Select 16/17 process and evaluation

[Papabear]

Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?

[BP]

The best 54 hockey players that play both ends of the rink.

[kniven]

Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?

And to the highest bidder, more of a chance to slide in on the roster. boy a and boy b pretty much equal goes the boy onto the roster with more money and influence from his family........

[zamboniexhaustinhaler]

The best 54 hockey players that play both ends of the rink.

And sometimes, they don't even have to be there that weekend.

It is what it is though.

[Papabear]

Just a little surprised by some of the names that were and weren't on the list. Who evaluates? And who appoints them?

[elliott70]

Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?

And to the highest bidder, more of a chance to slide in on the roster. boy a and boy b pretty much equal goes the boy onto the roster with more money and influence from his family........

This is not true.

[elliott70]

The best 54 hockey players that play both ends of the rink.

And sometimes, they don't even have to be there that weekend.

It is what it is though.

This is USAH doings.
They want certain players advancing and they move them up - it is their program.
And you would be hard pressed to argue against those player.s

[BP]

Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?

And to the highest bidder, more of a chance to slide in on the roster. boy a and boy b pretty much equal goes the boy onto the roster with more money and influence from his family........

So people with more money.....do they have to turn in W2's when they sign-up? Then the evaluators put up the family income and pick the the 54 kids? C'mon - It's not a conspiracy to the outstate players.

[Wet Paint]

Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?

It all starts with advertising Little Johnny. When he is a Mite you start the process. You and your buddies get together and coach a team with your kids on it. Year after year those kids stay together and if you are adept at it you can get them onto the top teams. You set an expectation for being good in the minds of the local association. Whether they are the best at their age or not does not matter. You push, pull, get onto the board, get your buddy onto the board with the understanding that if he gets them onto the top youth hockey team you as a baseball coach will get his kid onto the travelling baseball teams and he will play. You spend time hanging out and talking up your kids. You say things like "that kid has been on the best teams all the way up through the ranks", "he has always been a top kid at Association X", stuff like that.

Then step 2 is the summer programs. You get your kids and the other local kids who's parents are following the same process together and form a local AAA team made up of all of the little stars from the teams. You have to carefully select and market those kids and take them to a couple of tournaments over the summer. You team name of course is the "South Eastern All Stars" or something catchy like that. A carefully selected name that implies that this group of kids are the tops in your local area. At those summer tourneys (the ones in the cities are best because the guys who do the evaluations for those 15s and 16s type teams are all there) you make contact with the people (the same ones every year pretty much) who select these teams to make sure that your kid's name is known. Make sure that you buy all of the tourney jackets, sweatshirts and etc with your little star's name on it. You need that name seen as much as you can so it sticks in the back of the mind of the evaluator. You need him to think to himself down the road "I have heard that kid's name before, he must be good" to enhance your chances.

Remember though that it all starts at home, no matter how good your kid is or is not if he does not get nominated by the local coaches he is not going to be noticed. You need to make sure that you have a buddy on the board who can be there for the team tryouts to "answer any questions" that the "neutral outside evaluators" might have. THis guy also checks to make sure that all of the names were spelled right and that no other obvious mistakes were made during the selection process for the AA or A teams. You have to start the process early. If you leave this to chance in hopes that they actually pick the best kids for the top teams you will run into trouble with all of the parents who have gone through the process to ensure that their Little Johnny has a spot. It is tough to take away one of the spot that their little guy deserves to have. This process will get easier with Little Johnny's siblings since you will be able to swagger around the arena saying things like "Little Billy reminds me of his older brother Little Johnny at this age", "My other kid Little Johnny came up through this association and moved on (be vague about how far he moved onto if he did nto live up to your hype) and it looks like Little Billy is on track to be even better". Absolutely you have to go to board meetings and praise the board for how good they are doing. Catch up to them in the arena and publicly praise them for how good things are looking.

Following these simple steps will help to ensure that when the time comes for your little star to get noticed he will have the proper resume to be noticed.

Hope it helps, good luck in your quest to have the best known kid from your area at the tryouts.

[WCHBlog]

Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?

And to the highest bidder, more of a chance to slide in on the roster. boy a and boy b pretty much equal goes the boy onto the roster with more money and influence from his family........

That must be why they ask for your bank account number on the application form.

Even if you want to believe whatever conspiracy theories about the evaluators at these things, there were dozens of junior, D-1, and NHL scouts there last weekend and I promise you their primary objective is to keep their job. If a kid was really good enough, he'll get a call.

[Wet Paint]

Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?

And to the highest bidder, more of a chance to slide in on the roster. boy a and boy b pretty much equal goes the boy onto the roster with more money and influence from his family........

That must be why they ask for your bank account number on the application form.

Even if you want to believe whatever conspiracy theories about the evaluators at these things, there were dozens of junior, D-1, and NHL scouts there last weekend and I promise you their primary objective is to keep their job. If a kid was really good enough, he'll get a call.

Assuming that he was deemed good enough to be at the tryouts in the first place. No matter how good he is if he is not connected enough to get there in the first place he won't get looked at. If you really want your kid to get noticed if he is not one of the Association's chosen few you need to send him to play AAA instead of high school hockey. Get him into an environment where winning and losing matters so if he is the best he will get ice time. Those teams are always scouting and trading kids around so if your kid is good he will get picked up and moved up.

