochester Century 6
11/12/2015 Rosemount 1 Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper 6
11/12/2015 Buffalo 2 Chaska/Chanhassen 7
11/12/2015 Bloomington Jefferson 1 Eastview 5
11/12/2015 Lakeville South 0 Eden Prairie 3
11/12/2015 Princeton 8 Minneapolis 1
11/12/2015 Red Wing 6 Owatonna 2
11/12/2015 Northern Lakes 2 Park Rapids 3
11/12/2015 Mound Westonka 2 South St Paul 2
11/12/2015 Luverne 8 Windom 0
11/12/2015 Elk River/Zimmerman 2 Dodge County 0
11/12/2015 Hutchinson 4 Willmar 3
11/12/2015 Detroit Lakes 6 Crookston 5
11/12/2015 New Ulm 3 Mankato West 1
11/12/2015 Austin 5 Albert Lea 0
11/12/2015 Apple Valley 0 East Ridge 3
11/12/2015 Champlin Park 1 Mounds View 2
11/12/2015 International Falls 11 North Shore 3
11/12/2015 Winona 2 Northfield 8
11/12/2015 Moose Lake-Willow River 1 Proctor/Hermantown 8
11/12/2015 New Prague 3 Rochester John Marshall/Lourde 2
11/12/2015 Faribault 5 Rochester Mayo 3
11/12/2015 Woodbury 2 Simley 4
11/12/2015 Benilde-St. Margaret's 0 St. Paul United 3
11/12/2015 Bemidji 2 Thief River Falls 4
11/12/2015 Burnsville 3 North/Tartan 1
11/12/2015 Cambridge-Isanti 6 St. Paul Blades 4
11/13/2015 Fort Frances (Ontario) 3 Duluth Marshall 2
11/13/2015 Hopkins 4 Duluth 5
11/13/2015 Cretin-Derham Hall 0 Edina 3
11/13/2015 Marshall 0 Hutchinson 6
11/13/2015 Roseau 1 Minnetonka 6
11/13/2015 North Wright County 2 Moorhead 2
11/13/2015 Princeton 7 Northern Lakes 1
11/13/2015 Blake 5 Lakeville North 1
11/13/2015 River Lakes 1 Brainerd/Little Falls 4
11/13/2015 Willmar 2 Fergus Falls 7
11/13/2015 Alexandria 2 Sartell/Sauk Rapids 1
11/13/2015 Orono 2 Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 0
11/13/2015 Roseville 1 Grand Rapids/Greenway 2
11/13/2015 Irondale 5 Hibbing/Chisholm 2
11/13/2015 Warroad 4 Mahtomedi 3
11/13/2015 Hastings 4 East Grand Forks 1
11/14/2015 Fort Frances (Ontario) 3 Duluth Marshall 4
11/14/2015 Morris/Benson 0 Luverne 12
11/14/2015 Hopkins 5 Proctor/Hermantown 4
11/14/2015 Warroad 2 Minnetonka 4
11/14/2015 Faribault 2 New Ulm 2
11/14/2015 Albert Lea 3 Winona 2
11/14/2015 Orono 1 Duluth 3
11/14/2015 Park of Cottage Grove 0 Apple Valley 2
11/14/2015 Irondale 1 Grand Rapids/Greenway 4
11/14/2015 Waseca 5 Minnehaha United 4
11/14/2015 Chisago Lakes 1 Moose Lake-Willow River 4
11/14/2015 Eveleth-Gilbert 4 Park Rapids 3
11/14/2015 Eden Prairie 1 Hill-Murray 4
11/14/2015 Maple Grove 1 Anoka 1
11/14/2015 Wayzata 3 Benilde-St. Margaret's 1
11/14/2015 Breck 3 Centennial 2
11/14/2015 Roseville 3 Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 0
11/14/2015 Stillwater 0 Dodge County 3
11/14/2015 Rochester John Marshall/Lourde 1 Eagan 4
11/14/2015 Totino-Grace 1 Elk River/Zimmerman 7
11/14/2015 Holy Angels 4 Mound Westonka 3
11/14/2015 New Prague 1 Shakopee 3
11/14/2015 Spring Lake Park/Coon Rapids 5 Champlin Park 4
11/14/2015 Northfield 1 North/Tartan 2
11/14/2015 Roseau 2 River Lakes 0
11/14/2015 Princeton 1 Brainerd/Little Falls 4
11/14/2015 Moorhead 0 White Bear Lake 8
11/14/2015 East Grand Forks 6 Detroit Lakes 0
11/14/2015 North Metro 0 Blaine 11
11/14/2015 St. Paul United 7 South St Paul 1
11/14/2015 Bloomington Jefferson 6 Owatonna 3
11/14/2015 Crookston 5 Fergus Falls 6
11/14/2015 Chaska/Chanhassen 1 Blake 5
11/14/2015 East Ridge 8 Woodbury 0
11/14/2015 Robbinsdale Armstrong/Cooper 3 Rochester Mayo 2
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11/15 11A - 1st MGHCA (13)

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Most Recent Ranking Links:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151115.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151115.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151115.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151115.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151115.htm
==========================================
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Post by MNHockeyFan »

Brian, thanks for doing this again.

I see what you mean when you say, "KRACH needs more data (games) to be of value". I looked at Class AA and see that Duluth is on top, just ahead of Hill-Murray. No disrespect to Duluth, but I think most would venture to guess that that will not last too long.
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Post by ghshockeyfan »

MNHockeyFan wrote:Brian, thanks for doing this again.

I see what you mean when you say, "KRACH needs more data (games) to be of value". I looked at Class AA and see that Duluth is on top, just ahead of Hill-Murray. No disrespect to Duluth, but I think most would venture to guess that that will not last too long.
Looks like there was a lot of change - as expected - in just a week. Still too early, but it'll be interesting to see how the KRACH and LPH converge it seems and where they'll ultimately differ at year-end.
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
==========================================
OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151122.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151122.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151122.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151122.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151122.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151129.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151129.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151129.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151129.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151129.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151206.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151206.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151206.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151206.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151206.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151213.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151213.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151213.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151213.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151213.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151220.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151220.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151220.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151220.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151220.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20151227.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20151227.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20151227.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20151227.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20151227.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160103.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160103.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160103.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160103.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160103.htm
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Post by MNHockeyFan »

ghshockeyfan wrote:Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160103.htm
It would be interesting to know if Blake would have surpassed Hill-Murray had they (officially) won on Saturday. They would both have one loss, plus Blake's schedule (SOS) has been a little tougher.
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Post by nu2hockey »

MNHockeyFan wrote:
ghshockeyfan wrote:Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160103.htm
It would be interesting to know if Blake would have surpassed Hill-Murray had they (officially) won on Saturday. They would both have one loss, plus Blake's schedule (SOS) has been a little tougher.
They would be 1-1 against each other plus Blake would have a tie.
If their SOS's were further apart, it might make up the difference.
Without that I don't think they would...but it is an interesting thought
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Post by allhoc11 »

it's always interesting to see how things change over time, and see rankings once more data is available.

While I generally like Krach, I feel and have always felt that SOS is not weighted as highly as it should be. With a system like this it is better to play a soft schedule and rack up wins rather than lose to top end teams.
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Krach compared to QRF...

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Krach and QRF. Confused by the differences...anyone have any thoughts?

Krach top 10 (1/3):

1. Hill
2. Blake
3. Breck
4. Edina
5. Minnetonka
6. Maple Grove
7. Blaine
8. St Paul United
9. Elk River/Zimmerman
10. Eden Prairie
11. Chaska/Chanhassen
12. Warroad
13. Cretin-Derham Hall
14. Wayzata
15. Lakeville South
16. Centennial

QRF top 10 (1/2):

1. Edina
2. Breck
3. Minnetonka
4. Hill-Murray
5. Maple Grove
6. Spring Lake Park/Coon Rapids
7. Elk River/Zimmerman
8. Blaine
9. Blake
10. Wayzata
11. Chaska/Chanhassen
12. Cretin-Derham Hall
13. Eden Prairie
14. Eagan
15. Grand Rapids/Greenway
16. St Paul United
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Re: Krach compared to QRF...

Post by allhoc11 »

massalsa wrote:Krach and QRF. Confused by the differences...anyone have any thoughts?
Scratching my head over QRF, doesn't seem to make any sense on rankings of more than a few teams.
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http://www.minnesota-scores.net/qrf.php
QRF Explained

<9/1/11 UDPATE>: - a new QRF was created for the 2011-12 school year that does not include Margin of Victory/Defeat. It also includes out of state games in Football ONLY. Everything else listed below is the same. For more information, check out this blog.

http://minnesota-scores.blogspot.com/20 ... l.html?m=1


Thursday, September 1, 2011
QRF explained in detail
I'm getting a lot of feedback wondering how to explain the new QRF and how it is different than the previous formulas. Here is the basic answer

Old formulas used to be:
Predetermined value (based on opponent class) / number of games played

New QRF is:
Predetermined value (based on opponent class) * number of opponent wins / number of games played

That's it. The old QRF that incorporated margin of victory added another parameter, but that is all.

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The Quality Results Formula (QRF) was created to try and rank teams from different parts of the state. I won't go into specific detail about the formula, but can give you an idea of how it works.

Each game is given an individual QRF (iQRF) based three things (listed in order of importance)
Win or Loss
Opponent wins
Class differential between the teams
Logically, the more wins an opponent has, the higher your opponents Class is, and the more you win by the higher your iQRF is for that game.

When all of a team's iQRF's are added together and divided by the number of MN games played, you come up with a team's QRF.
*Only MN vs. MN games count.

This number is then compared to other teams in the state to come up with an overall ranking. The QRF ranking should only be used to compare teams within the same Class. Cross-Class comparisons are not comparing apples to apples.
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Post by nu2hockey »

For a multi-class system like football QRF may be somewhat valid. In a 2 class system like hockey, it does not appear so.

Remember, any parameters used are still subjective in that they are chosen by someone for their formula as a ways to compare teams and therefore rank them. The idea is to find a ranking that closely demonstrates what competition would determine to some degree of accuracy.

Now that teams have played 14-18 games out of 25, KRACH usually seems very close where QRF appears off.
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nu2hockey wrote:For a multi-class system like football QRF may be somewhat valid. In a 2 class system like hockey, it does not appear so.

Remember, any parameters used are still subjective in that they are chosen by someone for their formula as a ways to compare teams and therefore rank them. The idea is to find a ranking that closely demonstrates what competition would determine to some degree of accuracy.

Now that teams have played 14-18 games out of 25, KRACH usually seems very close where QRF appears off.
Agreed. I don't know for certain if it's entirely responsible for the difference, but the class consideration is apparently at least a difference between qrf and krach algorithms/calculations/rankings
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160110.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160110.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160110.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160110.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160110.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160117.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160117.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160117.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160117.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160117.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160124.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160124.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160124.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160124.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160124.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160131.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160131.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160131.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160131.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160131.htm
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Most Recent Ranking Links:
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OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20160205.htm
CLASS AA:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20160205.htm
CLASS A:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_A_20160205.htm
SECTION:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20160205.htm
SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS_20160205.htm
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