[Tripod]

And to the highest bidder, more of a chance to slide in on the roster. boy a and boy b pretty much equal goes the boy onto the roster with more money and influence from his family........

That must be why they ask for your bank account number on the application form.

Even if you want to believe whatever conspiracy theories about the evaluators at these things, there were dozens of junior, D-1, and NHL scouts there last weekend and I promise you their primary objective is to keep their job. If a kid was really good enough, he'll get a call.

Assuming that he was deemed good enough to be at the tryouts in the first place. No matter how good he is if he is not connected enough to get there in the first place he won't get looked at. If you really want your kid to get noticed if he is not one of the Association's chosen few you need to send him to play AAA instead of high school hockey. Get him into an environment where winning and losing matters so if he is the best he will get ice time. Those teams are always scouting and trading kids around so if your kid is good he will get picked up and moved up.

I would have to agree, that I have seen this happen - my kid wasn't that particular yob, but it happens. So many good things about the Minnesota Model (community/association hockey), but there is a downside, and that is some players do not get "in". And the players that are "in" in squirts are in lots of cases "in" all the way through. The correction would be to loosen the waiver rules to allow to play in neighboring associations.

[zamboniexhaustinhaler]

The best 54 hockey players that play both ends of the rink.

And sometimes, they don't even have to be there that weekend.

It is what it is though.

This is USAH doings.
They want certain players advancing and they move them up - it is their program.
And you would be hard pressed to argue against those player.s

I know. Hence the "It is what it is though" statement.

Personally, I've always thought it was not much more than a money raiser.

[Shortshift]

Every year this same topic comes up. How bout we break this down the best we can? Let's just use numbers to answer these questions, no names please!

This is just for 16's and 17's... Please answer 16-X 17-X.

1. How many players made the final 54 roster that were not at the spring festival?

2. How many players made the Final 54 roster that you feel is just plain wrong?

3. How many players made the final 54 roster because of financial wealth?

4. How many players did not make the final 54 roster that should have?

5. How many players that made it past St. Cloud as 15's last year did not make the final 54 roster this year as a 16?

6. How many players that were on the final 54 roster as 16's last year did not make it as a 17 this year?

7. How many players made the final 54 roster because they played AAA hockey in the summer?


Again, Please do not use names! 3 opinion and 4 fact answers let's see the results.

[Papabear]

Did any players (again no names) under achieve and still make it based on their name and where they play?

[blueline8]

Please correct me if wrong but as I understand it, the section evaluation team selects the section team, and MN Hockey evaluation group selects the final 54?

[HSHockeyFan08]

[quote="Wet Paint"][quote="Papabear"]Happened upon the list of the 17's top 54. Just wondering what the process is and what the evaluators are looking for. Anyone know?[/quote]

It all starts with advertising Little Johnny. When he is a Mite you start the process. You and your buddies get together and coach a team with your kids on it. Year after year those kids stay together and if you are adept at it you can get them onto the top teams. You set an expectation for being good in the minds of the local association. Whether they are the best at their age or not does not matter. You push, pull, get onto the board, get your buddy onto the board with the understanding that if he gets them onto the top youth hockey team you as a baseball coach will get his kid onto the travelling baseball teams and he will play. You spend time hanging out and talking up your kids. You say things like "that kid has been on the best teams all the way up through the ranks", "he has always been a top kid at Association X", stuff like that.

Then step 2 is the summer programs. You get your kids and the other local kids who's parents are following the same process together and form a local AAA team made up of all of the little stars from the teams. You have to carefully select and market those kids and take them to a couple of tournaments over the summer. You team name of course is the "South Eastern All Stars" or something catchy like that. A carefully selected name that implies that this group of kids are the tops in your local area. At those summer tourneys (the ones in the cities are best because the guys who do the evaluations for those 15s and 16s type teams are all there) you make contact with the people (the same ones every year pretty much) who select these teams to make sure that your kid's name is known. Make sure that you buy all of the tourney jackets, sweatshirts and etc with your little star's name on it. You need that name seen as much as you can so it sticks in the back of the mind of the evaluator. You need him to think to himself down the road "I have heard that kid's name before, he must be good" to enhance your chances.

Remember though that it all starts at home, no matter how good your kid is or is not if he does not get nominated by the local coaches he is not going to be noticed. You need to make sure that you have a buddy on the board who can be there for the team tryouts to "answer any questions" that the "neutral outside evaluators" might have. THis guy also checks to make sure that all of the names were spelled right and that no other obvious mistakes were made during the selection process for the AA or A teams. You have to start the process early. If you leave this to chance in hopes that they actually pick the best kids for the top teams you will run into trouble with all of the parents who have gone through the process to ensure that their Little Johnny has a spot. It is tough to take away one of the spot that their little guy deserves to have. This process will get easier with Little Johnny's siblings since you will be able to swagger around the arena saying things like "Little Billy reminds me of his older brother Little Johnny at this age", "My other kid Little Johnny came up through this association and moved on (be vague about how far he moved onto if he did nto live up to your hype) and it looks like Little Billy is on track to be even better". Absolutely you have to go to board meetings and praise the board for how good they are doing. Catch up to them in the arena and publicly praise them for how good things are looking.

Following these simple steps will help to ensure that when the time comes for your little star to get noticed he will have the proper resume to be noticed.

Hope it helps, good luck in your quest to have the best known kid from your area at the tryouts.[/quote]

For the 16/17 evaluation process this isn't even close.